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Old 20th April 2013, 02:12     #37561
Golden Teapot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by madmaxii
They look fantastic. Let's know how they go.
Absolutely amazing - state changing really; like seeing an iPhone for the first time. All except my green one broken down after an hour or so... I had read the green ones had reliability issues. I've decided to take the gamble the blue ones work properly - the guy claims it has been stress tested.

I've disassembled the unit and it seems to me that it's the laser itself that is gone burger. So got it today, wowed today, put in the bin today - sad really.

The amazing thing is that four hundred green laser spots coming from less than 0.4 watts of power lit up my daughter's bedroom almost well enough to be able to read a book i.e. it was very easy to see in the room. I was thinking it might be too bright to be used as a night light. Eyes are particularly sensitive to green though so perhaps this is not so surprising.
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Old 20th April 2013, 07:36     #37562
Golden Teapot
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Interestingly this morning I wake to an email from the manufacture saying "Teapot give me an address in NZ and I'll ship you a new unit". That's five stars for service from me.
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Old 21st April 2013, 15:47     #37563
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Where did you get it from?
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Old 21st April 2013, 22:48     #37564
MadMax
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/di...c-with-IT-goal

This

Would love to see schools develop classes for kids that want to take a specific career path.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 08:19     #37565
aR Que
 
yea, just what we need. more IT Fuckos.

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Old 22nd April 2013, 09:08     #37566
Cyberbob
 
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Originally Posted by MadMax
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/di...c-with-IT-goal

This

Would love to see schools develop classes for kids that want to take a specific career path.
Specific career paths are the old way of thinking IMO. It's outdated.
What education should be doing is setting a foundation, not a specific career.

Say you want to get into a journalism career. Those sorts of schools are going to teach you all about journalism. What happpens when you go and get a job in Journalism? They're going untrain you, and build your journalism skills up themselves.

What aren't they going to do? Bother with the shit you should know already. Teach you about the world. Geography, history, interpersonal communication, how to write a fucking business orientated email/letter, which is sorely missing in the business world today.

The worst thing you could do for a journalism career is take a journalism based course. Exactly the same for IT. Take an IT course and it'll teach you all about RAM and CPU's, but it won't give you those basic business skills, basic marketing, negotiation, reporting and writing skills, etc etc.

What happens when they want to get out of IT? They're fucked, because that's all they know, and they don't have that foundation to pivot on, to go try something else.

Anyway, people get into IT because they want to manage computers. People get out of it when they realize that 99% of IT is managing people.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 09:45     #37567
xor
 
I don't understand what point you're trying to make?
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Old 22nd April 2013, 09:54     #37568
Cyberbob
 
Specific career path classes that early on are a bad idea mmkay.

They need to be focusing on general skills and knowledge, not specialised crap.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 10:11     #37569
xor
 
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Coding is seen as the techies' equivalent of sweatshop labour. Those with business interests just "hire a guy" with a knowledge of code, to sort out all that messy production stuff. If there's a massive demand for coders, then that demand will surely be filled by China or India's 10 million graduates a year at a far lower rate than the average North Shore student aspires to.
I actually lol'd at this.

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Originally Posted by bob
They need to be focusing on general skills and knowledge, not specialised crap.
What do you think of Woodwork or metal work as a subject at school in that case? Or any other trade subject offered by a school.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 10:27     #37570
Cyberbob
 
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Originally Posted by xor
What do you think of Woodwork or metal work as a subject at school in that case? Or any other trade subject offered by a school.
Fantastic, if you're in 1940. The "Train for a life long career in Woodwork" was an option back then. It's redundant now.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 10:44     #37571
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People who buy things are idiots.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 11:20     #37572
xor
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberbob
Fantastic, if you're in 1940. The "Train for a life long career in Woodwork" was an option back then. It's redundant now.
I'm not sure I follow your train of thought, why would learning a some basic woodwork/metal work skills be redundant?
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Old 22nd April 2013, 11:42     #37573
Cyberbob
 
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Originally Posted by xor
I'm not sure I follow your train of thought, why would learning a some basic woodwork/metal work skills be redundant?
It's fine for a quick "hey, see if you like this", but to actually take it as a year/multiyear long vocational study at that level of school, it's just filler. There's very little you can take from it to the world outside in this day & age IMO.

You'd be clutching at straws to name applicable skills you'll learn from sitting in such a specific class at high school, that will help you make it in the real world.

50 years ago sure, someone taking woodworking for 4 years might actually become a career long woodworker. There was enough demand for woodworkers (as an example) that it became necessary to upskill young students in that field.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 12:36     #37574
p01s0n
 
bob you're making yourself look like an idiot, fyi.
i suggest you abort this train of thought immediately.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 12:46     #37575
aR Que
 
Damm them trades that directly contribute a tangible good or service. we need more people writing scripts to help me manage my friends list on Facebook from a mobile device. that's the way to build an economy.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 12:51     #37576
xor
 
TBH I think something like woodwork can appeal to students who learn with their hands which can compliment them with other fields of expertise, obviously ones in trades/engineering.

I don't believe IT is specialised either. It's a tool for business and can be taught as such.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 12:52     #37577
p01s0n
 
there is this lolsy perceived issue in sydney atm because tradies are ballin outta control and driving audi r8s n shit around and the dudes that spent forever studying law books etc at uni instead of smashing nails during day and sloots during the night are mad as fuck about it.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 13:00     #37578
aR Que
 
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there is this lolsy perceived issue in sydney atm because tradies are ballin outta control and driving audi r8s n shit around and the dudes that spent forever studying law books etc at uni instead of smashing nails during day and sloots during the night are mad as fuck about it.
makes me so happy. once real estate agents are cast out to the outer edges of society will my jimmies finally be soothed.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 14:16     #37579
Nothing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saladin
People who buy things are idiots.
Reckon! When I wanted a new chair I went out and found a suitable pair of stones and then used one to chip bits off the other until I had a stone adze. I used the adze to fashion a wooden handle for a large sledge hammer. Then I hunted round till I found a piece of granite with the right sized hole in the middle. After that I cruised down to an old mine with my new sledge hammer and hammered away until I'd extracted enough metal ore to smelt myself a few chair making tools. Then I went into the forest with my new tools and chopped down a tree. I used that tree to make myself such a sweet chair.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 14:23     #37580
xor
 
I bet that chair would have a lot of character.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 14:33     #37581
Savage
 
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Originally Posted by aR Que
Damm them trades that directly contribute a tangible good or service. we need more people writing scripts to help me manage my friends list on Facebook from a mobile device. that's the way to build an economy.
Based on my 6th form Economics, an economy is based demand and supply, not on tangible services

Can't really blame people for getting into an industry that had huge demand a decade ago, and is still expanding. If someone works in an industry that is saturated with supply, of course they will not make good money (re: your reference to underpaid tradies). They should relocate somewhere that has a supply deficit to rectify the situation. In much the same vein, low level (unskilled labour?) IT workers make sweet fuck all these days too.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 14:41     #37582
CCS
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Originally Posted by Nothing
Reckon! When I wanted a new chair I went out and found a suitable pair of stones and then used one to chip bits off the other until I had a stone adze. I used the adze to fashion a wooden handle for a large sledge hammer. Then I hunted round till I found a piece of granite with the right sized hole in the middle. After that I cruised down to an old mine with my new sledge hammer and hammered away until I'd extracted enough metal ore to smelt myself a few chair making tools. Then I went into the forest with my new tools and chopped down a tree. I used that tree to make myself such a sweet chair.
Could you make me a chair like that?
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Old 22nd April 2013, 15:16     #37583
aR Que
 
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Originally Posted by Savage
demand and supply.
that Damm graph is all anyone remembers from high school economics. (its supply and demand btw -1 mark)
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Old 22nd April 2013, 15:17     #37584
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I'd still rather be studying IT than art-history or something similar.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 15:46     #37585
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Reckon! When I wanted a new chair I went out and found a suitable pair of stones and then used one to chip bits off the other until I had a stone adze. I used the adze to fashion a wooden handle for a large sledge hammer. Then I hunted round till I found a piece of granite with the right sized hole in the middle. After that I cruised down to an old mine with my new sledge hammer and hammered away until I'd extracted enough metal ore to smelt myself a few chair making tools. Then I went into the forest with my new tools and chopped down a tree. I used that tree to make myself such a sweet chair.
Reminds me of Kevin McClouds man made home; he made his own glass windows etc.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 15:52     #37586
Saladin
Nothing to See Here!
 
I was thinking more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0YAhykMMxc
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Old 22nd April 2013, 16:01     #37587
StN
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One of my kids might end up being a spaceport ILS calibration pilot, I have no idea. Good luck on Mr Guidance councellor explaining how that's gonna pan out.

Half the jobs our kids will be doing haven't even been invented yet.

But if they can learn to rely on their own skills, see something through to the end, and take pride in their work, then woodwork still has a place in school.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 16:23     #37588
Lightspeed
 
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Originally Posted by StN
Half the jobs our kids will be doing haven't even been invented yet.
As you say, it seems pretty ridiculous to pre-empt life so much, particularly in the midst of a (the?) technological explosion.

It's like the standard "career goal" job interview question. I think the best answer is "wait and see what happens", particularly working with tech.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 17:30     #37589
StN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StN
But if they can learn to rely on their own skills, see something through to the end, and take pride in their work, then woodwork still has a place in school.
I missed out the bit about using power tools without severing a femoral artery...
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Old 22nd April 2013, 18:08     #37590
Golden Teapot
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Originally Posted by Savage
Based on my 6th form Economics, an economy is based demand and supply, not on tangible services
There's a problem here - those economic models you were taught never ever work in the real world.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 18:49     #37591
Savage
 
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Originally Posted by Golden Teapot
There's a problem here - those economic models you were taught never ever work in the real world.
You mean when there's high demand and short supply for a product or service in a given region/industry, the price doesn't tend to increase? That's pretty much the only model I'm thinking about at the moment. Are you referring specifically to this idea, or to the idea that those under-paid labourers should be moving elsewhere to take advantage of a location where they would be better paid for their efforts?

I have no doubt at all that the ideas taught in a 6th form Economics class won't always apply
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Old 22nd April 2013, 20:56     #37592
Nothing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCS
Could you make me a chair like that?
Yes.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 21:30     #37593
CCS
Stunt Pants
 
Get started, I'll put it on lay-by. Sweet?
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Old 22nd April 2013, 22:25     #37594
Nothing
 
I said I could make you one. Didn't say I would.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 22:53     #37595
Biggus
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Irony

NZ does a deal and provides a new home for the Afghan interpreters that helped our reconstruction team, after spending time at the Mangere refugee centre they'll be relocated to Hamilton or Palmerston North.
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Old 23rd April 2013, 08:29     #37596
CCS
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Originally Posted by Nothing
I said I could make you one. Didn't say I would.
What a stink guy. I don't think you could make a chair like that. I think you're full of shit.
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Old 23rd April 2013, 08:33     #37597
pxpx
 
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Originally Posted by Saladin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=eG9R0q9QJQc

legit version of above, but the dude makes a handle for his chisel.
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Old 23rd April 2013, 08:52     #37598
xor
 
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NZ does a deal and provides a new home for the Afghan interpreters that helped our reconstruction team, after spending time at the Mangere refugee centre they'll be relocated to Hamilton or Palmerston North.
It's because there is no housing in Auckland. It's been an issue for them for the last 7-8 years.

Aaaaaaand the govt will be closing the Mangere refugee centre soon. Refugee's arriving in NZ will be sent straight to their new homes with no real knowledge of how to live in this awesome country.
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Old 23rd April 2013, 09:00     #37599
StN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pxpx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=eG9R0q9QJQc

legit version of above, but the dude makes a handle for his chisel.
^^^ Loved the sound effects on the sped up vid.
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Old 23rd April 2013, 09:03     #37600
Saladin
Nothing to See Here!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pxpx
legit version of above, but the dude makes a handle for his chisel.
Nick Offerman is pretty legit, runs his own woodworking shop outside of the show
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