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23rd September 2014, 14:31 | #1 | |
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Where to now for Labour?
Sounds as if things are off to the sort of start you'd expect:
Yes, David, this week your top priority must be stopping people from talking to the media. THAT's how you fix the worst election result in the history of the modern Labour party. Quote:
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23rd September 2014, 14:55 | #2 |
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I thought the aim of you righties on here was to eliminate all other parties accept the national party ? or am I missing something?
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23rd September 2014, 14:57 | #3 |
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No, no. Just eliminate their ability to be effective. The right just don't feel right without anyone to gloat over, belittle or blame. Right?
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23rd September 2014, 15:04 | #4 |
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Form NewNewLabour -
NewNewLabour was a left-of-centre party founded in 2014 by David Cunliffe, an MP and former puppet leader of the New Zealand Labour Party. NewNewLabour was established by a number of Labour Party members who left the party in reaction to "The 2014 Electoral Slaughter of Labour", the worst defeat since party creation. Cunliffe, who had been among the most vocal critics of Shearer, Jones, Parker, Goff, Mallard, was joined by a number of other members of the Labour Party, such as Jacinda Adern, Laila Harré and Clair Curren, and a number of left-wing activists, such as Lynne Prentice & Greg Presland. Cunliffe was the party's only MP.
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23rd September 2014, 15:08 | #6 | |
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23rd September 2014, 15:53 | #8 |
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Just a few points from someone who actually would seriously consider voting Labour:
-If dotcom is out of the picture then that's half the problem sorted. Keys "a vote for Labour is a vote for dotcom" bullshit line was a killer. -Get a leadership vote out of the way and then their caucus et all start working together. -Don't concentrate on getting votes back from parties left of them, instead go for the big chunk of centrist voters. This means working on image ie no apologies for being a man or man-ban type stuff - not that this is stuff is bad, it's just over the heads of who you're dealing with. -concentrate on promoting a few main policies - preferably to do with Housing, job creation and education. After six years most people struggle to name more than one or two National policies. -Play the MMP game. Let the Greens be left of centre-left. 34+14 > 47.
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23rd September 2014, 15:59 | #9 | |
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All common sense points but they are irrelevant if the people representing Labour are fuckups. As Danyl at Dim-post commented today,
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23rd September 2014, 16:47 | #10 |
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I have a better idea for Labour.
Disband. Let the Greens become the main left party. Let them enlist all the ex-Labour members that actually have a good head on their shoulders and are personable. |
23rd September 2014, 16:53 | #11 |
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That would fix nothing. You'd have the same result as now. Can you guess why?
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23rd September 2014, 16:57 | #12 |
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23rd September 2014, 17:20 | #13 |
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until labour sinks below 18% its not really a historical loss though,is it.
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23rd September 2014, 17:23 | #14 |
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23rd September 2014, 17:31 | #16 |
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It doesn't help when Russel suggests printing more cash.
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23rd September 2014, 17:38 | #17 | |
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Yes, agreed Russell needs to forget about that shit.
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23rd September 2014, 17:45 | #18 | |
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23rd September 2014, 19:24 | #19 | ||
Mmm... Sacrilicious
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Case in point, my late father was a staunch National voter but actually voted multiple times for the local Labour candidate because he thought the National bloke was a tool-bag. |
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23rd September 2014, 19:29 | #20 |
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Yeah same deal, I think. Trev the Duck's opponent was always a shitbag from what I remember.
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23rd September 2014, 19:33 | #21 | |
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23rd September 2014, 19:40 | #22 |
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By all accounts Bishop ran a fantastic campaign. Born and bred Lower Hutt, worked harder, knocked on more doors, turned up to more community events, listened to more feedback, worked out what people cared about. When a 31yr-old first-timer takes a 60yr-old 20-year campaign veteran to the wire in a rock-solid Labour seat, that means he's a good candidate.
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23rd September 2014, 19:41 | #23 |
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Was it him back in Pencarrow too? I was more talking about the Pencarrow days but eh!
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24th September 2014, 13:06 | #26 |
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whos that woman meant to be. looks like no one I can make out..
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24th September 2014, 13:08 | #27 |
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Ardern?
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24th September 2014, 13:48 | #28 |
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Yeah Ardern said she doesn't want to do it but a few people think she'll make a good show a while down the track if no one else appears so it makes sense. No idea what she looks like though.
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24th September 2014, 14:05 | #29 |
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see what I did there
Doesn't matter what she looks like, she can't win her electorate (AklCentral) and the Labour party vote in AklCentral was nearly cut in half between 2011 and 2014. You can't have a List MP who scraped into parliament by the skin of her teeth as Leader.
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24th September 2014, 14:17 | #30 |
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She'd get massacred if she was leader.
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24th September 2014, 16:23 | #31 |
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i like her and voted for her but she is way to ogreen to be leader. she would get torn apart.
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However, as others have said, she will get torn apart as a leader.
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24th September 2014, 21:14 | #33 |
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Unelectable Leader of Labour being propped up by Green Party, a spin doctor's dream. Nah. She's just not popular enough at the moment.
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25th September 2014, 10:24 | #34 |
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Yeah 2020 maybe. Especially if she gets off her arse and convinces the disaffected 55% of 18-24s who didn't enrol to enrol.
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29th September 2014, 09:13 | #35 |
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David Parker hasn't put his hat into the ring for the Labour leadership challenge. What does that say about your party if your deputy leader isn't interested in the top job?
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29th September 2014, 09:46 | #36 | |
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29th September 2014, 11:54 | #37 |
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Is Parker still fucking Chris Knox's wife?
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29th September 2014, 12:18 | #38 |
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Pretty low of him if true.
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29th September 2014, 12:28 | #39 |
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Maybe that's why he's not standing this time, after the BS that Goff pulled when Parker was lining up a challenge?
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30th September 2014, 13:21 | #40 | |
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Even the ABCs know that Robertson's homosexuality is going to be a problem, so they are overcompensating for it.
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