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14th September 2022, 22:37 | #2881 |
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OK, but the suggestion was that there is a climate of anti-intellectualism. If the best you can come up with is a personal attack on the person making their case, then it's likely we're not actually against intellectualism, but that we as a society lack intellect.
Are you in fact agreeing that there is an active "anti intellectual" agenda being pushed? Or are you just unintellectual?
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14th September 2022, 22:51 | #2882 | |
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However, there is an agenda, people with incentive and means to sow unreasonable doubt into our systems of knowledge, to question the legitimacy of institutions built on these systems without any legitimate basis. It's not a conspiracy, it's an aligning of values, where people notice what those with shared interests do and copy what they see as effective in maintaining those interests. I guess it's inevitable. Change is constant, these are always going to be some losing what they have in the churn, doing whatever they can to keep what they can.
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14th September 2022, 23:21 | #2883 |
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What personal attack??
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14th September 2022, 23:45 | #2885 |
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I'm thinking more material than allegorical. Like our leaky home saga, or things like the water in Flint, Michigan.
Shit don't keep going just cause we want. Once our sophisticated expertise starts to lapse, actual things break. Noticeably, unequivocally. Sure, you might be able to quibble over whether a particular bridge is safe or not, but once it's down, it's down.
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20th September 2022, 23:53 | #2886 |
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https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/he...latest-release
AUS has been sitting at steady ~16% excess deaths for the last 12 months. Is this what public health success looks like? If so, I think I can do a better job for me and my family. Vic government has made an adversary out of me for the rest of my days.
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21st September 2022, 07:33 | #2887 |
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Because I only scanned and looked at the pretty pictures.
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22nd September 2022, 03:46 | #2888 | |
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22nd September 2022, 11:35 | #2889 |
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22nd September 2022, 12:14 | #2890 |
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64 hours of vaccine manufacturer profits wasted. It's shocking. Instead of not feeding kids, that money could have not prevented transmission and infection. It could have not fixed the climate. It could have not helped reduce inflation. It could have gone toward not winning a war. Look at these leeches taking taxpayer money with nothing to show for it. That's certainly not the American way.
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22nd September 2022, 14:16 | #2893 |
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hah! Ahh yep, just like that WaPo animation of bouncing balls. It worked if you think it worked, sure. And maybe if we do it all over again we might reverse human climate change if you think that works too.
Now, how are we, as a society, going to get the excess death rate below 16%? No one with a podium seems to give a shit.
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22nd September 2022, 14:43 | #2894 |
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While it was really hard and painful, I mean fucking brutal, I still carry so many scars, I'm kinda glad I grew up in the hood.
I grew up adapted to not trusting. To having no real expectations of adults. I haven't had this shock that some people seem to go through where it seems obvious they've formerly enjoyed this coherent world where everything makes sense, the news tells you the truth, schools are run with kids in mind, everyone gets the help they deserve, problems are caused by bad people. And then they've had their bubble burst. And then they just stumble. You watch them try to gain equilibrium and they can't. They try and chase what they had before, try to find that trust they once have. Someone must be telling the truth! But none of us are. Not in that magical way some once believed. Only only say I'm kinda glad, cause it takes me a long time to fully process the information I'm receiving, which has some... challenging consequences. My shock was getting a job at the international airport as a kid and finding myself amongst adults that could communicate effectively and manage their emotions without acting them out. That was a great time.
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23rd September 2022, 06:51 | #2895 |
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A report card: Eight charts that show how New Zealand managed the pandemic
tl.dr "the sum total of our efforts during the pandemic were easily among the world’s most successful."
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23rd September 2022, 07:12 | #2896 |
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Public Interest Journalism Fund delivers.
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23rd September 2022, 07:56 | #2897 |
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You don't think that comparatively NZ managed the pandemic well?
Or is this just your default anti-intellectual dunning kruger go to?
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23rd September 2022, 09:17 | #2898 |
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Lockdowns, border closures etc did stuff all apparently..
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Lockdowns clearly work just by basic logic. A disease cannot transmit in a 100% lockdown - and the same goes for all other social measures. How well they work comes down to the percentage of society enacting the rules. It's obvious that in places like the USA there is a much bugger population percentage of mouth breathers that just didn't bother with any rules - and the same goes for many countries. NZ is a country reasonably amenable to authority. This is known. |
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It reads very much like a typical Kiwi "per capita" argument that explains that even though we didn't win the Olympics, we still "won" in our own Kiwi way. "Our deaths were sometimes the highest per million - but that's just because others were lower!" "Inflation is up... but it could be higher, so we'll ignore it" "Our lockdowns were the worst, which makes them the best" "We had the most cases per million at some points - that's what success looks like because look over here... I'm going to talk about vaccines and how many we gave out, so don't worry about the case numbers and how there doesn't seem to be a relation. The fact there is no relation is an A+ from me because imagine how bad it would be if we weren't vaccinated." No one needs to hear any of it, but Duncan feels a need to write it. It certainly doesn't paint the Government like maniacs that didn't listen, made stupid rules that didn't make sense, and killed a few people with mandates for a vaccine that in hindsight was unnecessary, and beat up those who tried to point out only old people needed the vaccine anyway. Forget about all that. Even though these are probably more important issues now that the pandemic is out of the way, the PIJF is just here to placate us. We'll congratulate ourselves, and move on to the next thing.
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23rd September 2022, 11:53 | #2901 |
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New Zealand has a steady excess death problem too (and every Western country that sucks WEF, Pfizer cock), so while every idiot was appreciative that scam science was presented as "basic logic" (If I don't see my granny, I can't make her sick!) the second order effect is society-wide hobbled immune systems and uptick in heart attacks and cancer.
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23rd September 2022, 12:07 | #2904 |
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more like "Why can't Mummy and Daddy let me wipe my own bum!" but yeah.
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23rd September 2022, 12:13 | #2905 |
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Yeah, that's it. You see yourself as a little person amongst big people making decisions for you.
That's not what's happening. I'd be fucking miserable if I thought that was the case.
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23rd September 2022, 12:23 | #2906 |
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Because you come across as such a positive and charming person otherwise.
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23rd September 2022, 12:28 | #2907 |
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They gave it a red hot go trying to wipe my bum for me. Trying to convince me my immune system is insufficient, that i'd be hospitalised. Lockdowns, masks, vaccinations. All mandated, and all have produced a net negative for society / humanity. Health and medicine (and police, government, media) is having a crisis of integrity and it doesn't cost me much to point it out from time to time.
And I'm thankful in a way. I live in a small town (food bowl) with no human feces on the footpaths. I've made meaningful connections with locals, I have land with no debt to banks, and I'm working towards being self-sufficient for food, water, energy. The rest of humanity can go woke and go to hell.
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23rd September 2022, 12:32 | #2908 |
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There's no "they" Nich, there's just us. If there's a crisis we're having it. But I think actually, it's mostly just you, right? You had faith in something and now you don't, and that's left you floundering. That's how it looks at least.
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23rd September 2022, 12:58 | #2909 |
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Something like that.
I had read Agenda 21 and all that shit, but didn't think it'd be put into action. Now when some group with money, power, influence says they're going to do something that sounds like eugenics, genocide, technocracy / fascism I'll respond as if that will become reality in 5-10 years. The best way to respond is to live in a backwater town with plenty of food, water, and energy. Wait for sanity to be restored.
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Giving up, running away is a response. It's not a solution, but at least you're doing something, right? I hear you saying that's what's best for you.
I'm helping a buddy of mine set up his own self-sufficient farm up north, partly in response to unhappiness with socio-economic circumstances, so I can't claim to be above anything. But there's no escaping, we're still in it. If fascism comes, it's coming for us too, so we're better off being involved. There's no "outside" of this. There's no "us and them" except where we create artificial distinctions.
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I disagree. I think Parallel Structures and Charter Cities IS the most effective form of protest. The message is "We reject the cathedral, we can survive and thrive without it's services, institutions, or currency.". The government will respond by being more competitive / attractive rather than authoritarian / oppressive, or it will respond with violence which means it automatically loses.
Traditional protest only serves to protect the status quo (unless the protest successfully occupies the presidential palace) As the Unabomber says in The Systems Neatest Trick: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/libr...-neatest-trick Quote:
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Right, so when you say fascism, you're not thinking the 1920s-30s with militias with machine guns and armoured cars shooting down those who stand against them?
You're thinking... what? Flouride in the water?
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23rd September 2022, 13:48 | #2913 |
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more Corporate Fascism, Corporatism, Stakeholder Capitalism et al and ultimately digital ID (https://www.eftposaustralia.com.au/p...ness/connectid) social credit system posing as "convenience".
I don't think anyone wants images of violence. The better solution is to have 2-4 approved social media hangouts that are happy to ban, shadowban, change context to decide what can be talked about (at the behest of government), and how we should talk about it. Don't assassinate, just make troublesome people invisible, digitally disabled. I've got little ones, I distill the drinking / cooking water.
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Ah, I get it. When you say fascism you mean government.
It looks like what happened was when the pandemic came, you discovered for the first time you are governed. That you have to conform yourself in some way for the sake of society. Before that everything seemed "normal", you were oblivious to the realities of government, how we're all conforming ourselves in one way or another. Some people dramatically so, else they'll fall into poverty, social isolation. Which many do. So having your privilege finally lapse, having to for the first time really conform yourself, you've convinced yourself this government must be the worst form of government: fascism.
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I maintain these fuckers have no idea which direction to nudge society. They just point in a direction, causing untold number of negative unplanned effects, then claim they "didn't see that coming!". Better to be seen as incompetent than purposely making the world worse. The cycle repeats, no one is sufficiently outraged to occupy the presidential palace (yet).
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23rd September 2022, 14:30 | #2918 |
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At least with fascism you have faces, names, and ideas towards which you can aim your opposition. What we have is incompetent fools who are more than happy being perceived as such then the algorithms, bureaucracy, apps, and social media does all the heavy lifting.
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With fascism you're either working a mass grave or you're in one.
Fucking hell man.
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