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That's cool but no one signed up to co-governance.
The clue is in the fact those words aren't used. Continued authority over *their* (o ratou) resources [those which they possessed] was granted. Not authority over *all* natural resources. One Maori chief did not have authority over another Maori chief's land just because they were also Maori and were somehow magic guardians of natural resources. It's a simple recognition of property rights. It was reassurance that they could still run their shit /while they owned it/, but once it was going to be sold the Queen had dibs. Immediately after describing how they had authority over the resources they possessed, it detailed how the Queen had first option when they wanted to sell (dispose of - no longer possess) said resources. If the connection was not made between ownership and authority and dispossession/relinquishing authority, then that's not our problem 150 years later. Clearly now they don't possess all resources. No possession, no authority. Any land/resources that are still in their possession, are still under their authority. But there's no magic "therefore co-governance" just because once upon a time property rights were mentioned over resources that they valued and possessed which they still value but no longer possess. TLDR: All they signed up for were property rights.
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19th March 2024, 08:14 | #202 |
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Article 1 gifts Kawanatanga (governance) and what this looks like is made clearer by Article 2 with Maori retaining Tino Rangatiratanga (chiefly authority).
Claiming Maori just willingly gave up their country is a wild take.
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Because reading the words at face value (of the Maori version which is supposed to say something different to the English which is obviously not what you claim), to me they say no such thing. It seems awfully clear. Article 1 says "The chiefs of the Confederation and all the chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land." That's a big difference from what you're claiming. I already addressed Article 2 and how it's basically property rights (control/authority) over resources in their possession (ie, they did not have to surrender all their property/land, which may well have been a concern). It certainly does not give them complete control/authority over *all* natural resources. From memory [which is fallible] the treaty claims used to be based around "stolen land" or dishonest deals. At some point in the last 20 years it's moved from being "the contract was broken by theft and we lost possession unfairly" [and I was not present during any of the deals or agreements, so I can only assume someone DID take advantage at some point and these may have been valid objections] to "this contract actually says we went 50/50 in the country and are not subjects of the Queen at all, and we want Maori descendants to have superior voting power". To that, it's a hard disagree from me. And they didn't "give up willingly" - there were wars and fighting and bloodshed, and the Treaty was a way to put an end to this and become what was meant to be a civil society, living as one people under the protection of the Queen. Can you please address my point about whether one Maori chief has authority over the land of another Maori chief, on the basis that they are both Maori? Because I think this point makes it clear that chiefs maintain authority only over *that which they possess* and not authority over all resources in the entire country. From there, the rest follows.
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19th March 2024, 13:43 | #204 |
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It's real funny how indigenous partnership over stewardship of resources is just like Nazi Germany.
I mean, if I look around the world, the closest thing I can find to Nazi Germany is in the Middle East right now. But apparently that's all right and just. Interesting times I suppose.
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20th March 2024, 09:40 | #205 | |
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Rt Hon Winston Peters - Media Misrepresentation, Inconsistency, And Dripping Bias
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20th March 2024, 18:30 | #206 |
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I get what Winston is trying to achieve here - publicity for himself - but I hope nobody informs him that almost all Olympic sprint champions are East African, or that almost all Nobel physics and maths winners are Ashkenazi Jewish.
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20th March 2024, 19:09 | #207 |
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Good to see Winston branching out from his pakeha boomer base to getting those sweet post-covid antisocial/antivax/dunning Kruger votes.
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20th March 2024, 19:10 | #208 |
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I liked how he called out the media for effectively narking on him to Chumbawumba ("lefty shill!") lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BErpayBeV5s Thank you, thank you, I voted for this entertainment. Our politics would be boring as hell without him.
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20th March 2024, 21:23 | #209 |
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Anyone who thinks this isn't exactly what Winston wanted to happen needs to wake up.
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20th March 2024, 21:36 | #210 |
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20th March 2024, 22:26 | #211 |
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Is it what Luxon wants?
Maybe this Winston business is good cover. I feel having van Velden front for a lot of these ridiculous decisions is working for National.
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21st March 2024, 12:56 | #212 |
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The unprecedented power the government is handing three of its ministers under its new Fast Track Approval Bill
At least it's not Three Waters, amirite?
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28th March 2024, 17:19 | #213 |
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28th March 2024, 20:36 | #214 |
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I believe the phrase is “full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries”
The Crown doesn’t get to tell iwi where they can and can’t catch fish. Te Tiriti, bitches. |
29th March 2024, 01:02 | #215 |
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God defend the asteroid.
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The Crown is capable of engaging with iwi and enacting legislation with their cooperation. The current representatives of the Crown have other priorities however.
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If Maori start getting too much say over local resources, we cry "save our democracy!"
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4th April 2024, 14:37 | #218 |
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Confidence in Government collapses
Voter confidence about whether NZ is on the right track or wrong track collapsed in March by more than during the late-2021 lockdowns https://thekaka.substack.com/p/confi...ment-collapses |
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I tend to think our population is still divided (ideologically), many struggling financially, and concerned about the future and whether anyone has an actual plan or if we're just fumbling along. We previously had a useless government that the media defended at all costs, now we have a new government that the media is attacking constantly. If you get your perspective from what the media tells you, you're probably shocked. If you don't watch the news but only see the outrage clips, it's comical. Things don't change overnight, but the news is on every day, so there are far more opportunities to be outraged than celebrate the progress made.
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I feel this will be the constant stream of headlines over the next 6-12 months
mental-health-minister-scrambles-suicide-prevention-office-caught-cuts The other week it was disabilities. The government running around "Cuts, Cuts, Cuts, Bureaucracy etc etc". And suddenly have to go Oh Shit. No, we are not cutting that, or that, or that. After the 6 - 12 months of those, we will start hitting the stories that because the "back room" staff were cut, the front line staff are spending more time in the back room making up for it. I'm not saying that there is no room for cuts. But going back to 2017 levels and not adjusting for population growth & inflation is bad. And doing it in such a short space of time is just going to cause more issues. Do it over the next 3-6 years. |
5th April 2024, 11:43 | #221 |
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I saw a bit of back peddling last week in the GCSB committee broadcast where they stated that the recent merger of NCSC and NZCERT had rationalised their resourcing and that they are staffed at about the correct level. Just after detailing how the PRC were all up in Parliamentary Services business, which seemed to quickly cut off any discussions around staff cutbacks.
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5th April 2024, 13:27 | #222 |
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All the cuts are just theatre while we have a “Minister of Racing”.
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van Velden caught saying the quiet part out loud:
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8th April 2024, 16:39 | #224 | |
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11th April 2024, 19:32 | #225 |
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DOC Chief Science Advisor among roles proposed to go
This makes sense, no point spending money on advice no one interested in listening to.
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11th April 2024, 21:38 | #226 |
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11th April 2024, 21:44 | #227 |
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I reckon. May as well just get rid of anyone wearing glasses. Fucking smarty pants, get back to the farm! Amirite?
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12th April 2024, 14:56 | #228 |
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Now that the government has scrapped our ferries, they've appointed an advisory group to figure out what to do with that mess:
https://insidegovernment.co.nz/kiwir...nts-announced/ Let's see how a couple of airport execs and a government yes man can find a better options than the new ferries that we'd already invested hundreds of millions on.
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12th April 2024, 15:49 | #229 |
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Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones scraps sea lion safeguard amid declining population
May as well live it up now, the future generations are buggered anyways. 🤷
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12th April 2024, 18:21 | #230 |
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You elects NZ First and you takes the ride.
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15th April 2024, 12:59 | #232 |
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Government investigates 4km tunnel under Wellington
Ah, I see how this works now. Gut the ferries, make getting to the airport easier. I wonder how many former or current airport/airline execs are involved in all of this?
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15th April 2024, 19:08 | #233 |
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Some numpty on the news tonight referring to how Japan has lots of tunnels in reference to the obvious risk
Also Japan: https://news.sky.com/story/amp/power...coast-13106914
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This book being displayed front n centre on the kids’ book shelf in the media show of David Seymour visiting an ECE made me laugh
https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/taki...-9780143774518 https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/po...cation-sector/
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17th April 2024, 00:14 | #236 |
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It's like having the head of your defeated enemy in the trophy room.
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18th April 2024, 13:24 | #237 | |
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19th April 2024, 12:10 | #238 |
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National party love the line about having business experience.
You can tell what type of level of business experience National. The top. Where they just say "we need to cut money from the business" and make departments cut - with consequences. I would agree that there are likely to be too many public servants, but cut them over 3 years, not 3 months. If they want efficiencies in the departments, then give them the time to actually do that. And then the cuts should go top down. Streamline the execs and senior managers, then the mid level manager and then at the end the office workers. Yes it sucks for anyone to be laid off, but I bet there are more low paid staff going than higher paid |
19th April 2024, 13:21 | #239 |
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There are 4509 employees at the Ministry of Education. In June 2017 there were 2607. Since 2017 NZ's educational performance has gone down the toilet. Not all of those 4509 need to be there.
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19th April 2024, 13:47 | #240 |
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I don't believe anyone is being judicious about any of these cuts.
It's simply applying pressure and letting that do the work. We're not figuring out what expertise is needed where. We're making arbitrary cuts and letting bureaucracy do the work. Cuts will be focused around what the public is least aware of or interested in, not what will least impact any organisations' ability to provide effective services.
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