Election-day posts - Page 2

cyc · 26th November 2011, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Furry Crew

If I was John Key I would seriously think about offering something to the Greens for the next government much like he did the Maori Party with this current government. Yeah I know that sounds crazy....

That'd be a waste of time. The reality is that the Greens/aka Left Wing Lawbreakers' Party is a pack of unprincipled left morons that would in the next elections sooner go into a coalition with Labour, NZF and themselves knowing that it will certainly implode than go with a situation where National and themselves can govern alone.

Getting their way and pushing the left cause is more important than anything else. What people need to understand is that if MMP is around in the next elections, Labour is likely to be the favourites to regain power. In a world where the left frankly has near-zero mandate and credibility with the voters, this wonderful system will deliver for the left a number of seats that is rather large. Imagine what will happen next time with some inevitable second term wobbles for National?

Jodi · 26th November 2011, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Furry Crew

If I was John Key I would seriously think about offering something to the Greens for the next government much like he did the Maori Party with this current government. Yeah I know that sounds crazy....

I wouldn't mind a National+Green government. Greens would temper some of the more extreme things National would do if it had majority alone, but in general the govt would still be pro business instead of pro-socialist.

fixed_truth · 26th November 2011, 22:36

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Originally Posted by SickBo@Work

The lefties who tactically voted are going to get a surprise when they realise they have just helped elect people like Andrew Williams who wants to abolish the anti smacking law or Richard Prosser who wants a separate South Island parliament and to abolish clean air standards and the kyoto protocol.

Not to mention longer sentences, military boot camps and all that other jazz.

Yep NZF's radical shit most likely won't get anywhere policy wise, BUT, helping them get this platform to promote themselves for the next three years is a bit silly imo. If it actually was the case that the votes came from the left.

doppelgänger of someone · 26th November 2011, 22:40

It looks like National + old partners can form a government, maybe even without Maori Party. I wouldn't mind a bluegrass government though.

xor · 26th November 2011, 22:41

Winston Loller Peters does is a suave cunt.

cyc · 26th November 2011, 22:44

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Originally Posted by Furry Crew

If I was John Key I would seriously think about offering something to the Greens for the next government much like he did the Maori Party with this current government. Yeah I know that sounds crazy....

What National really should do is seriously court the Maori Party and set themselves up as the permanent preferred partner of that lot. The Maori Party has been a very responsible and decent party in parliament and will also moderate some of National's own extremists.

fixed_truth · 26th November 2011, 22:46

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Originally Posted by xor

Winston Loller Peters does is a suave cunt.

Kingfishers?

zeekiorage · 26th November 2011, 22:57

Rodney Hide called John Campbell arrogant.

BadNova · 26th November 2011, 23:02

Jesus fucking christ. It was hard enough getting rid of winston peters last time. Really is hard to kill off a cockroach like him.

Furry Crew · 26th November 2011, 23:07

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Originally Posted by zeekiorage

Rodney Hide called John Campbell arrogant.

If you included what John actually said I would say Rodney called it fair enough.

Seeing Winston's "victory" speech made my skin crawl. NZ....what have you done!

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:10

wrong thread

SickBo@Work · 26th November 2011, 23:28

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

If it actually was the case that the votes came from the left.

I think we can be pretty sure of that given how they were polling prior and from what quarters the 'tactical vote NZF to sabotage National' came from.

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:31

can we pick a better narrative to focus on over the next few weeks than "granola eating hippies gave winston his seats" because that one's already really boring

cyc · 26th November 2011, 23:34

Boring it might be but it does reveal a pretty sick and stupid mindset amongst that lot. Personally, as someone who's reasonably centrist and thought himself dead centain to abstain this election, the behaviour of the left has pretty much ensured that I won't be voting for them in the next elections.

chiquelet · 26th November 2011, 23:37

This is the first I've heard of tactical voting for NZF. You've got to have a box of rocks in your head if you think that getting NZF into parliament is a good thing for our country. I'm not denying that there are plenty of citizens with a box of rocks for brains, but Winston has always had a loyal following, it wasn't unthinkable that NZF would re-enter parliament.

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:38

I'm just saying there are more fun sources of drama around right now that have much better joke potential than just posting "fuck the left" over and over

I admit it would have been interesting if one of the more well resourced media networks had done some exit interviews on people who voted NZF to see why they did it though

cyc · 26th November 2011, 23:39

I suppose the sane people amongst us can celebrate one thing: the likely demise of Phil Goff. One of the most useless career politicians in the recent times will finally meet his deserved fate.

Fuck, even a Labour supporter should look forward to that.

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:40

yeah although for different reasons

ZoSo · 26th November 2011, 23:42

Waitakere & Auckland Central are tight as fuck. Gonna be interesting.

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:43

lol the coverage on Stuff is so spiteful, every single photo they put up is of some minister from a party that did poorly looking depressed, I haven't seen a single one of National members celebrating yet

Golden Teapot · 26th November 2011, 23:43

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Originally Posted by Torka

I'm just saying there are more fun sources of drama around right now that have much better joke potential than just posting "fuck the left" over and over

I don't feel like let you lot off though. I mean, WTF were you all thinking?

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:47

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Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

I don't feel like let you lot off though. I mean, WTF were you all thinking?

I thought the greens would do worse than they have and labour would do better than they have, though I always expected national to get a plurality

zeekiorage · 26th November 2011, 23:47

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Originally Posted by ZoSo

Waitakere & Auckland Central are tight as fuck. Gonna be interesting.

At least according to NZ Herald, it looks like National should have enough in both places.

fixed_truth · 26th November 2011, 23:48

Don Brash quits as Act leader

Ab · 26th November 2011, 23:54

Posting from iPhone crying into my glass on the couch. Nat+Dunne+Banks = govt, and labour got annihilated, but none of that can make up for Winston returning.

And labour has lost in the worst possible way for them - lots of fresh blood is gone and all the old deadwood are back because they gave themselves safe seats or high list placings. The labour front bench is still all those old troughing fuckers from the 80s.

CCS · 26th November 2011, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Torka

I'm just saying there are more fun sources of drama around right now

Such as?

Torka · 26th November 2011, 23:56

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Originally Posted by CCS

Such as?

the complete and well-deserved humiliation of labour

CCS · 27th November 2011, 00:07

Come on, that was expected a long, long time ago! Winston First doing as well as it has surprised everyone.

Torka · 27th November 2011, 00:09

sure but once you've said "fuck labour supporters who voted for NZF" there's nowhere to go with it that's either funny or interesting, that's the beginning and the end of the conversation

there's not even any potential for an argument here because nobody on NZG is glad Winston Peters got in, you'll be screaming into the void and it'll get super repetitive

Furry Crew · 27th November 2011, 00:12

woah.....Christchurch Central is a deadlock with all votes counted. Unbelievable

http://tvnz.co.nz/election-2011/elec...entral-2033258

recount anyone?

ZoSo · 27th November 2011, 00:19

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Originally Posted by zeekiorage

At least according to NZ Herald, it looks like National should have enough in both places.

Yeah I should have asked for a refresh. Nice.

Also, onya Wilkinson.

Ab · 27th November 2011, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Furry Crew

woah.....Christchurch Central is a deadlock with all votes counted. Unbelievable

http://tvnz.co.nz/election-2011/elec...entral-2033258

recount anyone?

It's CHCH central. Lots of people upped and left, that's potentially a lot of overseas votes.

cyc · 27th November 2011, 00:25

Goff's concession speech was pretty useless. The "we'll support National's policies if they are consistent with our principles" line pretty much revealed why he never stood a chance.

Stop subscribing to the Clare-Curran-School-on-Labour's-God-Given-Entitlement-to-Rule, Goffey. No one cares about your principles. Try and care about what's good for the country.

chubby · 27th November 2011, 00:47

if a meteorite hit epsom all would be moot...

Golden Teapot · 27th November 2011, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Furry Crew

recount anyone?

labour will take it. The absent population will be heavily weighted towards the poor.

Know me. · 27th November 2011, 01:02

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Originally Posted by cyc

Goff's concession speech was pretty useless. The "we'll support National's policies if they are consistent with our principles" line pretty much revealed why he never stood a chance.

Stop subscribing to the Clare-Curran-School-on-Labour's-God-Given-Entitlement-to-Rule, Goffey. No one cares about your principles. Try and care about what's good for the country.

He's signalling to our international partners that NZ will have a stable government.

Ab · 27th November 2011, 01:03

Key's acceptance-speech-slash-interview on 3news with Campbell, Henry, and Trotter was incredible.

Nothing · 27th November 2011, 01:24

I've gotta say Ab, I'm really impressed with how enthusiastic about NZ politics you are despite having not lived here for quite some time. I'm curious about why that is though - do you intend to come back at some future date?

CCS · 27th November 2011, 01:35

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Originally Posted by Torka

sure but once you've said "fuck labour supporters who voted for NZF" there's nowhere to go with it that's either funny or interesting, that's the beginning and the end of the conversation

there's not even any potential for an argument here because nobody on NZG is glad Winston Peters got in, you'll be screaming into the void and it'll get super repetitive

We're just expressing our rage.

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Originally Posted by Know me.

He's signalling to our international partners that NZ will have a stable government.

Wtf? It'll be a stable government no matter what Goff says or thinks.

Ab · 27th November 2011, 01:47

Nat-Dunne-Banks-Maori is 65 by my count, assuming Bennett keeps Waitakere. Chch could go either way which might even take it to 66. That's stable. And if he gets the hippies on board with an MOU, well Labour and Hone and Winston can sit and spin in the corner.

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Originally Posted by Nothing

I've gotta say Ab, I'm really impressed with how enthusiastic about NZ politics you are despite having not lived here for quite some time. I'm curious about why that is though - do you intend to come back at some future date?

Well of course, it's home. Might not be for a while though, Oz is treating me pretty good.

26th November 2011, 23:39	#57
cyc Objection!	I suppose the sane people amongst us can celebrate one thing: the likely demise of Phil Goff. One of the most useless career politicians in the recent times will finally meet his deserved fate. Fuck, even a Labour supporter should look forward to that. Last edited by cyc : 26th November 2011 at 23:41.

27th November 2011, 00:07	#68
CCS Stunt Pants	Come on, that was expected a long, long time ago! Winston First doing as well as it has surprised everyone. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

26th November 2011, 22:40	#44
doppelgänger of someone	It looks like National + old partners can form a government, maybe even without Maori Party. I wouldn't mind a bluegrass government though.

26th November 2011, 22:41	#45
xor	Winston Loller Peters does is a suave cunt.

26th November 2011, 22:57	#48
zeekiorage	Rodney Hide called John Campbell arrogant. __________________ The surest sign that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -- Bill Watterson

26th November 2011, 23:02	#49
BadNova	Jesus fucking christ. It was hard enough getting rid of winston peters last time. Really is hard to kill off a cockroach like him.

26th November 2011, 23:10	#51
Torka	wrong thread Last edited by Torka : 26th November 2011 at 23:12.

26th November 2011, 23:31	#53
Torka	can we pick a better narrative to focus on over the next few weeks than "granola eating hippies gave winston his seats" because that one's already really boring

26th November 2011, 23:34	#54
cyc Objection!	Boring it might be but it does reveal a pretty sick and stupid mindset amongst that lot. Personally, as someone who's reasonably centrist and thought himself dead centain to abstain this election, the behaviour of the left has pretty much ensured that I won't be voting for them in the next elections.

26th November 2011, 23:37	#55
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	This is the first I've heard of tactical voting for NZF. You've got to have a box of rocks in your head if you think that getting NZF into parliament is a good thing for our country. I'm not denying that there are plenty of citizens with a box of rocks for brains, but Winston has always had a loyal following, it wasn't unthinkable that NZF would re-enter parliament.

26th November 2011, 23:38	#56
Torka	I'm just saying there are more fun sources of drama around right now that have much better joke potential than just posting "fuck the left" over and over I admit it would have been interesting if one of the more well resourced media networks had done some exit interviews on people who voted NZF to see why they did it though

26th November 2011, 23:40	#58
Torka	yeah although for different reasons

26th November 2011, 23:42	#59
ZoSo	Waitakere & Auckland Central are tight as fuck. Gonna be interesting.

26th November 2011, 23:43	#60
Torka	lol the coverage on Stuff is so spiteful, every single photo they put up is of some minister from a party that did poorly looking depressed, I haven't seen a single one of National members celebrating yet Last edited by Torka : 26th November 2011 at 23:44.

26th November 2011, 23:48	#64
fixed_truth	Don Brash quits as Act leader __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

26th November 2011, 23:54	#65
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Posting from iPhone crying into my glass on the couch. Nat+Dunne+Banks = govt, and labour got annihilated, but none of that can make up for Winston returning. And labour has lost in the worst possible way for them - lots of fresh blood is gone and all the old deadwood are back because they gave themselves safe seats or high list placings. The labour front bench is still all those old troughing fuckers from the 80s.

27th November 2011, 00:09	#69
Torka	sure but once you've said "fuck labour supporters who voted for NZF" there's nowhere to go with it that's either funny or interesting, that's the beginning and the end of the conversation there's not even any potential for an argument here because nobody on NZG is glad Winston Peters got in, you'll be screaming into the void and it'll get super repetitive

27th November 2011, 00:12	#70
Furry Crew	woah.....Christchurch Central is a deadlock with all votes counted. Unbelievable http://tvnz.co.nz/election-2011/elec...entral-2033258 recount anyone? __________________ "This ain't pain I'm feeling....it's nostalgia" Visit The O-bots

27th November 2011, 00:25	#73
cyc Objection!	Goff's concession speech was pretty useless. The "we'll support National's policies if they are consistent with our principles" line pretty much revealed why he never stood a chance. Stop subscribing to the Clare-Curran-School-on-Labour's-God-Given-Entitlement-to-Rule, Goffey. No one cares about your principles. Try and care about what's good for the country.

27th November 2011, 00:47	#74
chubby	if a meteorite hit epsom all would be moot... __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

27th November 2011, 01:03	#77
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Key's acceptance-speech-slash-interview on 3news with Campbell, Henry, and Trotter was incredible.

27th November 2011, 01:24	#78
Nothing	I've gotta say Ab, I'm really impressed with how enthusiastic about NZ politics you are despite having not lived here for quite some time. I'm curious about why that is though - do you intend to come back at some future date?