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Even worse than Fiordland, the West Coast has a low population spread out over a large area (the distance from Auckland to Wellington), so they have more roads than Fiordland, yet fare worse as the area covered is larger, IIRC.
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17th March 2009, 15:21 | #43 | |
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CCS - I was also wrong to single out Fiordland actually; looking at the above map they'd be covered by a 'Southland' regional tax.
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17th March 2009, 15:21 | #44 | |
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17th March 2009, 15:23 | #45 | |
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Your cocky attitude. BAH aucklanders. Toll roads are the way to go me thinks. |
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17th March 2009, 15:24 | #46 |
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You seem to conflating funding of all transport projects with this special regional tax which was meant to allow regional councils to set their own petrol taxes for special projects in their region.
By nationalising the tax this takes control of these projects away from regional government and back to central government. Based on the history of NZ transport funding I doubt that central government in Wellington is going to have the same concern about Auckland's transport network than the regional government in Auckland. |
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17th March 2009, 15:29 | #48 | |
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Inevitably there are some regions who will fall short or will always be limited by the money they can extract from the petrol tax. Although you could make a reasonable argument for how a regional petrol tax would work, I just don't think it's really feasible nor practical. Good on paper maybe, not so good in practice. I very much believe that all the petrol tax from around the country should go into a pool from which the country's roading and public transport needs can be met. The governement can choose to add money to this and there can be negotiation with councils to help fund local projects - which is, AFAIK how it's done at the moment. What I'm not certain about is what happens to the money from the petrol tax we're already paying. Where does that go?
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17th March 2009, 15:34 | #49 | |
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17th March 2009, 15:38 | #50 |
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So what does the government get out of funding the electric rail? shares? ticket price setting rights? I don't mind if government funds projects like this, but if all it is doing is benefitting private corporations with balant disregard for the consumer and the longterm impacts on New Zealand; then count me out.
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17th March 2009, 15:39 | #51 |
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Wouldn't it be a project for kiwirail, which the govt now owns?
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17th March 2009, 15:58 | #53 |
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Bad luck for them. I blame the economy. I still think it's a better and more fair system to have special projects funded on a case by case basis by the government and the local council concerned. Like I say, I'm on the North Shore, I get no benefit from an electrified rail in some other part of Auckland by I would still be subjected to the petrol tax increase of up to 9.5 cents. Why should I pay for someone elses railway?
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17th March 2009, 16:03 | #54 | |
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17th March 2009, 16:38 | #55 |
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I think a percent of each regions petrol tax should go to that regions roading. Lets say 75%.
The other 25% is pooled where is assigned as neccessary. If the West Coast needs more to for the roads then it goes there, if Auckland needs it, it goes there. What I would be interested in is that Auckland is 25-33% of NZs Population, what is the % of petrol tax comes from Auckland. Is the ratio the same, or is it bigger. Does Auckland actually produce 50% of the petrol tax? |
17th March 2009, 18:10 | #56 |
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From a personal level - I'm worried. Very worried.
From what I hear, they've just pulled funding that was going to (partly) build the Otago Institute of Design. This funding was confirmed by the last government, with all t's crossed and i's dotted. However - due to the current economic state, this new government has turned around and said, "Hang on a second, actually - what they others guys said, scratch that...we're gonna probably pull the plug on you". This has put both the Otago Polytech, and the Otago University into quite a bit of a state. As the site it was to be built on was purchased by the UoO, with the development of the institute to paid for partly by the OP (and the rest from government funding). This Design Institute was to be the largest and most comprehensive in Australasia (essentially - the 'go to' place for design in NZ). What this has resulted in, is wasted money (The UoO spent a fair bit of penny from what I understand on this site), wasted resources (planners, developers, time, energy which equates to wages and salary), and yet another building to become derelict in Dunedin (which currently sits on the site intended for the OIoD campus). What that means for designers (be it product, fashion, media, advertising, marketing...etc etc etc) is that they will be forced to look (as usual) overseas for jobs or study. This isn't creating business - it's devaluing it. And that's the "Key" word here (pun intended) - businesses are devalued under National. What I've seen so far is National seem more interested in (quiet feebly) softening the blow for those who have lost their jobs - or inevitably will. Rather than creating new jobs and business (unless your in Auckland, which you can then work building your frickin roads). We have a gaping wound, which National are trying to fix with a sticky plaster. There's more focus on pointing out the previous Governments foibles, because in actual fact, Key is going "WTF do we do guys??". I mean seriously, you can see it in his face. He really has no clue WTH is going on... "Hi, I'm John Key, leader of the National party - and I'm dead serious" "Now, relax, don't get yourselves all worked up over this here 'econamic erupshun'. Me 'n ol 'Billy Ing' will sort it out" Billy Ing: "Hey! How yoo doin'?" "Now, I know how to stimulate an economy - if you know what I mean" "Also, very recently - I took part in a staring match with the British PM.....ol' wassisname. I totally kicked his ass (secretly, I was trying really hard to kill him with my eye lasers)" "Heh...heh...heh....you guys totally look the same..." Last edited by Dusty : 17th March 2009 at 18:14. |
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17th March 2009, 19:25 | #58 |
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What I love is that this National government is surrounded by immense pressure to 'do something' about this economic crisis rather than adopting a laissez-faire approach which is probably their inclination. All the big players like the US, China, Germany and the UK are adopting a hands on Keynesian approach and so National is pretty much being forced to do the same. E.g. Key saying the government may have to bail out companies, and convening job summits with industry etc. Mwaha its like the government hasn't changed at all
In this kind of economic climate and because National wants to hold the centre ground I'm fairly confident there won't be any radical right wing policies in the next three years...yay. |
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17th March 2009, 20:09 | #60 |
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^^ the last 30 years of NZ economic policy says you are wrong.
despite our medias harping on about our left-wing, interventionist governments- the NZ economy is one of the most unregulated and non-protectionist structures in the world. the lies have been proudly brought to you by the same cockbites responsible for the "aussies pay less tax, and have better public service" crowd. dont believe the hype chap.
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17th March 2009, 20:34 | #62 |
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^^^ yeah-loved that one.
ahhh.. mr Key.. he's all things to all men.*flutter*
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17th March 2009, 20:52 | #63 | |
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17th March 2009, 21:07 | #64 |
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guy, im not interested in a standard NZG dictionary definition based argument.
i am saying that compared to other real world economys,successive govt's have left us with our arses hanging out on the world stage, to be fondled, pinched, or sold-depending on the pretty much unregulated whim of whomsoever has the hard currency to show an interest. is that ridiculous?
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17th March 2009, 21:14 | #65 |
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No, it isn't. It also doesn't contradict anything I said.
You seem to have read me saying National doesn't support laissez-faire economics as me saying "NZ companies get taxed way too much and our govenrment makes it hard to do business with us", and I have no idea how. Last edited by Torka : 17th March 2009 at 21:15. |
17th March 2009, 21:26 | #66 | ||
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17th March 2009, 21:36 | #67 | |
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and as i stated, that is not correct- we have in fact had a succession of liberal,free-market espousing administrations. for the last 30 years.
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17th March 2009, 21:37 | #68 | |
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17th March 2009, 21:39 | #69 |
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though i do appreciate that the Key administration are showing themselves to be keen advocates of corporate-welfare.
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Sorry if that's too "dictionary definition" for you dude, I just gave my opinion based on my understanding of what the term means. |
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17th March 2009, 21:59 | #71 |
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*shrug*
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17th March 2009, 22:08 | #72 |
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17th March 2009, 22:44 | #74 |
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Can the socialist unit go back to jerking eachother off in the elections 2008 forum, it's embarassing in open discussion.
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17th March 2009, 23:06 | #77 |
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Who do you think pays for your roads? The tooth fairy?
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I've obviously got a vested interest in this, but it's becoming quite clear that Nick Smith is selling bullshit, lies and propaganda to the DomPost, who are lapping it up for front page headlines because that'll sell papers, and the rest of the country's too asleep to realise what's being done to them. Of course, "ACC ARE ACTUALLY DOING QUITE WELL, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED" doesn't make for a very good headline. Also, given you know my boss and his irrational hatred of anything that isn't hard-right, you can imagine the field day he's been having ranting at me about ACC lately. Tempted to print these quotes as largely as I can and re-wallpaper the office...
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