The great combined Smrtphone OS thread - Page 7

crocos · 10th June 2008, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazmat

From the Voda site

"...will include great value data bundles..."

LOL ^_^

gandalf · 10th June 2008, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambchop

could some one post a direct link to the videocast please?

http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/j...cn_350_ref.mov

i only have IE here at work and it wont let me view source for the link .. grrr

Try this (1.18GB!),
http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/po...s/wwdc2008.m4v

Apple just added it to their "Keynotes" podcast via iTunes.

BadNova · 10th June 2008, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazmat

Spoke to a clued up Voda rep this afternoon and we're looking at about $800 for the 16GB on pre-pay, around $550-600 on a 2 year contract.
Love to know which currency conversion rate they're using cos on contract it should only be about $400. and..yes...it will have Voda-Live crap.

I'd be surprised if they sold it that cheap. Vodafone are assholes when it comes to phone pricing.

nostrom0 · 10th June 2008, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by nippun

Well, if the 8 GB pre-pay costs any more than $400, I am getting mine from the US. And hopefully, that one won't even have the voda-live crap. Not long before there is an unlocking mechanism for the 3G iPhone.

Don't you have to sign up to a plan to buy the 3g iphone in the US? You won't be able to buy it on its own.

BaM · 10th June 2008, 19:32

Something about it on TV3 news shortly...

BaM · 10th June 2008, 19:36

Just TV news fluff. NM.

Hazmat · 10th June 2008, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by nostrom0

Don't you have to sign up to a plan to buy the 3g iphone in the US? You won't be able to buy it on its own.

Yep. Activation will be in-store only at release time.
Can't find the source at present as I'm at work and shouldn't be surfing (naughty Haz...bah), but IIRC it was TUAW or Apple Insider had a link to an interview with the AT&T CEO

xin · 10th June 2008, 20:10

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/i...in-store-only/

zeekiorage · 10th June 2008, 21:19

Just scanning the Engadget coverage...

So Apple thinks it's bad implementation on Microsoft's part to let Windows mobile let applications run in the background because it drains phone's resources. They think better solution is to push messages through a proprietary push service that Apple will control and third party will subscribe to - I guess third parties will have to buy a license too. Hmmmm.

lektronimo · 10th June 2008, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeekiorage

Just scanning the Engadget coverage...

So Apple thinks it's bad implementation on Microsoft's part to let Windows mobile let applications run in the background because it drains phone's resources. They think better solution is to push messages through a proprietary push service that Apple will control and third party will subscribe to - I guess third parties will have to buy a license too. Hmmmm.

It is a bad implementation for MS; Apple gets more money this way.

PhX · 10th June 2008, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by lektronimo

It is a bad implementation for MS; Apple gets more money this way.

EXACTLY, smart business move, and how many chumps are going to pay for the the whats it called, mobileme.

On the pricing, this pic sums it up

zeekiorage · 10th June 2008, 23:39

Saw this posted on Shashdot about the official AT&T USA pricing...

Quote:

by Dzimas (547818)

From the apple site: "# Requires new 2-year AT&T rate plan, sold separately." In other words, there's no such thing as a $199 iPhone. Plans start at $59.99, so you're looking at a minimum outlay of $1638.76 plus tax over two years.

Oops. I forgot AT&T's $36 new line activation fee and their monthly Regulatory Cost Recovery Charge of up to $1.25. The grand total now stands at $1704.76.

PhX · 11th June 2008, 00:38

Just to eat my own words MobileMe actually looks like a very comprehensive service http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guided...tml?size=large

Pushing email and contacts sure thats fine and handy, but the idisk (same as the dropbox) system looks polished too. Wonder with the email if you have to use a [email protected] or you can use any old email account (gmail)...

Ashley · 11th June 2008, 03:50

Fuck this. I'm gonna go ahead and buy a 2G 1.14 phone now.

Noodles · 11th June 2008, 06:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley

Fuck this. I'm gonna go ahead and buy a 2G 1.14 phone now.

Good luck finding one anywhere in the states (unless ppl are already selling their ones on ebay)

BaM · 11th June 2008, 08:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeekiorage

Saw this posted on Shashdot about the official AT&T USA pricing...

Don't forget that number also includes two years of call and data plans...

Waldo · 11th June 2008, 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley

Fuck this. I'm gonna go ahead and buy a 2G 1.14 phone now.

i might have one for you should you still be looking in lets say a months time

NT_VlaD · 11th June 2008, 10:25

If its made by the same people who make spjas , it'll be an unreliable pile of shit that never connects to a pc regardless of how many times you install the software, then will mysteriously die after 1 month and need to be replaced with another one , which wont connect to a pc and then will mysteriously die after 1 month.....
is there an echo in here ?
here.

Wank factor / off the scale

lektronimo · 11th June 2008, 13:52

For whatever reasons MS got dealt with for using monopolistic practise, Apple is by far a greater threat in my opinion. Very scary how they are dictating terms for what is only a phone, and judging by this thread length there are plenty of tools who will give their fist born to get one. It's only a phone. There will be another one after that, and another better one after that.

Cheap Nokia phones I find on buses ftw yo!

Tarquin · 11th June 2008, 14:04

Monopoly means you're the only supplier, or you have so great a share of the market that you have a disproportionate advantage over everyone else. Apple don't even have that in smartphones, let alone the phone market overall.

There's no law against companies offering dictatorial terms in a competitive market. If they can do that and still have their stuff sell like hotcakes, well, they're obviously doing something right.

zeekiorage · 11th June 2008, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaM

Don't forget that number also includes two years of call and data plans...

Yes, I would be very disappointed if my sexy new 3G phone alone cost me 1700 USD over two years without any free data or calling time.

BaM · 11th June 2008, 19:27

Um, I'm talking about people freaking out over the total price.

Phone has to be worth around a grand $NZ. Take the difference and divide that by 24 months. How is that uber-expensive?

zeekiorage · 11th June 2008, 19:51

Um, the point of the Slashdot post, that I quoted, was that there is no $199 iPhone in USA.

Adakar · 12th June 2008, 00:23

they may not be that easy to get, although the law in some countries may make it easier than in others.
http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.p.../06/10/1229226

Sarge · 12th June 2008, 11:24

Well asking a mate at Vodafone reckons it will be around $800 without a contract :/.

Konev · 12th June 2008, 13:19

vodafone changed their statement to exclude prepay as well.

Quote:

iPhone 3G will be available via Vodafone on contract price plans which will include great value data bundles

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/personal/a...-iphone-3G.jsp

crocos · 12th June 2008, 13:54

"great value data plans" on a service that doesn't work half the time. Excitement plus!

Noodles · 12th June 2008, 13:57

Register your interest:

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/iphone/index.jsp

Ashley · 12th June 2008, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waldo

i might have one for you should you still be looking in lets say a months time

Where are you?

Furry Crew · 12th June 2008, 18:35

Soo just wanted to confirm....does iPhone 2.0 have bluetooth support???

Claymore · 12th June 2008, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furry Crew

Soo just wanted to confirm....does iPhone 2.0 have bluetooth support???

Seems so. http://www.apple.com/au/iphone/specs.html

tln · 12th June 2008, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furry Crew

Soo just wanted to confirm....does iPhone 2.0 have bluetooth support???

Yes, but apparantly only support for Bluetooth headsets.

Furry Crew · 13th June 2008, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by tln

Yes, but apparantly only support for Bluetooth headsets.

WTF that's a deal breaker right there....need it to work with the bluetooth head unit in my car

looks like it's Sony Ericsson again for me

Jodi · 13th June 2008, 13:13

Should I get an 8GB iPod Touch now, or an 8GB iPhone after July the 11th?

I'm leaning towards a touch now, and I was wondering what NZGames thinks?

====
1) I don't care that the iPhone is a cellphone. I would still get it if it wasn't.
2) The reason im even asking this is because the iPhone has GPS (touch doesn't). I could get an iPodTouch and gps in one.
3) What I use the GPS for is position logging so I can geotag photos. I can get a USB GPS stick that does this for $USD 55.
4) I currently spend $10/month on my cellphone (I have no friends).

Ok, so there are the reasons. Now lets talk abount the money.

1) iPhone will need to have a contract with it (I assume 2 year min)
2) cheapest contract is the Choose 20 ($20/month)
3) Exit fee for Choose 20 is $160
4) Since the exchange rate is falling, I'm gonna assume the iPhone will retail (with plan) for $299.95

So, unlocked phone will be at least $460 straight away, or $799 after 2 years.
Touch is $290, or $590 after 2 years (using my normal cellphone).

So if I can live without GPS (or buy it seperatly), the touch is still a better get.

=============
What does NZGames think?

iPodTouch NOW?
or
iPhone Later?
=============

doppelgänger of someone · 13th June 2008, 13:26

If you don't give a toss about the phone in iphone, then ipod touch is basically what you want.

I guess price is an important factor for you, in that case I say wait until iphone is out. Right now all the prices about iphone are guesstimates, so you are not comparing Apple with Apple. Also if you wait until iphone is out, there is a chance the ipod touch will drop its price by then. It is win-win if you can just wait a bit.

Unless you want the ipod touch like NOW NOW NOW.

Jodi · 13th June 2008, 13:34

Yea, I forgot to mention, I can only get the touch today for $290, after that someone else might get it

BadNova · 13th June 2008, 13:46

I'm wondering the same thing myself today actually. No cheap $290 touch here though

Hazmat · 13th June 2008, 13:49

I'd personally wait for the iPhone.
Better to have features and not use them, than not have features and need them IMHO.

Caesar · 13th June 2008, 16:31

Dam, I was told the iPhone was going to be available on pre pay.
I guess not.

chris · 13th June 2008, 16:58

I've got an 8G iPod Touch, had it for quite a while.
It's a great device and it lives in my pocket every single day, everywhere I go.
Great organiser, perfect for work & appointments. Contacts are great to browse through and the Google maps are great too. If you're going out on an unfamiliar trip just load up the path on Google maps from your wifi before you go.
Music/photos/videos are great (as they should be).

I want to get an iPhone because I use the organiser, contacts etc of the iTouch so why have a separate phone/weight in my pocket when I can just get my favorite gadget with a phone built in?
I'm going to wait though. I want to see them in action and make sure they get a chance to do some bug fixing before I fork out.
Luckily my work pays for all my phone usage, work & personal so I'm not worried about contract pricing etc.

So anyway, in my opinion you will just want an iPhone anyway after you use an iTouch for a while. I would just wait.

10th June 2008, 19:32	#245
BaM Freeloader	Something about it on TV3 news shortly...

10th June 2008, 19:36	#246
BaM Freeloader	Just TV news fluff. NM.

10th June 2008, 20:10	#248
xin	http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/i...in-store-only/

10th June 2008, 21:19	#249
zeekiorage	Just scanning the Engadget coverage... So Apple thinks it's bad implementation on Microsoft's part to let Windows mobile let applications run in the background because it drains phone's resources. They think better solution is to push messages through a proprietary push service that Apple will control and third party will subscribe to - I guess third parties will have to buy a license too. Hmmmm. __________________ The surest sign that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Bill Watterson

11th June 2008, 00:38	#253
PhX	Just to eat my own words MobileMe actually looks like a very comprehensive service http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guided...tml?size=large Pushing email and contacts sure thats fine and handy, but the idisk (same as the dropbox) system looks polished too. Wonder with the email if you have to use a [email protected] or you can use any old email account (gmail)...

11th June 2008, 03:50	#254
Ashley Fuck up Ashley	Fuck this. I'm gonna go ahead and buy a 2G 1.14 phone now.

11th June 2008, 10:25	#258
NT_VlaD	If its made by the same people who make spjas , it'll be an unreliable pile of shit that never connects to a pc regardless of how many times you install the software, then will mysteriously die after 1 month and need to be replaced with another one , which wont connect to a pc and then will mysteriously die after 1 month..... is there an echo in here ? here. Wank factor / off the scale

11th June 2008, 13:52	#259
lektronimo	For whatever reasons MS got dealt with for using monopolistic practise, Apple is by far a greater threat in my opinion. Very scary how they are dictating terms for what is only a phone, and judging by this thread length there are plenty of tools who will give their fist born to get one. It's only a phone. There will be another one after that, and another better one after that. Cheap Nokia phones I find on buses ftw yo!

11th June 2008, 14:04	#260
Tarquin	Monopoly means you're the only supplier, or you have so great a share of the market that you have a disproportionate advantage over everyone else. Apple don't even have that in smartphones, let alone the phone market overall. There's no law against companies offering dictatorial terms in a competitive market. If they can do that and still have their stuff sell like hotcakes, well, they're obviously doing something right.

11th June 2008, 19:27	#262
BaM Freeloader	Um, I'm talking about people freaking out over the total price. Phone has to be worth around a grand $NZ. Take the difference and divide that by 24 months. How is that uber-expensive?

11th June 2008, 19:51	#263
zeekiorage	Um, the point of the Slashdot post, that I quoted, was that there is no $199 iPhone in USA. __________________ The surest sign that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Bill Watterson

12th June 2008, 00:23	#264
Adakar	they may not be that easy to get, although the law in some countries may make it easier than in others. http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.p.../06/10/1229226

12th June 2008, 11:24	#265
Sarge	Well asking a mate at Vodafone reckons it will be around $800 without a contract :/.

12th June 2008, 13:54	#267
crocos	"great value data plans" on a service that doesn't work half the time. Excitement plus! __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

12th June 2008, 13:57	#268
Noodles Wireless Slacker	Register your interest: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/iphone/index.jsp

12th June 2008, 18:35	#270
Furry Crew	Soo just wanted to confirm....does iPhone 2.0 have bluetooth support??? __________________ "This ain't pain I'm feeling....it's nostalgia" Visit The O-bots

13th June 2008, 13:13	#274
Jodi	iPod Touch now? or iPhone later? Should I get an 8GB iPod Touch now, or an 8GB iPhone after July the 11th? I'm leaning towards a touch now, and I was wondering what NZGames thinks? ==== 1) I don't care that the iPhone is a cellphone. I would still get it if it wasn't. 2) The reason im even asking this is because the iPhone has GPS (touch doesn't). I could get an iPodTouch and gps in one. 3) What I use the GPS for is position logging so I can geotag photos. I can get a USB GPS stick that does this for $USD 55. 4) I currently spend $10/month on my cellphone (I have no friends). Ok, so there are the reasons. Now lets talk abount the money. 1) iPhone will need to have a contract with it (I assume 2 year min) 2) cheapest contract is the Choose 20 ($20/month) 3) Exit fee for Choose 20 is $160 4) Since the exchange rate is falling, I'm gonna assume the iPhone will retail (with plan) for $299.95 So, unlocked phone will be at least $460 straight away, or $799 after 2 years. Touch is $290, or $590 after 2 years (using my normal cellphone). So if I can live without GPS (or buy it seperatly), the touch is still a better get. ============= What does NZGames think? iPodTouch NOW? or iPhone Later? ============= __________________ "I distinctly remember leaving my God at home in my room where he won't interfere with my life." -Quan Zee Teng

13th June 2008, 13:26	#275
doppelgänger of someone	If you don't give a toss about the phone in iphone, then ipod touch is basically what you want. I guess price is an important factor for you, in that case I say wait until iphone is out. Right now all the prices about iphone are guesstimates, so you are not comparing Apple with Apple. Also if you wait until iphone is out, there is a chance the ipod touch will drop its price by then. It is win-win if you can just wait a bit. Unless you want the ipod touch like NOW NOW NOW.

13th June 2008, 13:34	#276
Jodi	Yea, I forgot to mention, I can only get the touch today for $290, after that someone else might get it

13th June 2008, 13:46	#277
BadNova	I'm wondering the same thing myself today actually. No cheap $290 touch here though

13th June 2008, 13:49	#278
Hazmat I Like Toast	I'd personally wait for the iPhone. Better to have features and not use them, than not have features and need them IMHO.

13th June 2008, 16:31	#279
Caesar	Dam, I was told the iPhone was going to be available on pre pay. I guess not.

13th June 2008, 16:58	#280
chris	I've got an 8G iPod Touch, had it for quite a while. It's a great device and it lives in my pocket every single day, everywhere I go. Great organiser, perfect for work & appointments. Contacts are great to browse through and the Google maps are great too. If you're going out on an unfamiliar trip just load up the path on Google maps from your wifi before you go. Music/photos/videos are great (as they should be). I want to get an iPhone because I use the organiser, contacts etc of the iTouch so why have a separate phone/weight in my pocket when I can just get my favorite gadget with a phone built in? I'm going to wait though. I want to see them in action and make sure they get a chance to do some bug fixing before I fork out. Luckily my work pays for all my phone usage, work & personal so I'm not worried about contract pricing etc. So anyway, in my opinion you will just want an iPhone anyway after you use an iTouch for a while. I would just wait.