Gay marriage gets PM's full support

[Ab]

Prime Minister John Key says he'll vote in favour a bill to allow marriage equality for same-sex couples because it won't impact on his relationship with his wife.

Mr Key said on Radio Live he would use a conscience vote to vote in favour of a bill allowing gay and transgender couples to get married.

He signalled his support for the bill in its early stages, but said he was unlikely to change his mind over the course of the debate to allow same-sex couples to marry - given it was a conscience vote.

"You go through all the merits of the argument and look at what people put up; but my view is that if two gay people want to get married I can't see why it would undermine my marriage with Bronagh," he told Radio Live.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10823210

[aR Que]

Yus, another argument i can use against getting married:
'It's for fags!'

/alone forever.

[Ab]

There are some more great arguments here, BYO popcorn:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/pm...o_bronagh.html

[Ab]

ONE MAN. ONE WOMAN. THAT'S MARRIAGE. BITCHES.

http://www.protectmarriage.org.nz/

[Saladin]

Marriage is just an outdated institution invented in a time when "til death" meant until your first cold.

[Deadmeat]

Took him long enough.

[Cyberbob]

18:27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

THAT'S MARRIAGE, BITCHES.

[fixed_truth]

Thanks Obama.

Now, let's get this into law.

[Cyberbob]

In case you're wondering, John Key voted against the Civil Union bill.

[Ab]

Labour MP: cease this faggotry at once

Labour MP Su'a William Sio says he will be voting against the same-sex marriage bill, which he says could cost the party the next election.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-marriage-bill

[cyc]

Another beautiful own goal by Labour. Yeah let's air out your idea of how you'll feed minorities' interests to the dogs in order to get back in power.

[Ab]

Any second now Sio is going to be censured by the Labour Party leadership for his bigotry.

...

(tumbleweed)
(crickets)

[Saladin]

But would "waitakere man" approve?

[CCS]

Originally Posted by Ab

Any second now Sio is going to be censured by the Labour Party leadership for his bigotry.

...

(tumbleweed)
(crickets)

No, not by the leadership. But he will get an ear-bashing from the rainbow faction.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Ab

Any second now Sio is going to be censured by the Labour Party leadership for his bigotry.

I thought that the issue is more him publicly speaking out against the bill (even though it's a conscious vote) without party approval.

I mean if it is about "bigotry" then it looks like Key is gonna have a shit load of censuring to do come vote time.

[Foggerty]

Originally Posted by tard

John Key is a nice enough fellow but one with the spine of a jellyfish who will not go up against the “gay” stormtroopers who have honed their Alinkyist narratives to the nth degree.

But this is living proof that we live in a society ruled by a debased elite who have already squandered what they inherited as they wallow in their self indulgent filth.

First paragraph had me scratching my head as to what an Alinkyist narrative is, and if I should read it to small children, and the second is just pure gold

[xor]

Originally Posted by cyc

Another beautiful own goal by Labour. Yeah let's air out your idea of how you'll feed minorities' interests to the dogs in order to get back in power.

Not sure if I read that right, do you think Su'a William Sio made that anti gay comment to promote himself in the Mangere electorate? o_O

Surely not?

[fixed_truth]

Imo it seems as that is what Su'a was doing. Which is pretty stupid because a) Labour owns that electorate and b) from the research I've seen Maori/Pacific people are more for same sex marriage than the general population.

http://www.researchnz.com/pdf/Media%...0marriages.pdf (pfd)

[cyc]

Originally Posted by xor

Not sure if I read that right, do you think Su'a William Sio made that anti gay comment to promote himself in the Mangere electorate? o_O

Surely not?

My point was against the underlying sentiment as expressed by that idiot. "OMFG THIS MIGHT BE A VOTE LOSER, LET'S JUST DROP THIS!". To an extent, politicians must be populist but when it comes to people's fundamental right to be treated with dignity and respect, I do not find anyone holding the attitude that such a fundamental right should be sold out for the sake of political expedience to be, well, sufferable.

[Ab]

"This might mean we may not get elected Government at the next election, so we should not touch it with a 10 foot pole. Who cares about principles, we're here to get fucking ELECTED."

[xor]

David Lange would be rolling in his grave if he lived to see the two fuckwits that took over his electorate :/

[leadinjector]

Originally Posted by xor

David Lange would be rolling in his grave if he lived to see the two fuckwits that took over his electorate :/

how could he be rolling in his grave if he was still alive?

[pxpx]

Originally Posted by leadinjector

how could he be rolling in his grave if he was still alive?

Uh, wat?

[CCS]

So... how did you get to work when you missed the boat?

[pxpx]

LOL! Sorry lead, my bad. I skim read what xor said, and now see the obvious.

[fixed_truth]

National 30-29
Labour 30-3 (1 not vote – Raymond Huo)
Greens 14-0
NZ First 0-8
Maori 3-0
Mana 1-0
ACT 1-0
United Future 1-0
Total 80-40 (1 non vote)

(from DPF)

Shame on National & NZF

[Ab]

Aye.

Shame on every nay vote, IMHO.

Speaking to the majority, and I'm glad that it is a majority: good on you all. Go NZ. Australia has a female unmarried atheist PM and she won't even put it to a vote.

[Cyberbob]

"‘‘The nature of marriage should not be interfered with,’’ Macindoe said."

Alright Macindoe, we'll take it back to the old skool. Here are your 200 Philistine foreskins. I'd like your daughter now, thanks.

[BoyWonder]

The National vote of 30-29 looks very... manufactured.

[A Corpse]

What was the Family First vote? Oh that's right, they're not in parliament. Why the fuck has the media given them so much attention in the last few days I wonder?

[Ab]

Gots to sell some papers!

Originally Posted by Cyberbob

"‘‘The nature of marriage should not be interfered with,’’ Macindoe said."

Alright Macindoe, we'll take it back to the old skool. Here are your 200 Philistine foreskins. I'd like your daughter now, thanks.

I'm thrilled to be able to report that Macindoe is actually my electorate MP. His stand on marriage equality really makes me want to vote for him next time around. But it gets better: Labour's candidate in that electorate is Sue "sack of hammers" Moroney. The next two highest-profile candidates are from the Winston Peters and Colin Craig parties.

Rock, hard place, rockier harder place.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Labour 30-3 (1 not vote – Raymond Huo)

Last night, Labour's Raymond Huo was the only MP not to vote on the historic Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill. So why didn't he? The Herald has an answer:

Labour MP Raymond Huo, who had earlier said he was leaning towards supporting the bill, did not cast a vote because he felt the Chinese community was overwhelmingly opposed to it.

Mr Huo said he would review his decision at the select committee stage.

So, his constituency was overwhelmingly opposed, so he didn't vote. He didn't represent them, and he didn't represent his conscience and Labour values, which were presumably telling him to vote the other way. Instead, he just sat there and twiddled his thumbs on the most important issue to come before our Parliament this term.

Aren't you glad we're paying him $140,000 a year?

Our tax dollars at work!

[aR Que]

So, he sat around doing fuck all?
Sounds like he represented part of labours core support quite well.

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by BoyWonder

The National vote of 30-29 looks very... manufactured.

That's my immediate thought too.

[Ab]

Votes against marriage equality:

Labour: 3
ACT: 0
United Future: 0

Name and shame.

[Saladin]

Melissa Lee! I used to think you were cool, with your pirating of Korean pop songs from the internet

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Ab

Votes against marriage equality:

Labour: 3

At a quick scan I see Damien O'Connor and Su'a William Sio, can't pick the third - anyone?

[Saladin]

Check the site you quoted about Huo, 3 posts down.

[Cyberbob]

How they voted details

For media and others who are interested in a breakdown by the numbers, here they are:

All MPs 80 – 40
Electorate MPs 45 – 25
List MPs 35 – 15 (1 non vote)
Female MPs 32 – 7
Male MPs 48 – 33 (1 non vote)
Asian MPs 1-3 (1 non vote)
European MPs 60 – 29
Maori MPs 17 – 4
Pacific MPs 2 – 4
20s MPs – 2-0
30s MPs 11 – 2
40s MPs 20 – 18
50s MPs 34 – 13 (1 non vote)
60s MPs 12 – 7
70s MPs 1-0
Auckland MPs 29 – 12 (1 non vote)
Christchurch MPs 11 – 2
Provincial MPs 10 – 12
Rural MPs 16 – 12
Wellington MPs 14 – 2
North Island MPs 58 – 32 (1 non vote)
South Island MPs 22 – 8
National MPs 30-29
Labour MPs 30-3 (1 non vote)
Green MPs 14-0
NZ First MPs 0-8
Maori Party MPs 3-0
Mana, ACT, United all 1-0
Cabinet Ministers 14-6
All Ministers 20-8
Gay MPs 3-1
Lesbian MPs 3-0
“Straight” MPs 74 – 39 (1 non vote)
1970s MPs 0-1
1980s MPs 7-1
1990s MPs 11-9
2002 MPs 5-1
2005 MPs 18 – 6
2008 MPs 22 – 11 (1 non vote)
2011 MPs 16 – 11

[CCS]

*sigh*

Here's a useful breakdown of which way the individual members voted:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-first-reading