The great combined Smrtphone OS thread - Page 15

Whiplash · 15th July 2008, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

-No, Macs suck..

The IPhone is a mac (with a phone built in

).

Rocket · 15th July 2008, 09:53

What kinda company subsidises iphone purchases? lawl.

Akane · 15th July 2008, 13:10

I was seriously considering the iPhone 3G, but I finally caved and impulse purchased a HTC Touch Diamond (Which I have eyed ever since it came out).

Diamond:
The Diamond's design is VERY slick, the edges, the high res screen, the size, I love the design to bits.

Interface is slow, but after some tweaks it's quite usable.

I bought the gaymax EU version (There is the Hong Kong version which came with GPS software and all the other goodies but only available from trademe, no warranty = bad), I managed to get chinese display font working.

TomTom 7 with NZ maps = omgz awesome.

Got TurboGPS with it as well, very nice raw GPS Co-ordinates display and compass looking thing.

Windows Mobile 6.1 is buggy as fuck still, crashed on me twice.

It's true, the accelerometer game is very good.

I couldn't get Wifi to work for a couple of hours I have NFI why it won't stay on, but now it's all good, NFI what I did but I was fucking with the router settings for a good hour.

Charge via USB, pretty much like the iPod.

OK camera, it couldn't handle DivX playback smoothly on landscape mode. high res and bitrate (3000k) wmv's are so laggy, but the "slideshow" was really high res and nice looking.

Not a bad phone, no regrets on the impulse buy. But only because I spent the whole night on the forums to tweak the shit out of it, out of the box it could've done better.

sackos · 15th July 2008, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

I was seriously considering the iPhone 3G, but I finally caved and impulse purchased a HTC Touch Diamond (Which I have eyed ever since it came out).

Diamond:
The Diamond's design is VERY slick, the edges, the high res screen, the size, I love the design to bits.

Interface is slow, but after some tweaks it's quite usable.

I bought the gaymax EU version (There is the Hong Kong version which came with GPS software and all the other goodies but only available from trademe, no warranty = bad), I managed to get chinese display font working.

TomTom 7 with NZ maps = omgz awesome.

Got TurboGPS with it as well, very nice raw GPS Co-ordinates display and compass looking thing.

Windows Mobile 6.1 is buggy as fuck still, crashed on me twice.

It's true, the accelerometer game is very good.

I couldn't get Wifi to work for a couple of hours I have NFI why it won't stay on, but now it's all good, NFI what I did but I was fucking with the router settings for a good hour.

Charge via USB, pretty much like the iPod.

OK camera, it couldn't handle DivX playback smoothly on landscape mode. high res and bitrate (3000k) wmv's are so laggy, but the "slideshow" was really high res and nice looking.

Not a bad phone, no regrets on the impulse buy. But only because I spent the whole night on the forums to tweak the shit out of it, out of the box it could've done better.

Kidona and myself decided to buy new phones seeing that our old ones were hitting the fan. I decided on the HTC Diamond and he with the IPhone. I must agree that i really like it. Love the UI and the high res of the screen. Pretty much spot on with Akane's comments.

Akane, can you give me links in regards to your tweaks that you did? Also, TomTom, whats the best way in going about installing with NZMaps?

Hazmat · 15th July 2008, 15:31

Fuck you. Fuck you Apple and your shiny shiny toys.

Went in to Voda this morning with the sole intention of grabbing a Motorola V9.
All sales staff were busy so I made the mistake of having a play with the iPhone.

Dammit all to hell.

Mmmm shiny.

Plan isn't actually that scary when I looked at my average monthly spend. About $4 extra and end up with 250MB I didn't have previously.

Again...fuck you Apple and your shinyness.

BadNova · 15th July 2008, 15:42

You sure showed them who's boss.

Hazmat · 15th July 2008, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNova

You sure showed them who's boss.

Hell yeah I did.
I'm actually surprised at how little data the iPhone uses.
Less than half a meg for couple of medium size web page views, noodling with Maps, sending a couple of emails, weather / stock check and facebook app.
Was expecting it to be a couple of meg at least.

Turned off 3G as our coverage here is teh suck

Spidey · 15th July 2008, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by sackos

Kidona and myself decided to buy new phones seeing that our old ones were hitting the fan. I decided on the HTC Diamond and he with the IPhone. I must agree that i really like it. Love the UI and the high res of the screen. Pretty much spot on with Akane's comments.

Akane, can you give me links in regards to your tweaks that you did? Also, TomTom, whats the best way in going about installing with NZMaps?

I'm actually leaning towards the diamond myself although the video lagness is the single biggest turnoff for the moment.

Akane · 15th July 2008, 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by sackos

Kidona and myself decided to buy new phones seeing that our old ones were hitting the fan. I decided on the HTC Diamond and he with the IPhone. I must agree that i really like it. Love the UI and the high res of the screen. Pretty much spot on with Akane's comments.

Akane, can you give me links in regards to your tweaks that you did? Also, TomTom, whats the best way in going about installing with NZMaps?

Hey

Yeap the high res of the phone is pretty damn good, and the light sensor that adjusts the brightness is a great idea.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/

I went there for tweaks it dramatically speed up the TouchFlo 3D, you have to install an app called "Advanced Settings" which lets you open up all the hidden features.

For TomTom, go to TPB, search for "TomTom Navigator" and you want version 7.450 (9028) and search for "tomtom zealand"
And if you can't work out what TPB stands for, I can't help you

sackos · 15th July 2008, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

And if you can't work out what TPB stands for, I can't help you

lol, all good man. Cheers for that bruddah!

lektronimo · 15th July 2008, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

I was seriously considering the iPhone 3G, but I finally caved and impulse purchased a HTC Touch Diamond (Which I have eyed ever since it came out).

Diamond:
The Diamond's design is VERY slick, the edges, the high res screen, the size, I love the design to bits.

Interface is slow, but after some tweaks it's quite usable.
<snip>

See that is exactly the problem with non-Apple shit. While I seriously cannot stand Apple and its entire business model, I will admit that the entire 'infrastructure' is fucking genius. By making the whole Apple 'feel' consistent within hardware and software, they can pretty much churn out any odd device which is guaranteed to work with minimum of fuss. Design wise, most of the Apple stuff exudes simplicity and great build quality; if you don't want the phone to creek in hand over time, remove the option of taking the battery compartment off.

But that is just the problem... by not giving users any options and overcharging for services, does this make it fair on any potential customers? In theory, yes but as long as you don't have any problems with the device which will require attention. This is the reason why I always viewed PC's as hardware for people that know what they are doing with computers, and Apple for anyone that doesn't give a shit.

Case point: HTC Diamond. Great phone according to Akane, but needs to have shit tweaked out of it before you can use it. Same with Symbian smartphones. Great tools, but too buggy and (from my experience) inconsistent between models. Anyway </rant> (sorry, had too much coffee). Maybe when the iphone price falls heaps, I might just get the damn thing.

Kidona · 15th July 2008, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by sackos

Kidona and myself decided to buy new phones seeing that our old ones were hitting the fan. I decided on the HTC Diamond and he with the IPhone. I must agree that i really like it. Love the UI and the high res of the screen. Pretty much spot on with Akane's comments.

It's been good comparing both phones side by side. We both use our phones for voice calls and exchange push mail which both seem to do the job real well. As a corporate device both phones pass with flying colours.

I've upgraded from a Nokia E61 (Full sized qwerty) and have found the adjustment to the touch keyboard on the iphone very easy so typing is a breeze.

I prefer the larger screen and the smoothness and simplicity of the iphone UI over the Diamond but that's just personal preference.

I'll let you all know when Sackos sells his Diamond

crocos · 15th July 2008, 18:17

"Full qwerty" prehaps, rather than "Full sized qwerty"?

Just got this image of you wandering around talking into one of those old IBM super-clicky keyboards

crocos · 15th July 2008, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

And if you can't work out what TPB stands for, I can't help you

I'm assuming you're not talking "Trade Paperback" but a certain website here...

sackos · 15th July 2008, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kidona

It's been good comparing both phones side by side. We both use our phones for voice calls and exchange push mail which both seem to do the job real well. As a corporate device both phones pass with flying colours.

I've upgraded from a Nokia E61 (Full sized qwerty) and have found the adjustment to the touch keyboard on the iphone very easy so typing is a breeze.

I prefer the larger screen and the smoothness and simplicity of the iphone UI over the Diamond but that's just personal preference.

I'll let you all know when Sackos sells his Diamond

Preference yes. I guess some features of the Diamond catered to me more in regards to the video calling feature, pxt messaging and other bits and pieces. I like to have video calls to some mates when im having a bonk you see. Still one thing though that pornstar Waldo does have and that would be a torch - iphone torch = the gay and the diamond torch = where is it?. As he mentioned to us via MSN "If we were on an island and a ship passed us by, he would be saved"

Kidona · 15th July 2008, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

"Full qwerty" prehaps, rather than "Full sized qwerty"?

Just got this image of you wandering around talking into one of those old IBM super-clicky keyboards

Sorry full qwerty :P

Akane · 15th July 2008, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by sackos

Preference yes. I guess some features of the Diamond catered to me more in regards to the video calling feature, pxt messaging and other bits and pieces. I like to have video calls to some mates when im having a bonk you see. Still one thing though that pornstar Waldo does have and that would be a torch - iphone torch = the gay and the diamond torch = where is it?. As he mentioned to us via MSN "If we were on an island and a ship passed us by, he would be saved"

Yeah no torch sucks, I guess it's redeemed by having such a slim body and "touch and press" Autofocus camera, you put your finger over the touch sensitive button and it focuses, and when you depress it, it takes the shot, I was fapping over that feature all night last night.

SpikE · 16th July 2008, 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

Dude, you're lazy. This is all answered in this thread and google.

-iPhone/touch doesn't show up as a hard drive, this causes issues for plenty of iPod programs.
-No, Macs suck.
-I assume so
-Uh, it's an iPod, of course its a decent music player
-Dude, if work is subsidising the purchase (and hopefully the monthly too), then
there is no reason not to buy one.

turning your iPhone or iPod Touch into a hand held wireless drive.
http://www.veiosoft.com/
coming 28 july 08

joker999 · 16th July 2008, 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpikE

turning your iPhone or iPod Touch into a hand held wireless drive.
http://www.veiosoft.com/
coming 28 july 08

sound fishy

Genesis · 16th July 2008, 04:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazmat

Hell yeah I did.
I'm actually surprised at how little data the iPhone uses.
Less than half a meg for couple of medium size web page views, noodling with Maps, sending a couple of emails, weather / stock check and facebook app.
Was expecting it to be a couple of meg at least.

Turned off 3G as our coverage here is teh suck

I walked into VF the other day just to see what all the hype was, in AU they are by far the most expensive provider and thus the only provider with iPhone in stock.

I'm thoroughly sold on one after spending 10-20 minutes using an iPhone. I tried getting one right there and then before my missus slapped me down.

Kanz · 16th July 2008, 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genesis

I'm thoroughly sold on one after spending 10-20 minutes using an iPhone. I tried getting one right there and then before my missus slapped me down.

Sorry what was that? All i read was "blah blah blah DOMINATED blah blah blah"

sackos · 16th July 2008, 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

TomTom 7 with NZ maps = omgz awesome.

errr, total fap fap over this. OMG, once i got used to it and played around wih it, it ended up totally rocking my world! hmm thats alot of "its"

t-dogg · 16th July 2008, 11:58

Any experience with the iphone 3g's GPS on NZ roads??

Kidona · 16th July 2008, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Any experience with the iphone 3g's GPS on NZ roads??

Was going to do some tests today will let you know.

Me and Sax went to a job this morning and drove from Papatoetoe to the North Shore today and we used GPS navigation using tomtom from Sackos's Diamond which I must admit was kick ass. I was very impressed hence my itch to compare it to the iPhone's GPS. Felt like there was an extra guy in the car giving us proper directions

Sarge · 16th July 2008, 14:21

Oooh wants me want to lean towards the Sony Xperia X1 now!!.
Just have to wait for it to be released :P

Kanz · 16th July 2008, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Oooh wants me want to lean towards the Sony Xperia X1 now!!.
Just have to wait for it to be released :P

Has an offical date been released? Looks like it could be 2009.

Looks nice but menus look painfully slow (the prototypes) any way...

Akane · 16th July 2008, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kidona

Was going to do some tests today will let you know.

Me and Sax went to a job this morning and drove from Papatoetoe to the North Shore today and we used GPS navigation using tomtom from Sackos's Diamond which I must admit was kick ass. I was very impressed hence my itch to compare it to the iPhone's GPS. Felt like there was an extra guy in the car giving us proper directions

The only thing that stopped me buying an iphone was that to use GPS you have to be on one of their plans, and then it costs you data usage doing so

How the fuck do I turn off 3G, I've "accidently" used 3G and I've burnt $25 worth of data. FUCK.

Cowboy · 16th July 2008, 17:06

wtf, you have to have a data plan to use GPS on the iphone? Does it use Google Maps or something?

If so, that's shit.

Sarge · 16th July 2008, 17:09

It does need a plan yeah, just don't sign up for a plan and buy the phone outright. I'm weighing on a iphone 3g or a sony xperia.

Already pay $10 a month on top of my plan for 2mb of data, so when the new data usage plan kicks in $1 for 10mb, win win!

Whiplash · 16th July 2008, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

The only thing that stopped me buying an iphone was that to use GPS you have to be on one of their plans, and then it costs you data usage doing so

Uh, really?
It has a GPS antennae in there, as well as a 3G one (and wifi, etc.)... so that would tell me that the GPS is independant of the 3G component... And if it fails on GPS it still uses cell tower triangulation soooo... yeah, happy to be proven wrong if you have an article to the contrary but otherwise that sounds incorrect.

edit: Ah, while you don't need a data plan for the GPS 'part', you kinda do need the data plan in order to get the updated Google Maps overlay in the process...

Hazmat · 16th July 2008, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akane

The only thing that stopped me buying an iphone was that to use GPS you have to be on one of their plans, and then it costs you data usage doing so

How the fuck do I turn off 3G, I've "accidently" used 3G and I've burnt $25 worth of data. FUCK.

Erm...you can switch off 3G and use "2G" GPRS but it's still data. Just slower.
3G just means 3rd generation GPRS.

How do you "accidentally" use $25 worth of data?
That's 2.5MB at current rates.
You had to have known?

Akane · 16th July 2008, 20:03

Yeah you need to pull stuff from google maps if you use the GPS. So you can do it with Wifi (which totally misses the point), or do it through mobile data.

I had weather updates + Quick GPS (GPS data) update + MSN + webpage, I was still new to the phone and didn't know that if it drops the Wifi, it automatically falls back onto mobile data, which is a neat feature but just not with Vodafone, I don't know what the pricing is with Vodafone prepay, like 10c per 10k or something? I know the new pricing which still ain't in effect yet is $1 per 10MB each day.

ala* · 16th July 2008, 20:07

after seeing the iphone 3g in the flesh and having a good play with it, my opinion is that maddox was sooo fucking right.

Sarge · 16th July 2008, 23:56

Wish I still had my Singaporean sim card. Can anyone confirm (outright) that the Iphone 3g sold in NZ is unlocked to any sim? Any issues with APN etc?

crocos · 17th July 2008, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Can anyone confirm (outright) that the Iphone 3g sold in NZ is unlocked to any sim? Any issues with APN etc?

APN changer was already advertised in this thread (or was it the Teleco & ISP forum version of this thread?)

Vodafone have advertised $80 to unlock, so fair to assume that if brought outright (because you want a different plan, for example) would still need to fork over additional $$ to unlock.

Adakar · 17th July 2008, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowboy

wtf, you have to have a data plan to use GPS on the iphone? Does it use Google Maps or something?

If so, that's shit.

It's assisted GPS, so uses the mobile network to offload the heavy-lifting.

Blatant copy & paste from http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardw...g-review.ars/5

Quote:

Originally Posted by URL^^

The iPhone's GPS is an Assisted GPS (A-GPS for short), which means that an Assistance Server is called over the cellular network to both offload and speed up the location acquisition process. Assistance Servers have a better satellite signal and more computing power, so the iPhone 3G can conserve its battery and do less work while still obtaining accurate location information.

Konev · 17th July 2008, 01:21

does the HTC have a genuine GPS or is it the same as the iphone?

not really worried as i have a real GPS (not a pancy road one either) but its a fancy gadget feature and i kinda like them

Ashley · 17th July 2008, 16:07

I has iPhone. So much fun

The Great Curve · 17th July 2008, 23:05

Anyone tried this TV Listings app yet?

Charismo' · 17th July 2008, 23:48

buy shares in rakon :P.

15th July 2008, 09:53	#562
Rocket	What kinda company subsidises iphone purchases? lawl.

15th July 2008, 13:10	#563
Akane	I was seriously considering the iPhone 3G, but I finally caved and impulse purchased a HTC Touch Diamond (Which I have eyed ever since it came out). Diamond: The Diamond's design is VERY slick, the edges, the high res screen, the size, I love the design to bits. Interface is slow, but after some tweaks it's quite usable. I bought the gaymax EU version (There is the Hong Kong version which came with GPS software and all the other goodies but only available from trademe, no warranty = bad), I managed to get chinese display font working. TomTom 7 with NZ maps = omgz awesome. Got TurboGPS with it as well, very nice raw GPS Co-ordinates display and compass looking thing. Windows Mobile 6.1 is buggy as fuck still, crashed on me twice. It's true, the accelerometer game is very good. I couldn't get Wifi to work for a couple of hours I have NFI why it won't stay on, but now it's all good, NFI what I did but I was fucking with the router settings for a good hour. Charge via USB, pretty much like the iPod. OK camera, it couldn't handle DivX playback smoothly on landscape mode. high res and bitrate (3000k) wmv's are so laggy, but the "slideshow" was really high res and nice looking. Not a bad phone, no regrets on the impulse buy. But only because I spent the whole night on the forums to tweak the shit out of it, out of the box it could've done better. Last edited by Akane : 15th July 2008 at 13:14.

15th July 2008, 15:31	#565
Hazmat I Like Toast	Fuck you. Fuck you Apple and your shiny shiny toys. Went in to Voda this morning with the sole intention of grabbing a Motorola V9. All sales staff were busy so I made the mistake of having a play with the iPhone. Dammit all to hell. Mmmm shiny. Plan isn't actually that scary when I looked at my average monthly spend. About $4 extra and end up with 250MB I didn't have previously. Again...fuck you Apple and your shinyness.

15th July 2008, 15:42	#566
BadNova	You sure showed them who's boss.

15th July 2008, 18:17	#573
crocos	"Full qwerty" prehaps, rather than "Full sized qwerty"? Just got this image of you wandering around talking into one of those old IBM super-clicky keyboards __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

16th July 2008, 11:58	#583
t-dogg	Any experience with the iphone 3g's GPS on NZ roads??

16th July 2008, 14:21	#585
Sarge	Oooh wants me want to lean towards the Sony Xperia X1 now!!. Just have to wait for it to be released :P

16th July 2008, 17:06	#588
Cowboy	wtf, you have to have a data plan to use GPS on the iphone? Does it use Google Maps or something? If so, that's shit.

16th July 2008, 17:09	#589
Sarge	It does need a plan yeah, just don't sign up for a plan and buy the phone outright. I'm weighing on a iphone 3g or a sony xperia. Already pay $10 a month on top of my plan for 2mb of data, so when the new data usage plan kicks in $1 for 10mb, win win!

16th July 2008, 20:03	#592
Akane	Yeah you need to pull stuff from google maps if you use the GPS. So you can do it with Wifi (which totally misses the point), or do it through mobile data. I had weather updates + Quick GPS (GPS data) update + MSN + webpage, I was still new to the phone and didn't know that if it drops the Wifi, it automatically falls back onto mobile data, which is a neat feature but just not with Vodafone, I don't know what the pricing is with Vodafone prepay, like 10c per 10k or something? I know the new pricing which still ain't in effect yet is $1 per 10MB each day.

16th July 2008, 20:07	#593
ala*	after seeing the iphone 3g in the flesh and having a good play with it, my opinion is that maddox was sooo fucking right.

16th July 2008, 23:56	#594
Sarge	Wish I still had my Singaporean sim card. Can anyone confirm (outright) that the Iphone 3g sold in NZ is unlocked to any sim? Any issues with APN etc?

17th July 2008, 01:21	#597
Konev	does the HTC have a genuine GPS or is it the same as the iphone? not really worried as i have a real GPS (not a pancy road one either) but its a fancy gadget feature and i kinda like them

17th July 2008, 16:07	#598
Ashley Fuck up Ashley	I has iPhone. So much fun

17th July 2008, 23:05	#599
The Great Curve	Anyone tried this TV Listings app yet?

17th July 2008, 23:48	#600
Charismo'	buy shares in rakon :P.