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CCS · 17th April 2009, 14:29

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Originally Posted by gentle

OK don't have a ninny about it.

I'd like to add an on topic response from the press council regarding accuracy for those proof-reading trainspotters / losers:

"It is unfortunate when an error makes it into a news publication. It does happen that people are inconvenienced and sometimes this is of significant import. However, it is neither possible nor reasonable to expect that every fact of every story is checked prior to publication. There would be no news reporting if verification of every single fact had to occur. Some information must be taken on face value." [my emphasis]

That may be acceptable if it weren't for the fact that newspapers use it as a cover-all excuse for being incompetent.

gentle · 17th April 2009, 14:41

It's a huge conspiracy, that's why you don't read about it in the newspa.. I've said too much.

Rince · 17th April 2009, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by gentle

OK don't have a ninny about it.

I'd like to add an on topic response from the press council regarding accuracy for those proof-reading trainspotters / losers:

"It is unfortunate when an error makes it into a news publication. It does happen that people are inconvenienced and sometimes this is of significant import. However, it is neither possible nor reasonable to expect that every fact of every story is checked prior to publication. There would be no news reporting if verification of every single fact had to occur. Some information must be taken on face value." [my emphasis]

what a cop-out.... I do expect a reasonable level of checking and proofreading....

fucking slipping standards..... fuckers

CCS · 17th April 2009, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Rince

what a cop-out.... I do expect a reasonable level of checking and proofreading...

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if the reporter actually understands the story they're writing about.

gentle · 17th April 2009, 15:45

If you compare reporting by newspaper staff to that of the omnipresent super reporter bot 5000TM it's really hard for them live up to the same standards. But I guess you can't. Because super reporter bot 5000TM doesn't exist.

Referring to a common hueristic: quality / speed / cost. I'm not going to elucidate on that as I'm pretty sure everyone understands what a deadline is and how that affects news reporting.

Hindsight is an exact science. Reporting is not.

CCS · 17th April 2009, 16:00

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Originally Posted by CCS

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if the reporter actually understands the story they're writing about.

BillHague · 17th April 2009, 16:41

No jail for child pornographer

Ok, wait. I could be completely wrong here, but I was under the impression that to be a pornographer, you had to actually make porn. As opposed to view it.

Otherwise, I think everyone on this forum can pretty much put down "pornographer" on their CV.

StN · 17th April 2009, 19:57

The real question is, would Stuff reporters pass a Turing test?

xin · 17th April 2009, 20:28

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Originally Posted by StN

The real question is, would Stuff reporters pass a Turing test?

I'll find out on monday.

gentle · 18th April 2009, 15:08

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Originally Posted by StN

The real question is, would Stuff reporters pass a Turing test?

You think reporters are machines?

Since you don't know what a Turing test is, here's some reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

StN · 18th April 2009, 15:30

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Originally Posted by gentle

You think reporters are machines?

<link>a test of a machine's ability to demonstrate intelligence<bobbit>

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

Sometimes I wonder if the reporter actually understands the story they're writing about.

Yes - sometimes the articles are about as useful as something Eliza would spout.

CCS · 18th April 2009, 16:06

Gentle is such an apologist for lousy journalism that I have to wonder if his dads are hacks.

Endymion · 19th April 2009, 10:45

Today's poll:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuff

Do Kiwis pay too much for electricity?

Yes, we're being gauged

No, we've got it easy

The price is right for our situation

I wish Stuff would take the digg/delicious/facebook/etc buttons away from the bottoms of their articles, because I think their lack of attention to detail is a bad reflection upon us as a nation.

Rince · 19th April 2009, 11:11

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Originally Posted by CCS

dads are hacks.

nice

Whiplash · 20th April 2009, 17:19

While I applaud Stuff for trying to raise interest in cool stuff like space, I think it's safe to say these guys were timelined around the time of black baby jesus.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/23469...-star-nursery/

StN · 20th April 2009, 17:43

Luse · 21st April 2009, 01:06

Neither of these are Sean Marks

Endymion · 21st April 2009, 13:36

Reverse causality

Saladin · 21st April 2009, 19:30

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WARRIORS: Lance Hohaia, Denan Kemp, Simon Mannering, Jerome Ropati, Manu Vatuvei, Joel Moon, Stacey Jones, Sam Rapira, Ian Henderson, Steve Price (captain), Ben Matulino, Jacob Lillyman, Micheal Luck. Interchange: Nathan Fien, Russell Packer, Jesse Royal, Ben Matulino, Patrick Ah Van.

So good they named him twice.

Macca@Work · 21st April 2009, 19:36

Lollocoptor

Dusty · 22nd April 2009, 10:05

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...inals-may-kill

Desperate hard-line criminals may kill police and victims to avoid being caught and sent to jail?? No wai!

JP · 22nd April 2009, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Dusty

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...inals-may-kill

Desperate hard-line criminals may kill police and victims to avoid being caught and sent to jail?? No wai!

A lot of people are totally retarded when it comes to the issue of crime. I'm sure that's quite a surprise for a lot of people. Harsher penalties != less crime. Infact it often results in worse crime. It's time to move on from the ignorant focus on punishment as the solution. It's only a solution to the helplessness we feel. Punishment is a seperate issue from crime reduction for the most part. If we want criminals punished harshly for what they've done, well then we can look at punishing them, but people need to stop thinking it's any kind of solution to anything.

Markh · 22nd April 2009, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Dusty

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...inals-may-kill

Desperate hard-line criminals may kill police and victims to avoid being caught and sent to jail?? No wai!

Prisoners 'acting up' if they don't have a chance at parole anyway? Surely there can still be punishments for bad behaviour and rewards for good behaviour, even if you aren't going to ever let the murderer out?

"The policies aim to improve public safety through deterrence and by locking up serious recidivists for longer."

I can see the benefit of locking up serious recidivists for longer - it makes sense really. Improving public safety through deterrence probably won't happen though - in the USA where there is the death penalty for murder in many states there are still people being murdered.

Juju · 24th April 2009, 10:12

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Originally Posted by NZ Herald headline

Fingerprints on bloody rifle were Bain's, court told

Noooooooooooooo. Really?!

CCS · 24th April 2009, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP

A lot of people are totally retarded when it comes to the issue of crime.

It's a good thing you're a criminologist and have this thing licked. All that's needed now is for you to educate the retards on the Proper Way to go about dealing with criminals.

blynk · 24th April 2009, 13:16

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Originally Posted by Juju

Noooooooooooooo. Really?!

Haha, thats great

zeekiorage · 27th April 2009, 00:13

Looks like someone pressed the submit button too soon...

badassmofo · 29th April 2009, 00:03

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/2...uries-clear-up

Got lazy image post?

BillHague · 30th April 2009, 16:40

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/2375940...or-1994-murder

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White supremacist executed for 1994 murder

A Georgia convict has been executed for the murder of a follower of his white supremacist group.

William Mark, 52, was put to death Wednesday by lethal injection at the state prison at Jackson, the second person executed in Georgia this year.

Mize was convicted of the October 1994 murder of Eddie Tucker, who was shot after he failed to follow orders to burn down what Mize considered to be a crack house in Athens.

Prosecutors say Mize shot Tucker in the head with a shotgun after leading him into some woods.

Mize's attorneys sought this week to block the execution. But an appeals court dismissed their appeals and the US Supreme Court also rejected a request to stay the execution.

Must be a miscarriage of justice, executing Mark when Mize was convicted of the murder.

Saladin · 4th May 2009, 13:47

Witness the amazing hidden power of magnets! Not only can they heal back injuries, provide power perpetually and clean your clothes but they can now hold political office!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/2382509...anama-election

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Supermarket magnet wins Panama election

NEW PRESIDENT: Supermarket magnet Ricardo Martinelli has won elections in Panama.

Multimillionaire supermarket magnate Ricardo Martinelli has won Panama's presidential election, bucking a trend of left-wing leadership wins in Latin America.

Third time lucky eh Mr. Reuters?

caffiend · 4th May 2009, 17:26

Pfft @ Supermarket magnets.

I only get my magnets from intergalactic space pirates.

A Corpse · 5th May 2009, 00:19

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Originally Posted by caffiend

Pfft @ Supermarket magnets.

I only get my magnets from intergalactic space pirates.

Budget bunch of pirates if they need to travel multiple galaxies to find suitable victims. Somali pirates find them within a few hundred KM!

Luse · 5th May 2009, 01:03

I know this is typical media sensationalism but it irks me:

Headline on stuff main page:

Quote:

Wife 'feared' shooting
Margaret Bain was worried her husband would get a gun and shoot the whole family, the High Court was told today.

Headline on story:

Quote:

Bain trial: Wife 'worried about shooting'
"Mrs Dunne [a possible defence witness] is going to say that Margaret said Robin might get a gun and kill the whole family due to his depression. Was anything like that said to you?"

Clark said Margaret had never said anything about depression.

Womans Day type stuff should have no place in a 'news' website. I saw this part on 3 News this evening and she basically said hell no.

StN · 5th May 2009, 08:51

How do those linking algorithms work..?

blynk · 5th May 2009, 09:21

Wrong photo?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10570393
Can't be bothered screen capturing it and all that jazz.

CCS · 5th May 2009, 09:37

Looks right to me... why, what are you seeing?

StN · 5th May 2009, 09:46

They've fixed it - it did show an aircraft cabin with asian hostees swine-flu masked up.

Dusty · 5th May 2009, 14:49

WTF is up with Stuff and their article on 'spooky' ghost photos. All of which are obviously done with Digital cameras set w/ slow shutter speeds as someone walked into frame. My god! It's like the laziest peice of journalism I've seen to date! And the fact it gets 'front page' status is a joke!
This is not 'news' - this is Facebook-like crap.
New low Stuff - new low.

Trigger · 5th May 2009, 15:03

Stuff - the only publication where new lows are reached every week!

A Corpse · 5th May 2009, 17:24

Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to reach at least one new low every week, 52 new lows per year? How long has stuff been running, a decade? OVER 500 new lows attained! What have you achieved in that time? 2, 3, 5 new lows? Pffft.

18th April 2009, 16:06	#572
CCS Stunt Pants	Gentle is such an apologist for lousy journalism that I have to wonder if his dads are hacks. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

20th April 2009, 17:43	#576
StN I have detailed files	Make up your mind...

5th May 2009, 08:51	#594
StN I have detailed files	Not from Stuff but... How do those linking algorithms work..?

5th May 2009, 09:37	#596
CCS Stunt Pants	Looks right to me... why, what are you seeing? __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

5th May 2009, 15:03	#599
Trigger Laserman	Stuff - the only publication where new lows are reached every week! __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

17th April 2009, 14:41	#562
gentle	It's a huge conspiracy, that's why you don't read about it in the newspa.. I've said too much.

17th April 2009, 15:45	#565
gentle	Last post on this I promise... If you compare reporting by newspaper staff to that of the omnipresent super reporter bot 5000TM it's really hard for them live up to the same standards. But I guess you can't. Because super reporter bot 5000TM doesn't exist. Referring to a common hueristic: quality / speed / cost. I'm not going to elucidate on that as I'm pretty sure everyone understands what a deadline is and how that affects news reporting. Hindsight is an exact science. Reporting is not.

17th April 2009, 16:41	#567
BillHague	No jail for child pornographer Ok, wait. I could be completely wrong here, but I was under the impression that to be a pornographer, you had to actually make porn. As opposed to view it. Otherwise, I think everyone on this forum can pretty much put down "pornographer" on their CV. Last edited by BillHague : 17th April 2009 at 16:44.

17th April 2009, 19:57	#568
StN I have detailed files	The real question is, would Stuff reporters pass a Turing test?

20th April 2009, 17:19	#575
Whiplash Bobo Fettish	While I applaud Stuff for trying to raise interest in cool stuff like space, I think it's safe to say these guys were timelined around the time of black baby jesus. http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/23469...-star-nursery/

21st April 2009, 01:06	#577
Luse	Neither of these are Sean Marks

21st April 2009, 13:36	#578
Endymion	Reverse causality __________________ "Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal." - Felipe Coronel

22nd April 2009, 10:05	#581
Dusty	http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...inals-may-kill Desperate hard-line criminals may kill police and victims to avoid being caught and sent to jail?? No wai!

27th April 2009, 00:13	#587
zeekiorage	Looks like someone pressed the submit button too soon... __________________ The surest sign that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Bill Watterson

29th April 2009, 00:03	#588
badassmofo	http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/2...uries-clear-up Got lazy image post?

4th May 2009, 17:26	#591
caffiend	Pfft @ Supermarket magnets. I only get my magnets from intergalactic space pirates. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy these days?

5th May 2009, 09:21	#595
blynk	Wrong photo? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10570393 Can't be bothered screen capturing it and all that jazz.

5th May 2009, 09:46	#597
StN I have detailed files	They've fixed it - it did show an aircraft cabin with asian hostees swine-flu masked up.

5th May 2009, 14:49	#598
Dusty	WTF is up with Stuff and their article on 'spooky' ghost photos. All of which are obviously done with Digital cameras set w/ slow shutter speeds as someone walked into frame. My god! It's like the laziest peice of journalism I've seen to date! And the fact it gets 'front page' status is a joke! This is not 'news' - this is Facebook-like crap. New low Stuff - new low.

5th May 2009, 17:24	#600
A Corpse talkative lurker	Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to reach at least one new low every week, 52 new lows per year? How long has stuff been running, a decade? OVER 500 new lows attained! What have you achieved in that time? 2, 3, 5 new lows? Pffft. __________________ Broke my addiction! Bye bye Eve, hello Minecraft. Wait... >_<