Random Thoughts II - Page 985

Ab · 18th November 2014, 17:22

Nematode worm's 302-neuron brain is mapped, reproduced in software, uploaded to a Lego robot. Robot starts acting like a worm.

http://www.i-programmer.info/news/10...lego-body.html

Lightspeed · 18th November 2014, 17:33

I'll be the first to welcome our robot worm overlords.

Pimp-X · 18th November 2014, 21:43

I want a robot worm.

Cyberbob · 19th November 2014, 12:12

I can't get my head around the fact that it's not "if this then that" logic programming. It just "happens".

pxpx · 19th November 2014, 12:20

Is it more like "keep doing this until that.. then try something else"?

DrTiTus · 20th November 2014, 14:17

It's the connections between the neurons/processes that defines the "logic". There is still an element of "if this then that" in each neuron, it's just that the arrangement provides the emergent behaviour.

It's not really a mystery if you consider a single transistor does the same sort of thing, but combine several [billion] of them in a particular way and you get a processor which obeys an instruction set and remembers state, etc

The arrangement of the connections didn't just "happen" - that's where the intelligent designer played his part.

MadMax · 20th November 2014, 19:09

from the diagram there's no feedback from the motors. detecting the current flow to the motors and feeding that back as varying levels of pain when the robot hits an object would be more effective than a nose sensor imho. the robot would then feel the grooves in the tiled floor, for example.

Pimp-X · 20th November 2014, 20:02

Does a worm feel that?

The point was to simulate the neural engine, not to Sperg Sperg.

Oh and lol, intelligent designer.

MadMax · 21st November 2014, 00:08

it has a CNS and yes will feel that.

Yes, they've simulated what they wanted to achieve but if you look at their other videos you can see they're struggling a bit with its bump and worldly reactions.

Pimp-X · 21st November 2014, 06:54

I think you are crediting 300-odd neurons with a bit much sentience, similar to how pet owners imbue their animals with human personalities.

Cyberbob · 21st November 2014, 10:17

Just FYI, a roundworm has 302 neurons. A jellyfish has 800. A leech has 10,000. A fruitfly has 100,000. A cockroach has 1,000,000. A human has 86,000,000,000.

It tends to scale up pretty rapidly when it comes to sentience.

MadMax · 21st November 2014, 10:32

You don't need a neuron network nor sentience for reactive motor movements.

In before some posts here from what must be reactionary finger-jerk reflexes as proof of that.

Ab · 21st November 2014, 14:20

1971, Intel 4004: 2,300 transistors
2014, Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge: 4.3 billion transistors

Deadmeat · 21st November 2014, 17:05

Anyone got a recommendation for where I can watch the ABs on Sunday morning in Melbourne? Staying in the CBD on or around Collins St iirc.

StN · 21st November 2014, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

1971, Intel 4004: 2,300 transistors
2014, Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge: 4.3 billion transistors

Macca@Work · 21st November 2014, 21:55

I have to ask ..how does KK manage to wipe such a huge arse?Surely she uses a mop or something?

Ab · 21st November 2014, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by StN

it's what's for dinner

MadMax · 22nd November 2014, 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

1971, Intel 4004: 2,300 transistors
2014, Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge: 4.3 billion transistors

Relevant

StN · 22nd November 2014, 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

it's what's for dinner

From KFC?

Nich · 22nd November 2014, 17:25

Anyone know of bars in Melbourne that keep chess boards? I have a hunger for drinking and playing chess.

xpandnz · 22nd November 2014, 23:21

Oh, hi.

Ajax · 23rd November 2014, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by StN

StN · 23rd November 2014, 12:00

That's not the Willy you are looking for.

Cyberbob · 24th November 2014, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nich

Anyone know of bars in Melbourne that keep chess boards? I have a hunger for drinking and playing chess.

There's actually quite a few..
Prudence in North Melbourne.
Lion Hotel on La Trobe st.
Sherlock Holmes on Collins

MadMax · 24th November 2014, 20:28

youtube 1080p@60fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRSzewMx1Ow
^ feel like I could reach out and slap the guy ... 1080p@60fps in 3d would be interesting

crocos · 24th November 2014, 20:52

Bloody Telecom ADSL; Don't even get the option of 60fps. Hell, in that vid I don't even get the option of 1080p.

Ab · 24th November 2014, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

youtube 1080p@60fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRSzewMx1Ow
^ feel like I could reach out and slap the guy ... 1080p@60fps in 3d would be interesting

wow

Cyberbob · 24th November 2014, 22:07

Happy 10th anniversary, WoW players

Rince · 24th November 2014, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

youtube 1080p@60fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRSzewMx1Ow
^ feel like I could reach out and slap the guy ... 1080p@60fps in 3d would be interesting

my eyes are fucked, I can't tell teh difference between 720 and 1080

CCS · 25th November 2014, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Bloody Telecom ADSL; Don't even get the option of 60fps. Hell, in that vid I don't even get the option of 1080p.

Same here. What the fucking fuck Sparklecom?!

Ab · 25th November 2014, 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rince

my eyes are fucked, I can't tell teh difference between 720 and 1080

don't worry, neither can anyone else

pxpx · 25th November 2014, 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

Same here. What the fucking fuck Sparklecom?!

Same for slingshot

Juju · 25th November 2014, 09:59

Does anyone know why on concrete footpaths, at some of the joints/expansion cracks, it appears they have ground away some of the concrete (usually with a circular fashion) leaving a bit of a rough surface?

I see it everywhere and it bugs the shit out of me because I just can't think up a reason for it.

Juju · 25th November 2014, 10:05

Here's an example on a random street on the shore.

CCS · 25th November 2014, 10:31

Make for flat surface, no kink.

pxpx · 25th November 2014, 10:39

I'm really struggling to figure out wtf you are referring to mr Ju :~(

Lightspeed · 25th November 2014, 10:44

When a concrete slab on a footpath shifts so that there's an edge that's higher than the rest of the footpath, the council grinds down the offending edge. Guess it helps prevent people tripping and smashing the faces, maybe ACC noticed a lot of claims. I started noticing the practice a few years back.

n3><Ro · 25th November 2014, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

When a concrete slab on a footpath shifts so that there's an edge that's higher than the rest of the footpath, the council grinds down the offending edge. Guess it helps prevent people tripping and smashing the faces, maybe ACC noticed a lot of claims. I started noticing the practice a few years back.

My 60yr old mother fell on one of these at the start of this year, broke to top of her humerous clean off and fractured her shoulder blade, estimate for recovery is around 12 months all going well... for 2-3 months ACC had to pay for a Taxi to take her to any med appointments, cover her work income, pay for a carer to help her dress etc.
I noted about 2 months after her fall all of the paths for about 3km around the area where it happened had been ground down, would have been a bit nicer if it was proactive rather than retrospective. I would assume the same in the above case...

StN · 25th November 2014, 18:33

2 months later they fixed it? Luxury...

17th November 2014, 05:07	#39361
CCS Stunt Pants	^^^ hmmm __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

18th November 2014, 21:43	#39364
Pimp-X Drunken Annoying Superhero Bastard	I want a robot worm. __________________ If there is one movement I could get behind in this world, it would be the discrimination and abuse of fucking idiots.

20th November 2014, 14:17	#39367
DrTiTus HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE	It's the connections between the neurons/processes that defines the "logic". There is still an element of "if this then that" in each neuron, it's just that the arrangement provides the emergent behaviour. It's not really a mystery if you consider a single transistor does the same sort of thing, but combine several [billion] of them in a particular way and you get a processor which obeys an instruction set and remembers state, etc The arrangement of the connections didn't just "happen" - that's where the intelligent designer played his part. __________________ Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand...

20th November 2014, 19:09	#39368
MadMax Stuff	from the diagram there's no feedback from the motors. detecting the current flow to the motors and feeding that back as varying levels of pain when the robot hits an object would be more effective than a nose sensor imho. the robot would then feel the grooves in the tiled floor, for example. __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity.

20th November 2014, 20:02	#39369
Pimp-X Drunken Annoying Superhero Bastard	Does a worm feel that? The point was to simulate the neural engine, not to Sperg Sperg. Oh and lol, intelligent designer. __________________ If there is one movement I could get behind in this world, it would be the discrimination and abuse of fucking idiots.

18th November 2014, 17:22	#39362
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Nematode worm's 302-neuron brain is mapped, reproduced in software, uploaded to a Lego robot. Robot starts acting like a worm. http://www.i-programmer.info/news/10...lego-body.html

18th November 2014, 17:33	#39363
Lightspeed	I'll be the first to welcome our robot worm overlords. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

19th November 2014, 12:12	#39365
Cyberbob	I can't get my head around the fact that it's not "if this then that" logic programming. It just "happens". __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ Last edited by Cyberbob : 19th November 2014 at 12:14.

19th November 2014, 12:20	#39366
pxpx	Is it more like "keep doing this until that.. then try something else"?

21st November 2014, 00:08	#39370
MadMax Stuff	it has a CNS and yes will feel that. Yes, they've simulated what they wanted to achieve but if you look at their other videos you can see they're struggling a bit with its bump and worldly reactions. __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. Last edited by MadMax : 21st November 2014 at 00:09.

21st November 2014, 06:54	#39371
Pimp-X Drunken Annoying Superhero Bastard	I think you are crediting 300-odd neurons with a bit much sentience, similar to how pet owners imbue their animals with human personalities. __________________ If there is one movement I could get behind in this world, it would be the discrimination and abuse of fucking idiots.

21st November 2014, 10:17	#39372
Cyberbob	Just FYI, a roundworm has 302 neurons. A jellyfish has 800. A leech has 10,000. A fruitfly has 100,000. A cockroach has 1,000,000. A human has 86,000,000,000. It tends to scale up pretty rapidly when it comes to sentience. __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

21st November 2014, 10:32	#39373
MadMax Stuff	You don't need a neuron network nor sentience for reactive motor movements. In before some posts here from what must be reactionary finger-jerk reflexes as proof of that. __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. Last edited by MadMax : 21st November 2014 at 10:35.

21st November 2014, 14:20	#39374
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	1971, Intel 4004: 2,300 transistors 2014, Intel Xeon Ivy Bridge: 4.3 billion transistors

21st November 2014, 17:05	#39375
Deadmeat	Anyone got a recommendation for where I can watch the ABs on Sunday morning in Melbourne? Staying in the CBD on or around Collins St iirc.

21st November 2014, 21:55	#39377
Macca@Work	I have to ask ..how does KK manage to wipe such a huge arse?Surely she uses a mop or something?

22nd November 2014, 17:25	#39381
Nich	Anyone know of bars in Melbourne that keep chess boards? I have a hunger for drinking and playing chess.

22nd November 2014, 23:21	#39382
xpandnz	Oh, hi. __________________ asghasdhoaidhoqhdoqjwod;asdadas

23rd November 2014, 12:00	#39384
StN I have detailed files	That's not the Willy you are looking for.

24th November 2014, 20:28	#39386
MadMax Stuff	youtube 1080p@60fps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRSzewMx1Ow ^ feel like I could reach out and slap the guy ... 1080p@60fps in 3d would be interesting __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity.

24th November 2014, 20:52	#39387
crocos	Bloody Telecom ADSL; Don't even get the option of 60fps. Hell, in that vid I don't even get the option of 1080p. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

24th November 2014, 22:07	#39389
Cyberbob	Happy 10th anniversary, WoW players __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

25th November 2014, 09:59	#39394
Juju get to da choppa	Does anyone know why on concrete footpaths, at some of the joints/expansion cracks, it appears they have ground away some of the concrete (usually with a circular fashion) leaving a bit of a rough surface? I see it everywhere and it bugs the shit out of me because I just can't think up a reason for it.

25th November 2014, 10:05	#39395
Juju get to da choppa	Here's an example on a random street on the shore.

25th November 2014, 10:31	#39396
CCS Stunt Pants	Make for flat surface, no kink. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

25th November 2014, 10:39	#39397
pxpx	I'm really struggling to figure out wtf you are referring to mr Ju :~(

25th November 2014, 10:44	#39398
Lightspeed	When a concrete slab on a footpath shifts so that there's an edge that's higher than the rest of the footpath, the council grinds down the offending edge. Guess it helps prevent people tripping and smashing the faces, maybe ACC noticed a lot of claims. I started noticing the practice a few years back. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

25th November 2014, 18:33	#39400
StN I have detailed files	2 months later they fixed it? Luxury...