National Thus Far - Page 142

Lightspeed · 16th July 2020, 23:16

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Originally Posted by BoyWonder

Several meaning the 3 I named? I guess we agree on the heavy lifting those 3 are doing to keep the ship afloat.

So Jacinda Ardern has the support of three heavy lifting ministers, eh? Working for New Zealand, keeping this ship afloat.

Thanks, I'll sleep a bit more soundly tonight. I had nightmares of Collins last night.

BoyWonder · 16th July 2020, 23:23

Probably take a step back if Judith Collins is invading your dreams.

blynk · 17th July 2020, 14:44

Chris Faafoi
Andrew Little (as a member, not as a PM)
Stuart Nash

There's 3 more that you could add to the list.

Remember when Key was around and there were issues, most things went to Joyce or Brownlee.

Nothing · 18th July 2020, 20:33

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/07/1...TPSlFNAi9ga-wE

But also, not a bad point.

blynk · 19th July 2020, 22:08

I thought a similar thing when I read that.
Its totally within their control to have Covid flare back up, and I wouldn't put it past (maybe the far right of) the party.

But I would say a similar thing to the far left of Labour or Greens if it were to benefit them

pxpx · 20th July 2020, 11:24

Ab · 20th July 2020, 18:28

Quote:

Herald:

National MP Andrew Falloon quits after sending sexual image to schoolgirl

National MP Andrew Falloon is believed to have quit politics after an incident involving him sending a schoolgirl “inappropriate material”.

The Herald understands the image was not of himself but was sexually explicit in nature.

The schoolgirl’s parents alerted the Prime Minister’s office to the incident – and Jacinda Ardern’s chief of staff, with permission, notified National leader Judith Collins on Friday.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12349504

Sweet zombie jesus what's going on in National

Edit update to Herald article

Quote:

The young woman was initially described as a senior schoolgirl but it is understood the recipient is currently a university student.

Lightspeed · 20th July 2020, 18:41

Nothing surprising?

crocos · 20th July 2020, 18:50

Not to mention Yak-man Bridges back to the front benches at #4.

fixed_truth · 20th July 2020, 19:12

I'm wondering how sending a sexually explicit image to a school girl is not 'illegal conduct'.

Also good on Labour for passing the info over & not going all dirty politics leaking etc.

Lightspeed · 20th July 2020, 20:05

It shouldn't be praise that Labour did the right thing, but in today's world it unfortunately is.

By the time it's obvious what National is about the damage is long done. When they're not in a position to be bullies, they collapse.

All that's left right now is their exposed core. The likes of Collins and Brownlee. The election will show how brittle that old skeleton is. It could be a lich, then we'll be fucked.

The Edge · 20th July 2020, 21:28

I wonder how many more will fall on their swords before the election?

fixed_truth · 20th July 2020, 21:43

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Stuff was initially told the person Falloon sent the image to was a school girl. A source later clarified the person was a young woman over the age of 18.

Bit late when you've already gone hard on the school girl headline.

Ab · 20th July 2020, 21:49

I find it particularly distasteful that mental health seems to be getting used as a smokescreen to cover up illegal conduct. Oh he's suffering from stress and depression, we can't confront him about using a carriage service to send pornography to a schoolgirl, that would be mean.

fixed_truth · 21st July 2020, 12:02

Mental health isn’t a political management tool

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National’s attempt to use mental health as a shield was not only disingenuous (at best), it also undermined the progress New Zealand is making in talking about, and understanding, mental health and wellbeing.

pxpx · 21st July 2020, 12:41

Politicians leaving in election year? Never happens.

Ab · 21st July 2020, 12:54

Normally I'd say "National's churn rate is a good thing, fresh blood, meritocracy, no room for dead wood" but the South Island electorate branches just seem to be a conveyor belt of entitled white male disasters.

blynk · 21st July 2020, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I find it particularly distasteful that mental health seems to be getting used as a smokescreen to cover up illegal conduct. Oh he's suffering from stress and depression, we can't confront him about using a carriage service to send pornography to a schoolgirl, that would be mean.

Jamie Lee Ross - Mental Health
Todd Muller - Mental Health
Andrew Faloon - Mental Health.

Im sure there are others, but thats 3 in a couple of years where it would seem that the National party don't want the interrogation.

Ab · 21st July 2020, 13:22

Muller seems to be a legit case.

blynk · 21st July 2020, 13:38

Collins and the party leaders really need to take a hard stand right now.

Basically tell the whole party for people to come forward now with anything that may cause issues.
Deal with the issues (publicly), and talk about how the rot is gone and starting fresh.

And maybe send someone down south rather than picking someone from the area

Ab · 21st July 2020, 17:12

Response from the good people of the National candidate selection boards of the south: "we decide who we want representing us, not you" (subtext: fuck you Aucklander)

Lightspeed · 21st July 2020, 17:44

Lightspeed · 21st July 2020, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Muller seems to be a legit case.

For sure. He was pushed into an untenable situation without being adequately prepared for the pressure. But fucking hell, it seems National has a knack for putting people in these kinds of situations.

You know, like a good volume of the NZ public during their last term in government.

StN · 21st July 2020, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Response from the good people of the National candidate selection boards of the south: "we decide who we want representing us, not you" (subtext: fuck you Aucklander)

Aunty Jenny probably still puts her oar in.

blynk · 22nd July 2020, 10:22

So now Collins apparantly has a tip off about a Labour member which she told Ardern about on Tuesday afternoon.
And then conveniently starts talking to the AM show about it this morning (not sure if other media knew before that).

While I'm not saying that its not an actual legit allegation, it does show the difference between the parties, and Collins trying to deflect away from her current parties issues.

Ab · 22nd July 2020, 11:30

You’re right we should cover it up, jacinda must be protected

fixed_truth · 22nd July 2020, 11:53

Iain Lees-Galloway gone. Inappropriate relationship with staffer. Must be one of those power imbalance things.

blynk · 22nd July 2020, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

You’re right we should cover it up, jacinda must be protected

No, but the point was to give the party time to deal with it first. Fine if within a couple of days nothing had happened.
She has used it to try and deflect.

blynk · 22nd July 2020, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Iain Lees-Galloway gone. Inappropriate relationship with staffer. Must be one of those power imbalance things.

Im interested in this further.
"At the time the relationship commenced the staffer was working for an agency, not in his office."
He wasn't necessarily in a position of power over her (assume its a her).
So the only 2 issues I see is
1 - Did he help get her a job as a staffer? which could be a bit dodge
2 - Is he married? Is this what is making this inappropriate behaviour?

Edit. Yes he is married. So it's the affair that has made him have to stand down.

Ab · 22nd July 2020, 12:15

he didn't stand down - he was sacked. which is a very unjacinda thing. I presume Lees-Galloway has fucked up in some way that were not hearing about.

Cyberbob · 22nd July 2020, 12:24

I'm thinking this wasn't his first rodeo with a cowgirl.

blynk · 22nd July 2020, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

he didn't stand down - he was sacked. which is a very unjacinda thing. I presume Lees-Galloway has fucked up in some way that were not hearing about.

Well maybe the rumours about Clark and the nanny are true and Ardern is a bit pissed.

I wonder if it had of been someone like Robertson if the same reaction would have been taken by her. Lees-Galloway was an easier throwaway

Ab · 22nd July 2020, 14:28

You get to resign for bad judgment, you get sacked for endangering the leader.

Lightspeed · 22nd July 2020, 16:43

I have to appreciate that while politicians around the world get away with worse and worse shit, we still at least have some capacity in New Zealand to call ours out.

blynk · 28th July 2020, 13:15

Well it seems like Collins is taking some plays from the Trump handbook

Judith Collins says she was 'joking' when falsely saying no one escaped while she was Corrections Minister

So apparently when she raises her eyebrows, its a joke.

fixed_truth · 28th July 2020, 18:34

This is a bit ridiculous
National’s Palmerston North candidate apologises after photo of him appearing to impersonate Hitler surfaces on social media

Ab · 28th July 2020, 19:16

oh ffs

Jodi · 31st July 2020, 17:02

note everyone: don't be a teenager as you're not allowed to make dumb mistakes, just jump straight from 8 to 26 please.

crocos · 31st July 2020, 20:25

If it was just the 4-year-ago image, OK fine he was a dumb kid. However that mate he was hanging out with less than a year ago suggests he's not really learnt much and is still a dumb kid.

Future candidate maybe. Candidate now, probably not.

Lightspeed · 31st July 2020, 21:03

It's just a bunch of nothing. Beating up on National is popular right now, people have their eye out for low hanging fruit.

16th July 2020, 23:23	#5642
BoyWonder	Probably take a step back if Judith Collins is invading your dreams.

17th July 2020, 14:44	#5643
blynk	Chris Faafoi Andrew Little (as a member, not as a PM) Stuart Nash There's 3 more that you could add to the list. Remember when Key was around and there were issues, most things went to Joyce or Brownlee.

18th July 2020, 20:33	#5644
Nothing	Speculative: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/07/1...TPSlFNAi9ga-wE But also, not a bad point.

19th July 2020, 22:08	#5645
blynk	I thought a similar thing when I read that. Its totally within their control to have Covid flare back up, and I wouldn't put it past (maybe the far right of) the party. But I would say a similar thing to the far left of Labour or Greens if it were to benefit them

20th July 2020, 18:41	#5648
Lightspeed	Nothing surprising? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

20th July 2020, 18:50	#5649
crocos	Not to mention Yak-man Bridges back to the front benches at #4. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

20th July 2020, 19:12	#5650
fixed_truth	I'm wondering how sending a sexually explicit image to a school girl is not 'illegal conduct'. Also good on Labour for passing the info over & not going all dirty politics leaking etc. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

20th July 2020, 20:05	#5651
Lightspeed	It shouldn't be praise that Labour did the right thing, but in today's world it unfortunately is. By the time it's obvious what National is about the damage is long done. When they're not in a position to be bullies, they collapse. All that's left right now is their exposed core. The likes of Collins and Brownlee. The election will show how brittle that old skeleton is. It could be a lich, then we'll be fucked. __________________ Stay shook. No sook. Last edited by Lightspeed : 20th July 2020 at 20:10.

20th July 2020, 21:28	#5652
The Edge	I wonder how many more will fall on their swords before the election?

20th July 2020, 21:49	#5654
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I find it particularly distasteful that mental health seems to be getting used as a smokescreen to cover up illegal conduct. Oh he's suffering from stress and depression, we can't confront him about using a carriage service to send pornography to a schoolgirl, that would be mean.

20th July 2020, 11:24	#5646
pxpx	LOL

21st July 2020, 12:41	#5656
pxpx	Politicians leaving in election year? Never happens.

21st July 2020, 12:54	#5657
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Normally I'd say "National's churn rate is a good thing, fresh blood, meritocracy, no room for dead wood" but the South Island electorate branches just seem to be a conveyor belt of entitled white male disasters.

21st July 2020, 13:22	#5659
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Muller seems to be a legit case.

21st July 2020, 13:38	#5660
blynk	Collins and the party leaders really need to take a hard stand right now. Basically tell the whole party for people to come forward now with anything that may cause issues. Deal with the issues (publicly), and talk about how the rot is gone and starting fresh. And maybe send someone down south rather than picking someone from the area

21st July 2020, 17:12	#5661
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Response from the good people of the National candidate selection boards of the south: "we decide who we want representing us, not you" (subtext: fuck you Aucklander)

21st July 2020, 17:44	#5662
Lightspeed	__________________ Stay shook. No sook.

22nd July 2020, 10:22	#5665
blynk	So now Collins apparantly has a tip off about a Labour member which she told Ardern about on Tuesday afternoon. And then conveniently starts talking to the AM show about it this morning (not sure if other media knew before that). While I'm not saying that its not an actual legit allegation, it does show the difference between the parties, and Collins trying to deflect away from her current parties issues.

22nd July 2020, 11:30	#5666
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	You’re right we should cover it up, jacinda must be protected

22nd July 2020, 11:53	#5667
fixed_truth	Iain Lees-Galloway gone. Inappropriate relationship with staffer. Must be one of those power imbalance things. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. Last edited by fixed_truth : 22nd July 2020 at 11:55.

22nd July 2020, 12:15	#5670
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	he didn't stand down - he was sacked. which is a very unjacinda thing. I presume Lees-Galloway has fucked up in some way that were not hearing about.

22nd July 2020, 12:24	#5671
Cyberbob	I'm thinking this wasn't his first rodeo with a cowgirl. __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

22nd July 2020, 14:28	#5673
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	You get to resign for bad judgment, you get sacked for endangering the leader.

22nd July 2020, 16:43	#5674
Lightspeed	I have to appreciate that while politicians around the world get away with worse and worse shit, we still at least have some capacity in New Zealand to call ours out. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

28th July 2020, 13:15	#5675
blynk	Well it seems like Collins is taking some plays from the Trump handbook Judith Collins says she was 'joking' when falsely saying no one escaped while she was Corrections Minister So apparently when she raises her eyebrows, its a joke.

28th July 2020, 18:34	#5676
fixed_truth	This is a bit ridiculous National’s Palmerston North candidate apologises after photo of him appearing to impersonate Hitler surfaces on social media __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

28th July 2020, 19:16	#5677
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	oh ffs

31st July 2020, 17:02	#5678
Jodi	note everyone: don't be a teenager as you're not allowed to make dumb mistakes, just jump straight from 8 to 26 please.

31st July 2020, 20:25	#5679
crocos	If it was just the 4-year-ago image, OK fine he was a dumb kid. However that mate he was hanging out with less than a year ago suggests he's not really learnt much and is still a dumb kid. Future candidate maybe. Candidate now, probably not. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

31st July 2020, 21:03	#5680
Lightspeed	It's just a bunch of nothing. Beating up on National is popular right now, people have their eye out for low hanging fruit. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.