The Great Darren Hughes Phil Goff meltdown thread - Enhanced Love - Page 4

fixed_truth · 29th March 2011, 22:46

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Originally Posted by cyc

Of course Labour has done some good things for the poor -- apart from the US Republicans, very few mainstream parties in the western world are resolutely hellbent on screwing up the lives of the poor. But it's just delusional to think that Labour has done a lot of great things for its constituents in the 9 years of very favourable conditions which it had. More importantly, in spite of how bad National might/has been, it doesn't justify any of the many, many horrible decisions that Labour have made, for which the country continues to pay.

We'll have to disagree about the degree of good Labour did for their constituents. Also I'm not saying Labour didn't make a lot of mistakes, all Govts do. And I'm not using Nationals current economic policy failure to justify things that Labour fucked up on, rather that outcomes show Labour to be the lesser of two evils regarding the wellbeing of average NZers. I wouldn't mind it if National proves me wrong though I'm hesitant to believe they will as we've seen before the results of cutting public services whilst reducing top tax rates. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

cyc · 29th March 2011, 22:51

Well, at least I manage to make things better for people occasionally, Chubz. What's your "vote" at the mental asylum for the New Zealand Communists done for anybody? Have you finished reading your Karl Marx collection yet?

cyc · 29th March 2011, 23:03

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I wouldn't mind it if National proves me wrong though I'm hesitant to believe they will as we've seen before the results of cutting public services whilst reducing top tax rates. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I am not sure you 100% appreciate how useless a progressive tax regime is in lieu of adequate safeguards against cheating. In NZ's case, there were basically shit fuck all safeguards. Again, I agree with your sentiments re: the tax cut and on the progressive tax regime. I don't think that tax system is necessarily best for economic growth but the benefits of lesser social inequality and redistribution of resources towards the needs of the very poor (in a proper, working progressive tax system) are worth the trade off IMO. But, seriously, very few people were paying the highest rate of tax and, more importantly, there was simply an incredible amount of money spent by people to avoid tax. You'll honestly just have to take my word and those who've benefited massively from Labour's mistakes (and National's wilful unwillingness to close these loopsholes) on this.

I'll close this debate with a couple of laughable (or amazing) anecdotes to drive the point home. Guess who allowed lawyers to practice within law firms which are incorporated as companies instead of the usual full-liability personal partnerships? Labour. Guess what happened after many lawyers incorporated their law firms? Suddenly a lot of them didn't earn that much salary.....

Guess how often 3 to 4 year PQE tax lawyers earn more money than people with 8 to 10 years of experience in very lucrative fields like IP/IT law or corporate law? VERY often. Guess what the tax lawyers do daily.

chubby · 29th March 2011, 23:09

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Originally Posted by cyc

Well, at least I manage to make things better for people occasionally, Chubz. What's your "vote" at the mental asylum for the New Zealand Communists done for anybody? Have you finished reading your Karl Marx collection yet?

sleep well then.

adonis · 29th March 2011, 23:40

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Originally Posted by cyc

2. Because I actually want to see some economic growth and generally improving economic outcomes.

I lol'ed*.

DISCLAIMER* I didn't actually lol, I did roll my eyes and shake my head a little though.

cyc · 30th March 2011, 00:21

Well, I guess we can count on Phil Goff reducing GST/GST exempting fruit and veges to get us out of the hole we are in, eh, Adonis?

At some point, people need to stop talking about the Labour or National of the 1980s or 90s as though they define the present.

xor · 30th March 2011, 08:39

The Darren Hughes incident is quite the lol. I wonder what made the 18 year old run down the road naked trying to hitch a ride. Props to him though, he can say he's one level closer to Tucker Max.

http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/tuc...oes-not-ensue/

Pimp-X · 30th March 2011, 08:53

All he wanted to do was share coffee and gingernuts with the kid.

StN · 30th March 2011, 09:00

Was there a long black involved...

StN · 30th March 2011, 10:09

tilde · 30th March 2011, 12:17

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Originally Posted by cyc

I'll close this debate with a couple of laughable (or amazing) anecdotes to drive the point home. Guess who allowed lawyers to practice within law firms which are incorporated as companies instead of the usual full-liability personal partnerships? Labour. Guess what happened after many lawyers incorporated their law firms? Suddenly a lot of them didn't earn that much salary.....

Guess how often 3 to 4 year PQE tax lawyers earn more money than people with 8 to 10 years of experience in very lucrative fields like IP/IT law or corporate law? VERY often. Guess what the tax lawyers do daily.

won't lawyers then fall under the IRD law of tax evasion then, by paying themselves less than market rates? as discussed in the contractor thread a while ago?

do lawyers get charged by other lawyers, or is there a unstated rule of not going after your own livelihood?

cyc · 30th March 2011, 12:58

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Originally Posted by tilde

won't lawyers then fall under the IRD law of tax evasion then, by paying themselves less than market rates? as discussed in the contractor thread a while ago?

do lawyers get charged by other lawyers, or is there a unstated rule of not going after your own livelihood?

There's so much tax evasion going on the IRD simply hasn't got the resources to prosecute everyone.

Saladin · 30th March 2011, 13:08

You say evasion, I say avoison.

CCS · 30th March 2011, 13:40

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Originally Posted by cyc

Well, I guess we can count on Phil Goff reducing GST/GST exempting fruit and veges to get us out of the hole we are in, eh, Adonis?

Don't forget, tax free first $5000! That won't cost the country too much...

cyc · 30th March 2011, 13:58

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Originally Posted by CCS

Don't forget, tax free first $5000! That won't cost the country too much...

Well, for general economic/social outcomes that probably is better than the National tax cuts, if we can afford it. But it still goes back to the underlying issue with Labour: it's not focused on growing the economy. JUST HAVE THE GOVMINT HAND OUT MORE MONEY AFTER WE'VE FUCKED EVERYONE ALL OVER.

Again, for what this is worth, National is out of ideas as well but a party with a massive lead in the polls can afford to be, at least for a while.

crocos · 30th March 2011, 14:33

<NinjaEdit: never mind - was on the prev page, thought it was the last page>

doppelgänger of someone · 30th March 2011, 14:37

I reckon hes isn't a coffee drinker. He likes his teabag.

Ab · 30th March 2011, 14:38

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Originally Posted by cyc

Again, for what this is worth, National is out of ideas as well but a party without an Opposition can afford to be.

Fixed that for you.

Vrtigo · 30th March 2011, 15:27

lol cock and balls, innuendo lolz

CCS · 30th March 2011, 16:54

Y'know, it defies belief that Goff just keeps giving interviews about how his handling of the whole thing. Not only can he not stop making gaffes every time he opens his mouth, he is keeping Hughes in the media spotlight and he's he's keeing his incompetence in the spotlight. I keep thinking "What would Helen have done?" Certainly she wouldn't keep talking about it. She would have (I assume) known about it all in the first instance because Hughes and King would've been too scared not to tell her promptly. A press release would be issued saying Hughes is on leave and she'd say nothing further. Any questions over Hughes potentially resigning would be flat out rebuffed, pure and simple.

But Goff? Can't stop talking! Gotta keep defending himself!

cyc · 30th March 2011, 17:02

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Originally Posted by CCS

But Goff? Can't stop talking! Gotta keep defending himself!

GOFF IS AWESOME, MUTHERFUCKER! The guy is clearly deluded.

Ab · 30th March 2011, 19:07

http://www.seek.co.nz/Job/19359222

CCS · 30th March 2011, 19:19

Lol, does that mean Fran Mold has been given the boot? Or... whoever the fuck does/did that job...

cyc · 30th March 2011, 19:31

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Originally Posted by chubby

wow.
can somebody kill this dick.
please.
he criticizes labour, while voting for the people who do(or dont do rather) exactly what he's bitching about.

pseudo intellectual indeed.

you suck cyc.

Hey Chubz, so you want me killed or that you think it's funny to joke about having me killed because I disagree with you politically. Are you kindred spirits with Mao and Uncle Joe? Do you realise what an awful person you are?

CCS · 30th March 2011, 19:45

I wonder if this thread is going on the OHP in his bedroom so his soft toy collection can laugh along with him.

cyc · 30th March 2011, 19:47

Be careful, Chubby might make a voodoo doll of you and CURSE you!

chubby · 30th March 2011, 20:06

well shucks....
y'all sure got me there.

madmaxii · 30th March 2011, 21:47

Great rejoinder Chubs

Ab · 2nd April 2011, 19:38

Summary from the Herald: "Labour's fucked and has given up on the next election. This is some crazy shit."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=10716514

StN · 3rd April 2011, 08:44

A salvo of covering fire just in case Parker was looking like a potential problem...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10716817

Don't rub another mans's rhubarb - especially if he has had a stroke and is a Kiwi icon!

fidgit · 3rd April 2011, 13:38

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-to-Parliament

Woo hoo!

Ab · 3rd April 2011, 13:59

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Originally Posted by StN

A salvo of covering fire just in case Parker was looking like a potential problem...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10716817

Don't rub another mans's rhubarb - especially if he has had a stroke and is a Kiwi icon!

Christ. I wonder who leaked that.

CCS · 3rd April 2011, 14:14

Clearly it was leaked from the PMs office.

Lightspeed · 3rd April 2011, 14:16

That that is something considered leak-worthy is one reason why I'd never touch politics. (Another reason being all the smack I've posted on NZG coming out.)

CCS · 3rd April 2011, 15:17

One lesbo out, another lesbo in!

spigalau · 4th April 2011, 15:20

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Originally Posted by CCS

Clearly it was leaked from the PMs office.

More likely from Goof's, as it could potentially nobble one of the guys that could fill his seat.

CCS · 4th April 2011, 15:22

When I said that I was making a joke, playing on the fact that Labour always blames everything as being a leak from the PMs office.

MrTTTT · 5th April 2011, 08:44

Goff is a giant knob but I deplore the excessive use of facepalm in this thread.

Golden Teapot · 5th April 2011, 08:49

I like goff as I've shared several times before.

What impresses me the most is that he's happy to stand there and share exactly what labour stands for and to not be swayed by anyone suggesting he should tone it down or pretend there is some other agenda.

crocos · 5th April 2011, 09:16

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Originally Posted by MrTTTT

Goff is a giant knob but I deplore the excessive use of facepalm in this thread.

But there simply is so much facepalm-worthy material here.

30th March 2011, 08:53	#128
Pimp-X Drunken Annoying Superhero Bastard	All he wanted to do was share coffee and gingernuts with the kid. __________________ If there is one movement I could get behind in this world, it would be the discrimination and abuse of fucking idiots.

30th March 2011, 10:09	#130
StN I have detailed files	. Last edited by StN : 30th March 2011 at 10:11.

30th March 2011, 16:54	#140
CCS Stunt Pants	Y'know, it defies belief that Goff just keeps giving interviews about how his handling of the whole thing. Not only can he not stop making gaffes every time he opens his mouth, he is keeping Hughes in the media spotlight and he's he's keeing his incompetence in the spotlight. I keep thinking "What would Helen have done?" Certainly she wouldn't keep talking about it. She would have (I assume) known about it all in the first instance because Hughes and King would've been too scared not to tell her promptly. A press release would be issued saying Hughes is on leave and she'd say nothing further. Any questions over Hughes potentially resigning would be flat out rebuffed, pure and simple. But Goff? Can't stop talking! Gotta keep defending himself! __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

30th March 2011, 19:07	#142
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	barn door, horse http://www.seek.co.nz/Job/19359222

30th March 2011, 19:19	#143
CCS Stunt Pants	Lol, does that mean Fran Mold has been given the boot? Or... whoever the fuck does/did that job... __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

29th March 2011, 22:51	#122
cyc Objection!	Well, at least I manage to make things better for people occasionally, Chubz. What's your "vote" at the mental asylum for the New Zealand Communists done for anybody? Have you finished reading your Karl Marx collection yet?

30th March 2011, 00:21	#126
cyc Objection!	Well, I guess we can count on Phil Goff reducing GST/GST exempting fruit and veges to get us out of the hole we are in, eh, Adonis? At some point, people need to stop talking about the Labour or National of the 1980s or 90s as though they define the present.

30th March 2011, 08:39	#127
xor	The Darren Hughes incident is quite the lol. I wonder what made the 18 year old run down the road naked trying to hitch a ride. Props to him though, he can say he's one level closer to Tucker Max. http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/tuc...oes-not-ensue/

30th March 2011, 09:00	#129
StN I have detailed files	Was there a long black involved...

30th March 2011, 13:08	#133
Saladin Nothing to See Here!	You say evasion, I say avoison.

30th March 2011, 14:33	#136
crocos	<NinjaEdit: never mind - was on the prev page, thought it was the last page> __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

30th March 2011, 14:37	#137
doppelgänger of someone	I reckon hes isn't a coffee drinker. He likes his teabag.

30th March 2011, 15:27	#139
Vrtigo Marginal Poster	lol cock and balls, innuendo lolz

30th March 2011, 19:45	#145
CCS Stunt Pants	I wonder if this thread is going on the OHP in his bedroom so his soft toy collection can laugh along with him. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

30th March 2011, 19:47	#146
cyc Objection!	Be careful, Chubby might make a voodoo doll of you and CURSE you!

30th March 2011, 20:06	#147
chubby	well shucks.... y'all sure got me there. __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

30th March 2011, 21:47	#148
madmaxii	Great rejoinder Chubs __________________ Carpe Diem

2nd April 2011, 19:38	#149
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Summary from the Herald: "Labour's fucked and has given up on the next election. This is some crazy shit." http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/ne...ectid=10716514

3rd April 2011, 08:44	#150
StN I have detailed files	A salvo of covering fire just in case Parker was looking like a potential problem... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10716817 Don't rub another mans's rhubarb - especially if he has had a stroke and is a Kiwi icon!

3rd April 2011, 13:38	#151
fidgit Always itchy	http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-to-Parliament Woo hoo! __________________ 4 7 2 3 9 8 5...1 4 2 9 7 8...14 16 22...36°

3rd April 2011, 14:14	#153
CCS Stunt Pants	Clearly it was leaked from the PMs office. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

3rd April 2011, 14:16	#154
Lightspeed	That that is something considered leak-worthy is one reason why I'd never touch politics. (Another reason being all the smack I've posted on NZG coming out.) __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

3rd April 2011, 15:17	#155
CCS Stunt Pants	One lesbo out, another lesbo in! __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

4th April 2011, 15:22	#157
CCS Stunt Pants	When I said that I was making a joke, playing on the fact that Labour always blames everything as being a leak from the PMs office. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

5th April 2011, 08:44	#158
MrTTTT	Goff is a giant knob but I deplore the excessive use of facepalm in this thread.

5th April 2011, 08:49	#159
Golden Teapot Love, Actuary	I like goff as I've shared several times before. What impresses me the most is that he's happy to stand there and share exactly what labour stands for and to not be swayed by anyone suggesting he should tone it down or pretend there is some other agenda.