Tri-Nations - NZ vs AU

ZoSo · 23rd July 2008, 13:30

High praise for Deans:
http://news.rugbyheaven.com.au/sport...0722-3j91.html

..and sweet, Mortlock is out:
http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/n...492447086.html

If McCaw's back, that's gotta swing it in our favour, surely.

Claymore · 23rd July 2008, 13:42

The ABs should win it, I think as a team they are gelling better as time goes on. They were unlucky to lose it against SA the other week and I feel that the ABs are the better 'team' in the Tri-Nations this year.

But I still don't know who will win it and am definately looking forward to the game

ZoSo · 23rd July 2008, 15:27

McCaw's out too:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4628384a1823.html

mr selfdestruct · 23rd July 2008, 18:02

'sif McCaw and Mortlock were ever going to play, I was amazed at how hopeful everyone sounded about their prospects last couple of days. You don't put someone in a Wallabies/All Blacks match unless they're 110%. Kahui vs Cross is going to be the KILLER contest! *rubs hands*

buckies · 24th July 2008, 14:32

I will stick my neck out and say that this won't be the epic battle that it's being sold as.

ABs in a canter by 8-14.

13+ is a tasty $3.25, for the bold amongst us. I would definitely back it with Leonard and McCaw. With Ellis' shit delivery to our backs, it may be quite difficult.

Glad the selectors have finally seen the light and gone with Tuitivake and Kahui. Those two will prove themselves again I'm sure.

blynk · 24th July 2008, 15:49

I thought Cowan was getting a start this week?

mr selfdestruct · 24th July 2008, 17:19

No blynk you're mental.

NZ will win by 1-7
Last Scoring Play NZ Conversion
HT Margin Australia 1-7
Hall/Full Double Australia/NZ
1st Try - Nonu
Point Start -2.5 NZ
H2H : NZ
Winning Team & Margin : NZ 12-

I'm a little concerned about us having so many starting changes to be honest. There is no question they're all fantastic individuals but can they pull it off as a team?

buckies · 25th July 2008, 18:39

If you hit the Aus/NZ halftime-fulltime then you'll be a happy man. I toyed with this idea but I back Carter's boot to much to opt for it.

I did get my $50 on NZ to take the tri-nations at $2.40. Very handsome odds in the wake of Saffa losing in the weekend.

Ab · 26th July 2008, 16:53

I'm picking AU by 1-11, more if Ali's ankle gives out.

chiQ · 26th July 2008, 18:15

How pervasive is Bro Town? I read the subject as NZ vs au...if you know what I mean.

Crazy.

I think it'll be a great game. I'd be a lot happier losing to the Aussies than I was when we lost to SA, but I'm hoping the ABs will win. I'll go for a margin of 3 (wild stab in the dark).

untouchable · 26th July 2008, 18:52

I hate to bandy around the most overused internet phrase of the moment but tonight should be EPIC. I just hope the weather doesnt fudge the sky signal.

NZ to win by 2. ( Trailling by 1 and a Carter drop goal in the dying minutes )

CARN THE AB'S

mr selfdestruct · 26th July 2008, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckies

If you hit the Aus/NZ halftime-fulltime then you'll be a happy man. I toyed with this idea but I back Carter's boot to much to opt for it.

I did get my $50 on NZ to take the tri-nations at $2.40. Very handsome odds in the wake of Saffa losing in the weekend.

dude you're keen, though we'll do it if we can get at least one away win and maybe a couple of bonus points.

Ended up with these bets:

Crazy Multi:
Australia/All Blacks Half/full Time
with
Warriors/Storm Half//full Time
$5 = $200

1st Stop/Scoring Play = throw in / AB Penalty

1st Try - D Carter ($5 = $90 return!)

Winning Margin Spread = AB's 1-7 points

mr selfdestruct · 26th July 2008, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I'm picking AU by 1-11, more if Ali's ankle gives out.

12 and under maybe?

pervy · 26th July 2008, 20:13

Off to get the train to olympic stadium in an hour

Cant wait, AB's FTW.

ZoSo · 26th July 2008, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by untouchable

I hate to bandy around the most overused internet phrase of the moment but tonight should be EPIC.

Yeah man. I haven't been this keen on a rugby game in ages. Just have to suffer the usual 2 hour bs buildup now :/

Quote:

Originally Posted by untouchable

NZ to win by 2. ( Trailling by 1 and a Carter drop goal in the dying minutes )

Now you're being silly. We want a lead and to keep it! Our closing while behind is a shocker and Carter's drops aren't that flash

Such a hard game to call. AB's by 7?

Haydos · 26th July 2008, 21:23

Unrelated but related

Sonny Bill just bailed on the Bulldogs and is off to France to play Rugby Union - should NZRU get in touch with him and suss him out about playing with a Dan Carter type sabbatical deal in his contract?

xor · 26th July 2008, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haydos

Unrelated but related

Sonny Bill just bailed on the Bulldogs and is off to France to play Rugby Union - should NZRU get in touch with him and suss him out about playing with a Dan Carter type sabbatical deal in his contract?

I don't see the NZRU sorting out a contract like that considering he broke his contract with the bulldogs to play Union in France.

blur^ · 27th July 2008, 00:39

fuck this im going to bed

JAYJAY · 27th July 2008, 00:40

Same.

Know me. · 27th July 2008, 00:46

THE WORST START TO A GAME BY THE ALL BLACKS I HAVE EVER SEEN. There were players who looked like they did not want to be on the field. I've never seen that before.

p-b · 27th July 2008, 00:47

Lauaki needs to be sent to the rugby equivilent of the Russian Front.

Kanz · 27th July 2008, 00:49

dingo deans

untouchable · 27th July 2008, 00:49

Yip lauaki had a terrible game.

We played well enough at times in the first 60 was a very good game to watch. last 20 or so was horrible.

Saladin · 27th July 2008, 00:54

Now I know where Epalahame gets it from

QWERTY? · 27th July 2008, 01:00

jesus lauaki...

prepare for the "why didnt we appoint deans" squad

roll on next week

Heresy · 27th July 2008, 01:00

I'm struggling to remember a game in recent memory where the AB's loss rested so much on the terrible performance of one player. I really hope Lauaki doesn't put on the black jersey again for a very long time. He completely lost that second half for us.

Ellis needs to go as well, can someone tell me why he's starting ahead of Cowan? Yes you scored a try, and yes you got subbed off straight after. That's because you're not doing your fucking job properly.

If I was religious I'd be praying every night for Leonard's quick recovery.

Charles · 27th July 2008, 01:07

I just cant wait for the headlines, and I live in WA where they don't give a shit about rugby =/

Ard Righ · 27th July 2008, 01:10

Penalty try anyone?

Ian Smith was right, they'll cut down rain forests talking about this game.

JERI · 27th July 2008, 01:14

Bugger me did we get out-played.

orpheus · 27th July 2008, 01:20

we cant blame one guy for this loss.

Helious · 27th July 2008, 01:27

Disgusting game of Rugby, made me question why I even bother.

I've lost all faith.

Ab · 27th July 2008, 02:17

Wallabies wanted it more and played better. Simple as that.

Congrats Robbie.

Ezekiel 25:17 · 27th July 2008, 02:34

Lauaki plays like its the warriors... not the All Blacks! Stop carrying the ball in one hand away from your body! Christ. Wasn't he the one who bought the dummy against SA to allow the winning try?

But also... we were sending like 2 people into the breakdowns at the sart and losing them all. Why do we always run it back? Even when there are 5 defenders to one runner.

And actually during the national anthems I commented to the people I was with that a bunch of the All Black players looked like they were bored and didn't really want to be there. How right that turned out to be...

We had some moments. Carter had some great runs. Hore's try was brilliant. Sivi played well.

Ab · 27th July 2008, 02:43

I thought Braid was doing well, why was he subbed off to bring Lauaki on?

Speaking of substitutions, WTF happened with Ellis-Cowan-Ellis-Cowan?

DeskJet · 27th July 2008, 03:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helious-

Disgusting game of Rugby, made me question why I even bother.

I've lost all faith.

lol good old NZ supporters

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I thought Braid was doing well, why was he subbed off to bring Lauaki on?

Speaking of substitutions, WTF happened with Ellis-Cowan-Ellis-Cowan?

I was confused when Braid went off also. Maybe due to the pace of the game he was low on match fitness ? Or they thought Lauaki would be a good "power" sub. No one could have predicted he would have that type of error rate.

Since I'm in Canada I was (unfortunately) forced to have the Aussie commentators. They went ballistic at the whole ellis-cowan thing. Basically Ellis was subbed off, then Cowan buggered up his knee, they made it a blood bin which allowed a previously subbed off halfback allowed to come back on. Aussie commentators went mental because there was no "blood" involved. It was however convenient timing for the Aussies as it was protested at the same time as what I thought should have been at least a penalty for Sivivatu being tackled without the ball right on the line.

We could never have won against a pumped up and on form Aussie side with those error numbers. I am still questioning Nonu's selection also. I do think we will do much better next week though (fingers crossed

)

Ab · 27th July 2008, 04:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeskJet

lol good old NZ supporters

I was confused when Braid went off also. Maybe due to the pace of the game he was low on match fitness ? Or they thought Lauaki would be a good "power" sub. No one could have predicted he would have that type of error rate.

Since I'm in Canada I was (unfortunately) forced to have the Aussie commentators. They went ballistic at the whole ellis-cowan thing. Basically Ellis was subbed off, then Cowan buggered up his knee, they made it a blood bin which allowed a previously subbed off halfback allowed to come back on. Aussie commentators went mental because there was no "blood" involved. It was however convenient timing for the Aussies as it was protested at the same time as what I thought should have been at least a penalty for Sivivatu being tackled without the ball right on the line.

We could never have won against a pumped up and on form Aussie side with those error numbers. I am still questioning Nonu's selection also. I do think we will do much better next week though (fingers crossed

)

Quote:

Law 3.12 - If a player is substituted, that player must not return and play in that match even to replace an injured player. Exception 1: a substituted player may replace a player with a bleeding or open wound.

"bleeding or open wound" my left nut, Cowan had a sore knee and needed to be iced and strapped, or as is more likely a painkilling injection.

blynk · 27th July 2008, 11:01

Well, most things have been said that I was going to say.

Lauaki has done 1 good thing in the last 3 games, and that was score a try last week. Every other time he has touched the ball he has lost it. That replay after the game showing when he had the ball stripped was shocking. Hold it against your body.
I bet if he ever plays again, you won't see him doing that.

I know half backs are more specialised, but why did we not bring on Donald, and use him, or Smith, or any other uninjured back as a Halfback. Why would we carry on with 2 "seriously" injured players?

After the first 15 minutes, I didn't care if we lost based on how bad we played. But after we got settled, and the number of line breaks, and the "cheating" aussies, I was back on our side.
That tackle off the ball was shocking.

2 things I think that rugby need to change is, let the video ref jump in more for this sort of thing, along with foul play.
Stop the time at scrums. From the time the whistle goes to call the scrum, to the time that the ball is put in, the time is stopped. If the scrum is reset, the time is stopped.
Not just because of how slow those last scrums were, but I remember a number of games where there was scrum after scrum, reset after reset. It wastes too much time.

ZoSo · 27th July 2008, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 25:17

But also... we were sending like 2 people into the breakdowns at the sart and losing them all.

They didn't even turn up with numbers for half the breakdowns right throughout the game!

Schooled by Deans. If Carter & Sivi didn't have the great running games they had, we would have been thrashed.

Terrible.

Rince · 27th July 2008, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoSo

we would have been thrashed..... by even more

correction :/

what I don't get is all week Rodney et al have been saying "we must play to game teh ref wants us to play".... so WTF doesn't our game plan change to include the sort of tactics Sharpe and Elsom were getting away with all night.... do they really want to have a post-game press conference like "we didn't win, but at least we didn't push the law to the limits unlike the opposition".... ffs, I say if they are getting away with it - then give it a go ourselves.....

mr selfdestruct · 27th July 2008, 11:39

I would have LOVED to have heard the Aussie commentary on that certain penalty try, I bet they ignored it COMPLETELY, dead silence in the box eh? Never in my life have I seen a better candidate for a penalty try. How fucking many times did Aussie get away with being off side? It was unbelievable!! Why the fuck was that muppet reffing such an important game again? Where was Jonathan Kaplin?? We put our best ref's in nz/sa matches why can't the other nations do the same? Let them learn reffing pacific nations matches not Bledisloe matches!

23rd July 2008, 18:02	#4
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	'sif McCaw and Mortlock were ever going to play, I was amazed at how hopeful everyone sounded about their prospects last couple of days. You don't put someone in a Wallabies/All Blacks match unless they're 110%. Kahui vs Cross is going to be the KILLER contest! rubs hands __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

24th July 2008, 17:19	#7
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	No blynk you're mental. NZ will win by 1-7 Last Scoring Play NZ Conversion HT Margin Australia 1-7 Hall/Full Double Australia/NZ 1st Try - Nonu Point Start -2.5 NZ H2H : NZ Winning Team & Margin : NZ 12- I'm a little concerned about us having so many starting changes to be honest. There is no question they're all fantastic individuals but can they pull it off as a team? __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

26th July 2008, 18:15	#10
chiQ Frag-muff	How pervasive is Bro Town? I read the subject as NZ vs au...if you know what I mean. Crazy. I think it'll be a great game. I'd be a lot happier losing to the Aussies than I was when we lost to SA, but I'm hoping the ABs will win. I'll go for a margin of 3 (wild stab in the dark). __________________ Gaming/phone/computing platforms are not indicative of groinal/physical/cognitive impressiveness.

27th July 2008, 11:39	#40
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	I would have LOVED to have heard the Aussie commentary on that certain penalty try, I bet they ignored it COMPLETELY, dead silence in the box eh? Never in my life have I seen a better candidate for a penalty try. How fucking many times did Aussie get away with being off side? It was unbelievable!! Why the fuck was that muppet reffing such an important game again? Where was Jonathan Kaplin?? We put our best ref's in nz/sa matches why can't the other nations do the same? Let them learn reffing pacific nations matches not Bledisloe matches! __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

23rd July 2008, 13:30	#1
ZoSo	Tri-Nations - NZ vs AU High praise for Deans: http://news.rugbyheaven.com.au/sport...0722-3j91.html ..and sweet, Mortlock is out: http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/n...492447086.html If McCaw's back, that's gotta swing it in our favour, surely.

23rd July 2008, 13:42	#2
Claymore	The ABs should win it, I think as a team they are gelling better as time goes on. They were unlucky to lose it against SA the other week and I feel that the ABs are the better 'team' in the Tri-Nations this year. But I still don't know who will win it and am definately looking forward to the game

23rd July 2008, 15:27	#3
ZoSo	McCaw's out too: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4628384a1823.html

24th July 2008, 14:32	#5
buckies	False media hype playing up a contest for as a marketing ploy... I will stick my neck out and say that this won't be the epic battle that it's being sold as. ABs in a canter by 8-14. 13+ is a tasty $3.25, for the bold amongst us. I would definitely back it with Leonard and McCaw. With Ellis' shit delivery to our backs, it may be quite difficult. Glad the selectors have finally seen the light and gone with Tuitivake and Kahui. Those two will prove themselves again I'm sure.

24th July 2008, 15:49	#6
blynk	I thought Cowan was getting a start this week?

25th July 2008, 18:39	#8
buckies	If you hit the Aus/NZ halftime-fulltime then you'll be a happy man. I toyed with this idea but I back Carter's boot to much to opt for it. I did get my $50 on NZ to take the tri-nations at $2.40. Very handsome odds in the wake of Saffa losing in the weekend.

26th July 2008, 16:53	#9
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I'm picking AU by 1-11, more if Ali's ankle gives out.

26th July 2008, 18:52	#11
untouchable	I hate to bandy around the most overused internet phrase of the moment but tonight should be EPIC. I just hope the weather doesnt fudge the sky signal. NZ to win by 2. ( Trailling by 1 and a Carter drop goal in the dying minutes ) CARN THE AB'S __________________ Teddy Bear Junction, the worst scumhole in the galaxy. Last edited by untouchable : 26th July 2008 at 18:55.

26th July 2008, 20:13	#14
pervy	Off to get the train to olympic stadium in an hour Cant wait, AB's FTW.

26th July 2008, 21:23	#16
Haydos	Unrelated but related Sonny Bill just bailed on the Bulldogs and is off to France to play Rugby Union - should NZRU get in touch with him and suss him out about playing with a Dan Carter type sabbatical deal in his contract?

27th July 2008, 00:46	#20
Know me.	THE WORST START TO A GAME BY THE ALL BLACKS I HAVE EVER SEEN. There were players who looked like they did not want to be on the field. I've never seen that before.

27th July 2008, 00:47	#21
p-b	Lauaki needs to be sent to the rugby equivilent of the Russian Front.

27th July 2008, 00:49	#23
untouchable	Yip lauaki had a terrible game. We played well enough at times in the first 60 was a very good game to watch. last 20 or so was horrible. __________________ Teddy Bear Junction, the worst scumhole in the galaxy.

27th July 2008, 00:54	#24
Saladin Nothing to See Here!	Now I know where Epalahame gets it from

27th July 2008, 01:00	#25
QWERTY?	jesus lauaki... prepare for the "why didnt we appoint deans" squad roll on next week __________________ please discontinue your lies.

27th July 2008, 01:00	#26
Heresy yawn.	I'm struggling to remember a game in recent memory where the AB's loss rested so much on the terrible performance of one player. I really hope Lauaki doesn't put on the black jersey again for a very long time. He completely lost that second half for us. Ellis needs to go as well, can someone tell me why he's starting ahead of Cowan? Yes you scored a try, and yes you got subbed off straight after. That's because you're not doing your fucking job properly. If I was religious I'd be praying every night for Leonard's quick recovery.

27th July 2008, 01:07	#27
Charles	I just cant wait for the headlines, and I live in WA where they don't give a shit about rugby =/

27th July 2008, 01:10	#28
Ard Righ	Penalty try anyone? Ian Smith was right, they'll cut down rain forests talking about this game.

27th July 2008, 01:14	#29
JERI	Bugger me did we get out-played. __________________ your intelligence has been insulted.

27th July 2008, 01:20	#30
orpheus Jedi Knight	we cant blame one guy for this loss.

27th July 2008, 01:27	#31
Helious	Disgusting game of Rugby, made me question why I even bother. I've lost all faith.

27th July 2008, 02:17	#32
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Wallabies wanted it more and played better. Simple as that. Congrats Robbie.

27th July 2008, 02:34	#33
Ezekiel 25:17	Lauaki plays like its the warriors... not the All Blacks! Stop carrying the ball in one hand away from your body! Christ. Wasn't he the one who bought the dummy against SA to allow the winning try? But also... we were sending like 2 people into the breakdowns at the sart and losing them all. Why do we always run it back? Even when there are 5 defenders to one runner. And actually during the national anthems I commented to the people I was with that a bunch of the All Black players looked like they were bored and didn't really want to be there. How right that turned out to be... We had some moments. Carter had some great runs. Hore's try was brilliant. Sivi played well.

27th July 2008, 02:43	#34
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I thought Braid was doing well, why was he subbed off to bring Lauaki on? Speaking of substitutions, WTF happened with Ellis-Cowan-Ellis-Cowan?

27th July 2008, 11:01	#37
blynk	Well, most things have been said that I was going to say. Lauaki has done 1 good thing in the last 3 games, and that was score a try last week. Every other time he has touched the ball he has lost it. That replay after the game showing when he had the ball stripped was shocking. Hold it against your body. I bet if he ever plays again, you won't see him doing that. I know half backs are more specialised, but why did we not bring on Donald, and use him, or Smith, or any other uninjured back as a Halfback. Why would we carry on with 2 "seriously" injured players? After the first 15 minutes, I didn't care if we lost based on how bad we played. But after we got settled, and the number of line breaks, and the "cheating" aussies, I was back on our side. That tackle off the ball was shocking. 2 things I think that rugby need to change is, let the video ref jump in more for this sort of thing, along with foul play. Stop the time at scrums. From the time the whistle goes to call the scrum, to the time that the ball is put in, the time is stopped. If the scrum is reset, the time is stopped. Not just because of how slow those last scrums were, but I remember a number of games where there was scrum after scrum, reset after reset. It wastes too much time.