nCoV 2019

[Nich]

Further infantilising the Australian populous, Scott Morrison says we've earned an "early mark". Fuck you, this language is no accident. Hammer it home you fucker, get it in everyone's head that they are misguided children that need a guardian to show them discipline.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...8531f293a37b19

[crocos]

Pity the monks in isolation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iI6hI7UF64

[crocos]

Originally Posted by Nich

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...8531f293a37b19

Also another reason to say fuck you:

It is our path back to download the COVIDSafe app

"We'll let you come out and play if you let us track the everloving fuck out of you"

[Trigga*happY]

Originally Posted by Nich

Further infantilising the Australian populous, Scott Morrison says we've earned an "early mark". Fuck you, this language is no accident. Hammer it home you fucker, get it in everyone's head that they are misguided children that need a guardian to show them discipline.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...8531f293a37b19

Unfortunately, politicians do have to speak to the lowest common denominator. Yes, the more intellectual may get a little pissed at feeling coddled, however you have to realise that a percentage of the population are actually worse than children, having an overpowering need for praise/approval and an addiction to external affirmation. In communicating in this manner, they hope to encourage the appropriate behaviour across all aspects of society. *edit... grammar*

[Lightspeed]

Politicians and journalists can speak to all of us, with an awareness that the bulk of us are nominally functional, hence why such institutions persist.

When Tova adopts the stance of the stupid person rather than inquiring based on the interest of everyone, she's working towards a particular agenda. She certainly doesn't have the stupid person at heart.

[Trigga*happY]

Sorry, yes. I should have clarified the statement with a "MAY". Certainly not every politician is working with an intention of catering to all walks of life. In communicating in this manner, they MAY be hoping to encourage the appropriate behaviour across all aspects of society.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by crocos

Also another reason to say fuck you:


"We'll let you come out and play if you let us track the everloving fuck out of you"

This is the tiny version of a much longer train of thought that I've thought about writing up as a proper bloggy article, but...

All the information the govts of the world need is already recorded and tracked and datamined in a million different ways every minute of every day. Anyone with an internet-connected phone is already having all their movements tracked all the time. Why does the government think some new thing hacked together hastily by minimum-wage government employees is the answer to the problem?

Why the fuck are governments so absolutely blind to big tech? It's like the twentieth century's amazing leaps (antibiotics, nuclear power, space travel, computing, etc) have left the governments of the West with a permanent attitude of "tech is awesome, it would never do anything bad, and if it might be doing something bad, best to just not think about it".

What other industry could just say to the governments of the world "Yeah, nah, we won't be paying tax" and have the governments just go "um, OK" like they'd just been Jedi Mind Tricked?

It's like they've got a TARDIS perception filter running. It blows my mind.

The government - any government - could just say "hey phone and app companies, if you want to remain legal here, give us that data that you're already collecting so we can track people's physical movements to try and deal with this worldwide pandemic". But it never enters their heads. The big tech companies are there in the room sitting on a pile of all the information the government needs. But they're invisible. What the fuck.

[StN]

Over here, some of the worst data leakages of patient info has been from DHBs. Yeah, I'd trust them with a tracking app...

[Native]

Originally Posted by StN

Over here, some of the worst data leakages of patient info has been from DHBs. Yeah, I'd trust them with a tracking app...

The worst part is the culture in management with the DHB. It's an old-boys club within each DHB where senior doctors (with private practices who biggest customer is the DHB) argue with other doctors (same setup) about what they see as 'best' in their view and go fund that.

A friend of mine is a health economist (for which they are less than a dozen in NZ) and the stories make my business mind hurt.

I'd spend a year to save $3-4m of unnecessary cost to NZ Dairy (just utter BS waste) and Auckland DHB's will spend the same money reconciling data because they didn't want to spend $200k the year before on upgrading the legacy systems to include more fields to allow reference codes to link different databases.

Security - lol... you should see their 'anonymized data' and the process they have about standards for sharing data between health departments, let alone amongst other government departments.

[fixed_truth]

I'm happy while there's a pandemic to risk my privacy using some kind of tracking app like aus is.

If my location data does become leaked or whatever, how does that harm me? Maybe if I was going somewhere specific for health treatment that I didn't want family/work to know or something like that.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I'm happy while there's a pandemic to risk my privacy using some kind of tracking app like aus is.

If my location data does become leaked or whatever, how does that harm me? Maybe if I was going somewhere specific for health treatment that I didn't want family/work to know or something like that.

Would your happiness be affected by knowledge that the Australian govt awarded the contract for the tracking app's data to Amazon?

[StN]

The lad needed a bottle of bourbon, so I drove him to the local. I'd been there last week, and just walked up, asked for what I needed, and did the contactless transaction. All good.

Today, the chap had to enforce click-and-collect or phone orders only. So I did a Duncan Garner, and rang the chap standing in front of me, and asked for a bottle.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I'm happy while there's a pandemic to risk my privacy using some kind of tracking app like aus is.

If my location data does become leaked or whatever, how does that harm me? Maybe if I was going somewhere specific for health treatment that I didn't want family/work to know or something like that.

Leaks aside, would you happy if said tracking data placed you at the scene of a crime? Now remember computers don’t lie. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...gaeta-11426374

[Lightspeed]

Seems like most of the world is passing the first wave at this point (with a few just wishing they were), I guess the question is when does the second wave hit and what does it look like?

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by MadMax

Leaks aside, would you happy if said tracking data placed you at the scene of a crime? Now remember computers don’t lie. https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...gaeta-11426374

I wouldn't think that the risk of this is something I'd have to seriously worry about living in NZ.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Seems like most of the world is passing the first wave at this point (with a few just wishing they were), I guess the question is when does the second wave hit and what does it look like?

Iirc the second wave of Spanish Flu killed about 5 times as many as the first. But learning lessons from history is unfashionable now.

[DrTiTus]

Originally Posted by StN

Today, the chap had to enforce click-and-collect or phone orders only. So I did a Duncan Garner, and rang the chap standing in front of me, and asked for a bottle.

I witnessed the same thing - a woman rang the bottle store, from outside the bottle store, read out her credit card details to everyone nearby, and then got her bourbon. I don't do that as a matter of habit, so I went to supermarket and paid for my beers with virus laden cash.

[BoyWonder]

Lol they might as well set up two cups and a string in case you had not already placed your phone order. Could be an opportunity to get some more branding in front of the customer as well.

[crocos]

Criticism is not to be tolerated in the Putinverse:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...rs-coronavirus

[StN]

^^ They got Ferrestal'd.

[Ab]

Amerrrrrrricaaaaaaaaa

https://imgur.com/rlWPS8p

[pxpx]

Diagnostic/Therapeutic Imaging (aka Radiology) for a Corona Virus test?

That's fake news m8 :P

Unless they x-ray'd lungs due to respiratory complaint.. then maybe real news m8?

[Lightspeed]

Iranian Revolutionary Guard reported they had a tool that could detect an infected person from 100m away. It was a dowsing rod. The Iranian Health Ministry did not approve it for use.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by pxpx

Diagnostic/Therapeutic Imaging (aka Radiology) for a Corona Virus test?

That's fake news m8 :P

Unless they x-ray'd lungs due to respiratory complaint.. then maybe real news m8?

yeah I guess if you delete that line of the bill then the numbers make sense

[Nich]

Originally Posted by pxpx

Diagnostic/Therapeutic Imaging (aka Radiology) for a Corona Virus test?

That's fake news m8 :P

Unless they x-ray'd lungs due to respiratory complaint.. then maybe real news m8?

SARS COV2 is a respiratory disease first as it enters the body, and a neurological / blood disease second once it takes root. Asymptomatic cases may skip any respiratory symptoms, and may be deemed asymptomatic, however these people may also have higher D-dimer in their blood as their body attempts to get rid of blood clotting. They don't have perceivable symptoms... then they have a stroke, or their leg gets amputated.

A VQ scan would look for blood clotting in the lungs, and is radiology dept.
https://www.insideradiology.com.au/vq-scan/

For more info on why doctors are doing this in relation to COVID 19, see the following:

TWiV 608: Daniel Griffin’s COVID-19 clinical report
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-608/

Pulmonary Embolism and Increased Levels of d-Dimer in Patients with Coronavirus Disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32348233

[pxpx]

Chur good info thanks Nich

[Ab]

Google “Covid toes”

[Ab]

People aren't always shit.

Funds for native American tribes who have been badly hit by coronavirus are flooding in from Ireland as they repay a debt dating back to the 19th-century famine.

https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-39178123.html

[Ab]

But sometimes they are.

Oh my god, powerful white dudes gonna powerful white dude every time.

London: The scientist whose advice prompted Boris Johnson to lock down the country resigned from his government advisory position last night, after he broke social distancing rules to meet his married lover.

Professor Neil Ferguson allowed the woman to visit him at home during lockdown while he lectured the public on the need for strict social distancing to reduce the spread of coronavirus. The woman lives with her husband and their two children in another house.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...06-p54q6m.html

This is one of the most IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. The things he thinks and writes and says determine whether thousands of people live or die.

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Cyberbob]

Good point though. How are adulterers maintaining their affairs in this challenging time?

[Ab]

Different topic: the more I read about the impact of COVID19 in different places, the more my head explodes with the inexplicability of it. For every simple causal explanation there's a clear exception that blows it up.

Asian countries will get hit hardest! (but Taiwan)
Rich countries will be OK! (but UK, US)
Dense populations will get reamed! (but dense poor India fine, rich sparse Belgium reamed)
Countries with elderly populations are toast, watch Japan go up in flames (Japan fine so far)
Countries with immediate hard lockdowns do better! (again, no lockdown in Japan and fine so far)

blah blah blah for every metric. The impact of this virus makes no fucking sense. It's like some frustrating logic puzzle where you don't even know how many dimensions the space has.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Cyberbob

Good point though. How are adulterers maintaining their affairs in this challenging time?

I suspect many hens will come home to roost in this time.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Ab

The impact of this virus makes no fucking sense. It's like some frustrating logic puzzle where you don't even know how many dimensions the space has.

It's like what happens when a complex real world phenomena collides with chronic information manipulation.

[Know me.]

Originally Posted by Ab

Different topic: the more I read about the impact of COVID19 in different places, the more my head explodes with the inexplicability of it. For every simple causal explanation there's a clear exception that blows it up.

Asian countries will get hit hardest! (but Taiwan)
Rich countries will be OK! (but UK, US)
Dense populations will get reamed! (but dense poor India fine, rich sparse Belgium reamed)
Countries with elderly populations are toast, watch Japan go up in flames (Japan fine so far)
Countries with immediate hard lockdowns do better! (again, no lockdown in Japan and fine so far)

blah blah blah for every metric. The impact of this virus makes no fucking sense. It's like some frustrating logic puzzle where you don't even know how many dimensions the space has.

It will take years for the real facts to come out. What metric are you using for "impact" ?

[Trigga*happY]

Originally Posted by Ab

Different topic: the more I read about the impact of COVID19 in different places, the more my head explodes with the inexplicability of it. For every simple causal explanation there's a clear exception that blows it up.

Asian countries will get hit hardest! (but Taiwan)
Rich countries will be OK! (but UK, US)
Dense populations will get reamed! (but dense poor India fine, rich sparse Belgium reamed)
Countries with elderly populations are toast, watch Japan go up in flames (Japan fine so far)
Countries with immediate hard lockdowns do better! (again, no lockdown in Japan and fine so far)

blah blah blah for every metric. The impact of this virus makes no fucking sense. It's like some frustrating logic puzzle where you don't even know how many dimensions the space has.

It's crazy how mismatched the data sets are. I've just started looking at genetic maps, see if there's any correlation in that direction. The problem is, every demographic is looking at it's impact on itself and drawing conclusions accordingly.

[DrTiTus]

A goat and a pawpaw allegedly test positive with the COVID tests in Tanzania

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Trigga*happY

It's crazy how mismatched the data sets are. I've just started looking at genetic maps, see if there's any correlation in that direction. The problem is, every demographic is looking at it's impact on itself and drawing conclusions accordingly.

Perhaps it's not even one single virus. Perhaps it's mutated already.

[Trigga*happY]

From what they're saying, it's mutating constantly. It's how they track how many times it's been transmitted and when it started. There has only been one significant mutation however, which is how we ended up with the Sars-Cov-2 strain, which is less lethal than it's original form.

[Trigga*happY]

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

[pxpx]

Can someone ELI5 on how to read that chart please :P