National Thus Far - Page 12

Thomas Meatball · 30th July 2009, 12:26

Has child support from the father(s) of these children been factored in or does that make up part of the DPB allowance?

ZoSo · 30th July 2009, 12:26

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Originally Posted by chiquelet

Ok food for a family of 4 per week $200.
Car insurance $40 p/m = $9.24 p/w
Petrol $20 p/w
Wof/rego $6 p/w
Contents insurance $5 p/w

$200 on cd's

chiquelet · 30th July 2009, 12:29

Ok that woman in point is a bad example. But for every bad example there are dozens of similar women who are in genuine need and who aren't out there getting tacky hair extensions and spending their money on stupid shit. I know xor's rage was directed at said dumb bitch, but it has to be said that not all dpb mums are like that, and it's gotta be freaking hard to raise 3 kids on $700p/w.

guest · 30th July 2009, 12:32

It's also compulsory to make their ex-partner liable to pay child support while receiving a DPB etc. Depending on their ex-partners earning capacity, these beneficiary's could be receiving additional income (above their WINZ benefit) which is non taxable income (except for WFTT). Ching ching $$$

xor · 30th July 2009, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Ok food for a family of 4 per week $200.
Car insurance $40 p/m = $9.24 p/w
Petrol $20 p/w
Wof/rego $6 p/w
Contents insurance $5 p/w

So you said she had $1,334.00 p/m left over. x 12/52 = $261.69 p/w left over. Wow, she now has $21 left over per week! And I haven't even counted in school stuff for the kids. And what if the kids get sick? Or what if? What if?

Insurance? car? petrol?
Thems the breaks if you're unemployed and have to look after children. There's public transport out there. A car is a luxury that a lot of people can't afford. Those numbers come to $1728 to run a car for 1yr. Why should the tax payer pay for that when the beneficiary can catch a bus? Bus companies are subsidised by the government so it would make sense that they endorse the use of them right?
Shit my grandparents didn't even buy a car until my mother was 17. You ramble off these numbers like it's everyones right to 'have' a car.
Where would a single mum with 3 kids be going anyway? As you said it's a fucken hard job looking after them, so she could walk them to school and back.
i absolutely agree with you if the kids get sick. But is the state meant to give money to people 'just in case shit happens'?
As for kids getting sick. I think it's about $15 with your registered doctor and if you have a community services card.

chiquelet · 30th July 2009, 12:47

Dude you are meeeeean. Now I'm very conservative in some respects, and very liberal in others. Dumb bitches who get knocked up when they're not in a relationship (or aren't in a serious one) should get next to nothing. Marriage ftw. But a lot of women will get married, have planned kids with their husbands, and then the husband has a mid-life crisis and walks out. It happens. The mum is left high and dry with 3 kids to care for and no income. In cases like that they need that money. For a lot of people it's not a lifestyle choice, it's a necessity. And don't tell me that somebody with 3 young kids can just go out and work. They can't. Thank Christ you're not writing policy.

fixed_truth · 30th July 2009, 12:54

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Originally Posted by xor

Where would a single mum with 3 kids be going anyway? As you said it's a fucken hard job looking after them, so she could walk them to school and back

I thought this part was the funniest

xor · 30th July 2009, 13:00

I know it happens. I've seen it happen. I've also seen the support a single mother gets from her whanau/friends. I see the unemployed linger around Mangere town centre buying booze and cigarettes. Go to Otara and see all the houses that have sky satellite and 4x4 cars outside. Go to Otara town centre and see the unemployed gamble their dole money away on the nasty little pokie machines there while their kids roam around outside in bare feet.
I object to your comments about a single unemployed mother being entitled to a car. Sure if this was Denmark or Norway it wouldn't be much of a problem seeing as they're highly developed nations. But this country is in a recession as cyc says. We even have to send cancer patients to Australia because NZ doesn't have the money to set up proper facilities. Aren't you embarrassed by that?

chiquelet · 30th July 2009, 13:11

I absolutely stand by the car comment. How on earth somebody with one, let alone three kids can survive without a car is beyond me. If you're living in town (walking distance to supermarket, schools, doctor etc) then fine, bye bye car, but if you're in a 'burbs then I'm sorry but the car is a must.

And I hear you about the satellite dishes etc. I live in Porirua. Hell, I'm looking out my window at Waitangirua and Cannons Creek, two of the poorest suburbs in the country. I've always marveled to Acid at the cars people in state houses seem to be able to afford. But rich or poor there will always be waste. Damn, a friend of my mum's husband was earning 15k per month AFTER rent (work provided them with a house which they paid a small rent for), yet they had so much debt that they were living week to week, power bills were being unpaid, credit cards were maxed out to survive etc. Extreme example I know, but hey.

xor · 30th July 2009, 13:18

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Originally Posted by chiquelet

I absolutely stand by the car comment. How on earth somebody with one, let alone three kids can survive without a car is beyond me

I wonder how people got on before cars were invented?
You mean they had to carry their groceries from the supermarket to the bus stop? oh noes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiquelet

If you're living in town (walking distance to supermarket, schools, doctor etc) then fine, bye bye car, but if you're in a 'burbs then I'm sorry but the car is a must.

really? Don't buses go to the burbs where you are?
Shit and I thought Mangere was dodgy. Why can't a solo mum catch a bus? Who is meant to catch a bus if the unemployed refuse to? What's the point in the government subsidising the bus services if even the unemployed won't use them?

Saladin · 30th July 2009, 13:21

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Originally Posted by xor

I wonder how people got on before cars were invented?

xor · 30th July 2009, 13:23

I was thinking walking...
Horses were rich fullas BMW's yo

BoyWonder · 30th July 2009, 13:31

They could always saddle up their rottweilers. Yeehaw :P

xor · 30th July 2009, 13:33

They eat them for the extra protein because they don't get enough money from the government brah :/

Macca@Work · 30th July 2009, 13:52

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Originally Posted by chiquelet

Ok that woman in point is a bad example. But for every bad example there are dozens of similar women who are in genuine need and who aren't out there getting tacky hair extensions and spending their money on stupid shit. I know xor's rage was directed at said dumb bitch, but it has to be said that not all dpb mums are like that, and it's gotta be freaking hard to raise 3 kids on $700p/w.

Yes there are geniune needs,but that is now a minority.Freeking hard on $700 per week? Bullshit Hou..uh State housing?Like that is suddenly charging market rates for rent?
'Fuh bo..soon as I get my dpb im off to da liquorland then the tinny shop"

xor · 30th July 2009, 13:54

got_10 bro?

Ab · 30th July 2009, 13:58

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The single mother who is taking Paula Bennett to the Privacy Commission for releasing her income details has had her income disclosed publicly before - by Labour in 2007

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...587498&ref=rss

Oh dear.

Mokoro · 30th July 2009, 14:02

Tui billboard should read:
"My welfare money goes straight to the kids - Yeah right"

xor · 30th July 2009, 14:06

Wow I can't believe how badly this has blown up in Labours face. Yet Annette King is still trying to retort against it all. FUCKING OWNED.

Whiplash · 30th July 2009, 14:21

This is delivering more than the pic of the day thread.

BadNova · 30th July 2009, 14:34

Where's Draco gone?

Trigga*happY · 30th July 2009, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by xor

I wonder how people got on before cars were invented?
You mean they had to carry their groceries from the supermarket to the bus stop? oh noes!

Typically there wasn't far to walk. Houses were built up around town centres. It's only since the car has become so commonplace that we have started to suffer from suburban sprawl.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xor

really? Don't buses go to the burbs where you are?
Shit and I thought Mangere was dodgy. Why can't a solo mum catch a bus? Who is meant to catch a bus if the unemployed refuse to? What's the point in the government subsidising the bus services if even the unemployed won't use them

Yes really... I live in stillwater, where there are two buses in the morning and two buses in the afternoon. They're called school buses, and adults aren't allowed to travel on them.

Not taking sides, just pointing out two little problems with your argument.

Macca@Work · 30th July 2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by BadNova

Where's Draco gone?

The Communist lifestyle block he is living on is still debating the value to the collective whole of having internet which is owned by imperialistic companies.

Ab · 30th July 2009, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNova

Where's Draco gone?

spoken like a true NACT apologist!

xor · 30th July 2009, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigga*happY

Typically there wasn't far to walk. Houses were built up around town centres. It's only since the car has become so commonplace that we have started to suffer from suburban sprawl.

Yes really... I live in stillwater, where there are two buses in the morning and two buses in the afternoon. They're called school buses, and adults aren't allowed to travel on them.

Not taking sides, just pointing out two little problems with your argument.

Then you should be live in an area where you can catch a bus. Just pointing to a solution that is cost effective and works!

Trigga*happY · 30th July 2009, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by xor

Then you should be live in an area where you can catch a bus. Just pointing to a solution that is cost effective and works!

But if a husband up and walked out on his wife, the wife may not be financially capable of picking up and moving to an area that is bus friendly.

Besides, using your math - at approx $1800 per year for the running costs of a car, or $34 per week, you would probably pay more than that in rent if you were to move closer to a town centre.

Solvent · 30th July 2009, 17:48

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Originally Posted by chiquelet

I've always marveled to Acid at the cars people in state houses seem to be able to afford.

Not that I disagree with your main points but gauging the amount of upmarket cars outside 'state' houses isn't always accurate. After many were sold in the 1990s a lot of those state houses aren't really state houses, they're either privately owned or tenanted.

xor · 30th July 2009, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigga*happY

But if a husband up and walked out on his wife, the wife may not be financially capable of picking up and moving to an area that is bus friendly.

The government helps people move from different state houses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigga*happY

Besides, using your math - at approx $1800 per year for the running costs of a car, or $34 per week, you would probably pay more than that in rent if you were to move closer to a town centre.

Who said anything about moving into town? Mangere town centre is cheap as nigga! and there's buses going past there every 10min.

cyc · 30th July 2009, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Dumb bitches who get knocked up when they're not in a relationship (or aren't in a serious one) should get next to nothing. Marriage ftw. But a lot of women will get married, have planned kids with their husbands, and then the husband has a mid-life crisis and walks out. It happens. The mum is left high and dry with 3 kids to care for and no income. In cases like that they need that money. For a lot of people it's not a lifestyle choice, it's a necessity. And don't tell me that somebody with 3 young kids can just go out and work. They can't. Thank Christ you're not writing policy.

Yeah cos it's all about the woman. "Hi I am married so I will go and be all righteous about it!". Let's just neglect the kid of this dumb woman and let the kid turn into a criminal. Because that's so smart.

I wonder what you'll be saying when said future criminal bludgeons your kid to death. Clamour for "life means life"?*

* For the over sensitive, this is just a rhetorical question. I am not wishing this on her daughter.

xor · 30th July 2009, 18:57

She was using women as an example.

You really don't like people generalising do you?

Thomas Meatball · 30th July 2009, 18:58

Wat just happened here?

ZoSo · 30th July 2009, 18:59

I see Ab found Draco

A nice jab from English today re "public service surprise".
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00346.htm

doppelgänger of someone · 30th July 2009, 19:10

Wait, the economy is in the shitter and all people care about is some alleged dole bludger?

chiquelet · 30th July 2009, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyc

Yeah cos it's all about the woman. "Hi I am married so I will go and be all righteous about it!"

I'm surprised nobody bit sooner. Poor form nzgames, poor form.

To clarify - I'm all for the welfare state. I'm also for individual responsibility. Getting knocked up without being in a stable relationship (married or defacto) and not being in the position to afford a child (perhaps both are unemployed) is not responsible. There just ought to be disincentives for people to have kids when they're not in a position to raise them.

Bring back the good old days when women without means were forced to give up their kids for adoption by their families.

Dusty · 30th July 2009, 19:21

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Originally Posted by chiquelet

Bring back the good old days when women without means were forced to give up their kids for adoption by their families.

Yeeehhh........no.

chiquelet · 30th July 2009, 19:25

How about making sex ed compulsory at all schools from years 9-13? But teaching kids how to effectively prevent pregnancy is far too liberal for most.

fixed_truth · 30th July 2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by doppelgänger of someone

Wait, the economy is in the shitter and all people care about is some alleged dole bludger?

Haven't you heard? The economy is in the shitter because of the dole men.

_Incubus_ · 30th July 2009, 20:29

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Originally Posted by chiquelet

How about making sex ed compulsory at all schools from years 9-13? But teaching kids how to effectively prevent pregnancy is far too liberal for most.

In my police state the solution would be putting a contraceptive in the water and you only get the antidote once you have passed some form of child care license and have passed a means test.

chiquelet · 30th July 2009, 20:31

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Originally Posted by _Incubus_

My solution would be putting a contraceptive in the water and you only get the antidote once you have passed some form of child care license and have passed a means test.

There is a major flaw in your plan. The "breeders", the great unwashed, they don't drink water. They drink Coke! Contraceptives in the Coke?

zeekiorage · 30th July 2009, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiquelet

There is a major flaw in your plan. The "breeders", the great unwashed, they don't drink water. They drink Coke! Contraceptives in the Coke?

I thought Coke was supposed to make you sterile. Maybe they aren't drinking enough because they don't have enough money. How about free Coke for these people?

30th July 2009, 12:26	#441
Thomas Meatball	Has child support from the father(s) of these children been factored in or does that make up part of the DPB allowance?

30th July 2009, 12:29	#443
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	Ok that woman in point is a bad example. But for every bad example there are dozens of similar women who are in genuine need and who aren't out there getting tacky hair extensions and spending their money on stupid shit. I know xor's rage was directed at said dumb bitch, but it has to be said that not all dpb mums are like that, and it's gotta be freaking hard to raise 3 kids on $700p/w.

30th July 2009, 12:32	#444
guest	It's also compulsory to make their ex-partner liable to pay child support while receiving a DPB etc. Depending on their ex-partners earning capacity, these beneficiary's could be receiving additional income (above their WINZ benefit) which is non taxable income (except for WFTT). Ching ching $$$ __________________ o_O

30th July 2009, 12:47	#446
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	Dude you are meeeeean. Now I'm very conservative in some respects, and very liberal in others. Dumb bitches who get knocked up when they're not in a relationship (or aren't in a serious one) should get next to nothing. Marriage ftw. But a lot of women will get married, have planned kids with their husbands, and then the husband has a mid-life crisis and walks out. It happens. The mum is left high and dry with 3 kids to care for and no income. In cases like that they need that money. For a lot of people it's not a lifestyle choice, it's a necessity. And don't tell me that somebody with 3 young kids can just go out and work. They can't. Thank Christ you're not writing policy.

30th July 2009, 13:00	#448
xor	I know it happens. I've seen it happen. I've also seen the support a single mother gets from her whanau/friends. I see the unemployed linger around Mangere town centre buying booze and cigarettes. Go to Otara and see all the houses that have sky satellite and 4x4 cars outside. Go to Otara town centre and see the unemployed gamble their dole money away on the nasty little pokie machines there while their kids roam around outside in bare feet. I object to your comments about a single unemployed mother being entitled to a car. Sure if this was Denmark or Norway it wouldn't be much of a problem seeing as they're highly developed nations. But this country is in a recession as cyc says. We even have to send cancer patients to Australia because NZ doesn't have the money to set up proper facilities. Aren't you embarrassed by that?

30th July 2009, 13:11	#449
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	I absolutely stand by the car comment. How on earth somebody with one, let alone three kids can survive without a car is beyond me. If you're living in town (walking distance to supermarket, schools, doctor etc) then fine, bye bye car, but if you're in a 'burbs then I'm sorry but the car is a must. And I hear you about the satellite dishes etc. I live in Porirua. Hell, I'm looking out my window at Waitangirua and Cannons Creek, two of the poorest suburbs in the country. I've always marveled to Acid at the cars people in state houses seem to be able to afford. But rich or poor there will always be waste. Damn, a friend of my mum's husband was earning 15k per month AFTER rent (work provided them with a house which they paid a small rent for), yet they had so much debt that they were living week to week, power bills were being unpaid, credit cards were maxed out to survive etc. Extreme example I know, but hey.

30th July 2009, 13:23	#452
xor	I was thinking walking... Horses were rich fullas BMW's yo

30th July 2009, 13:31	#453
BoyWonder	They could always saddle up their rottweilers. Yeehaw :P

30th July 2009, 13:33	#454
xor	They eat them for the extra protein because they don't get enough money from the government brah :/

30th July 2009, 14:02	#458
Mokoro	Tui billboard should read: "My welfare money goes straight to the kids - Yeah right"

30th July 2009, 14:06	#459
xor	Wow I can't believe how badly this has blown up in Labours face. Yet Annette King is still trying to retort against it all. FUCKING OWNED.

30th July 2009, 14:21	#460
Whiplash Bobo Fettish	This is delivering more than the pic of the day thread.

30th July 2009, 18:57	#470
xor	She was using women as an example. You really don't like people generalising do you?

30th July 2009, 18:58	#471
Thomas Meatball	Wat just happened here?

30th July 2009, 18:59	#472
ZoSo	I see Ab found Draco A nice jab from English today re "public service surprise". http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00346.htm Last edited by ZoSo : 30th July 2009 at 19:01.

30th July 2009, 19:10	#473
doppelgänger of someone	Wait, the economy is in the shitter and all people care about is some alleged dole bludger?

30th July 2009, 19:25	#476
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	How about making sex ed compulsory at all schools from years 9-13? But teaching kids how to effectively prevent pregnancy is far too liberal for most.