Obama supports gay marriage

fixed_truth · 10th May 2012, 16:38

Obama comes out in support of gay marriage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSLufPxk8s

Wow risky move? Will this gamble pay off?

xor · 10th May 2012, 16:47

blynk · 10th May 2012, 16:48

I think David Shearer is hoping it will. He's jumped on the bandwagon
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10804903

fixed_truth · 10th May 2012, 16:56

Haha^

I wonder if Key has had a change of heart since voting against the Civil Union Bill.

A Corpse · 10th May 2012, 17:20

In the US it's a risky move. In NZ, meh.

chubby · 10th May 2012, 21:39

so you would have to wonder,which diddles are being pandered to in this theoretical 'smile and wave' retraction.

pxpx · 11th May 2012, 08:47

Voting against the civil union bill != Against gay marriage in principle.

Ab · 11th May 2012, 12:31

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Originally Posted by chubby

so you would have to wonder,which diddles are being pandered to in this theoretical 'smile and wave' retraction.

PINK DOLLAR Y'ALL

CCS · 11th May 2012, 12:40

What would same sex marriage gives to gays in NZ that civil union doesn't already? I mean things that are substantial, not "they get a marriage certificate!"

Ab · 11th May 2012, 12:42

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Haha^

I wonder if Key has had a change of heart since voting against the Civil Union Bill.

It would appear so.

Quote:

Prime Minister John Key has followed US President Barack Obama and said he is not opposed to gay marriage - an apparent change in his stance.

He has previously refused to give a personal view on same-sex marriage.

But yesterday, in a response to the AP news service after President Obama said gays should be allowed to wed, Mr Key said he was "not personally opposed to gay marriage" and it was possible Parliament would consider a member's bill at some stage.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10805087

aR Que · 11th May 2012, 13:09

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Originally Posted by CCS

What would same sex marriage gives to gays in NZ that civil union doesn't already? I mean things that are substantial, not "they get a marriage certificate!"

They would be allowed to adopt? (nfi, if they can or can't already)

Don't know why fags want to get married, I guess they just want to be able to commit another sin*! (lololol)

*adultery

Saladin · 11th May 2012, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Ab

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10805087

and Mana Party leader Hone Harawira said he was undecided.

I'm sure Hone's ok with it, as long as it's not interracial.

xor · 11th May 2012, 16:19

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Originally Posted by aR Que

They would be allowed to adopt? (nfi, if they can or can't already)

Don't know why fags want to get married, I guess they just want to be able to commit another sin*! (lololol)

*adultery

Legal reasons mainly. I'm not very liked at the church that I go to because I spend most of the time laughing at the hypocrisy of the other members. E.g. A divorced man screaming "ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE"

I really feel sorry for my pastor, that dude is on the level but there are some serious fuckwits that come along :/

crocos · 11th May 2012, 16:57

I laugh at you for going to church. Even if you're doing it "ironically" *cough*

Baal · 11th May 2012, 17:03

No point in knocking people for their beliefs. If they're not hurting anyone else or trying to force their ideals on others when following them, awesome

Baal · 11th May 2012, 17:04

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Originally Posted by xor

Legal reasons mainly. I'm not very liked at the church that I go to because I spend most of the time laughing at the hypocrisy of the other members. E.g. A divorced man screaming "ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE"

Even as a kid when going to church (parents, mandatory, etc) I'd see self righteous cunts like this and be ... wtf ...

fixed_truth · 11th May 2012, 17:09

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Originally Posted by pxpx

Voting against the civil union bill != Against gay marriage in principle.

How do you figure that one?

xor · 11th May 2012, 17:26

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Originally Posted by crocos

I laugh at you for going to church. Even if you're doing it "ironically" *cough*

You're quite easily amused, aren't you?

CCS · 11th May 2012, 19:16

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Originally Posted by xor

Legal reasons mainly.

Don't people in a civil union already get the same legal rights as those in a marriage?

Deadmeat · 11th May 2012, 19:19

I think one of the last major things is that gay couples can't adopt. Oddly though gay individuals can.

Ab · 11th May 2012, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Baal

No point in knocking people for their beliefs.

Bollocks to that, stupidity is stupidity and deserves mockery.

BoyWonder · 11th May 2012, 20:00

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Originally Posted by CCS

Don't people in a civil union already get the same legal rights as those in a marriage?

A de facto relationship has the same standing as a marriage - at least when it comes to splitting the tab at the end of it all.

5 more months of spousal maintenance... just 5 months to go...

Torka · 11th May 2012, 20:31

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Originally Posted by CCS

What would same sex marriage gives to gays in NZ that civil union doesn't already? I mean things that are substantial

cultural legitimacy

names and symbols are important

CCS · 11th May 2012, 20:36

Yeah, cultural legitimacy is pretty subjective. It's hard to say "this form of relationship is more culturally legitimate than that form of relationship". Hence why I'm more interested in the substantial differences in a civil union <-> marriage.

Torka · 11th May 2012, 20:39

working with your definition of substantial, I'm pretty sure there are none

fixed_truth · 11th May 2012, 20:49

If the civil union couple remains in New Zealand; then outside of being excluded from a 'marriage', there doesn't seem to be much difference (bar a few will & adoption factors afaik). But, I think that's a big part of it ie., having the same right straight couples have to be recognised as a 'married' couple.

CCS · 11th May 2012, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Torka

working with your definition of substantial, I'm pretty sure there are none

Wow, you're a total fucking penis, aren't you? So much for having an intelligent discussion!

Torka · 11th May 2012, 21:04

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Originally Posted by CCS

Wow, you're a total fucking penis, aren't you? So much for having an intelligent discussion!

what

I was being sincere, I don't think there are any tangible differences of that sort

CCS · 11th May 2012, 22:12

So say so in the first place instead of being a smart cunt! What a concept!

FTR - same sex marriage doesn't get you cultural legitimacy. It certainly helps, but cultural legitimacy comes with time and understanding. When same sex marriages come into law (and they will, sooner or later) same sex couples will still be scoffed at and seeking 'cultural legitimacy'. Those who scoff will die eventually and will take their attitudes with them. But you just can't legislate for cultural legitimacy.

Bent · 11th May 2012, 22:58

They should just repeal the marriage act and everyone can have a civil union. Then, if they want to call it a marriage and have their little religious ceremony they can.

chiQ · 12th May 2012, 00:13

Rince · 26th July 2012, 22:10

xor · 27th July 2012, 12:24

There is some retarded shit dribbling out of the mouths of a lot of Christians at the moment.

I don't actually understand why people are against it. The only argument I've ever heard is 'It's not natural'....

CCS · 27th July 2012, 12:35

I don't think there is any argument against gay marriage that is not intellectually dishonest.

fixed_truth · 27th July 2012, 12:41

What does 'natural' mean?

I hope that the Bill here in NZ makes the final reading. It's a lot harder to justify voting for someone who doesn't support Gay Marriage.

Cyberbob · 27th July 2012, 12:45

Aside from alienating retarded voters that are quite possibly under the IQ level of what should be deemed legal to vote anyway, why the heck do politicians 'umm & ahh' about gay marriage. Make it legal already. There's zero reasons against it.,

Ab · 27th July 2012, 12:54

You just answered your own question. They umm and ahh because they don't want to offend decent God-fearing voters.

chiQ · 27th July 2012, 13:32

Us indecent, god-ignoring folk must surely be the majority though.

Cyberbob · 27th July 2012, 13:40

We must be the dumb ones.

Saladin · 27th July 2012, 13:40

Is that the real one or the parody one? It's pretty hard to tell them apart

10th May 2012, 17:20	#5
A Corpse talkative lurker	In the US it's a risky move. In NZ, meh. __________________ Broke my addiction! Bye bye Eve, hello Minecraft. Wait... >_<

11th May 2012, 12:40	#9
CCS Stunt Pants	What would same sex marriage gives to gays in NZ that civil union doesn't already? I mean things that are substantial, not "they get a marriage certificate!" __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

11th May 2012, 20:36	#24
CCS Stunt Pants	Yeah, cultural legitimacy is pretty subjective. It's hard to say "this form of relationship is more culturally legitimate than that form of relationship". Hence why I'm more interested in the substantial differences in a civil union <-> marriage. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

11th May 2012, 22:12	#29
CCS Stunt Pants	So say so in the first place instead of being a smart cunt! What a concept! FTR - same sex marriage doesn't get you cultural legitimacy. It certainly helps, but cultural legitimacy comes with time and understanding. When same sex marriages come into law (and they will, sooner or later) same sex couples will still be scoffed at and seeking 'cultural legitimacy'. Those who scoff will die eventually and will take their attitudes with them. But you just can't legislate for cultural legitimacy. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

12th May 2012, 00:13	#31
chiQ Frag-muff	__________________ Gaming/phone/computing platforms are not indicative of groinal/physical/cognitive impressiveness.

10th May 2012, 16:38	#1
fixed_truth	Obama supports gay marriage Obama comes out in support of gay marriage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSLufPxk8s Wow risky move? Will this gamble pay off? __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

10th May 2012, 16:48	#3
blynk	I think David Shearer is hoping it will. He's jumped on the bandwagon http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10804903

10th May 2012, 16:56	#4
fixed_truth	Haha^ I wonder if Key has had a change of heart since voting against the Civil Union Bill. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

10th May 2012, 21:39	#6
chubby	so you would have to wonder,which diddles are being pandered to in this theoretical 'smile and wave' retraction. __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

11th May 2012, 08:47	#7
pxpx	Voting against the civil union bill != Against gay marriage in principle.

11th May 2012, 16:57	#14
crocos	I laugh at you for going to church. Even if you're doing it "ironically" cough __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

11th May 2012, 17:03	#15
Baal	No point in knocking people for their beliefs. If they're not hurting anyone else or trying to force their ideals on others when following them, awesome __________________ Your a homo.

11th May 2012, 19:19	#20
Deadmeat	I think one of the last major things is that gay couples can't adopt. Oddly though gay individuals can.

11th May 2012, 20:39	#25
Torka	working with your definition of substantial, I'm pretty sure there are none

11th May 2012, 20:49	#26
fixed_truth	If the civil union couple remains in New Zealand; then outside of being excluded from a 'marriage', there doesn't seem to be much difference (bar a few will & adoption factors afaik). But, I think that's a big part of it ie., having the same right straight couples have to be recognised as a 'married' couple. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

11th May 2012, 22:58	#30
Bent	They should just repeal the marriage act and everyone can have a civil union. Then, if they want to call it a marriage and have their little religious ceremony they can.

26th July 2012, 22:10	#32
Rince SLUTS!!!!!!!	__________________ Slow internet is worse than no internet. It's like putting your penis in once and then being required to make out for 2 hours --Matt "The Oatmeal" Inman

27th July 2012, 12:24	#33
xor	There is some retarded shit dribbling out of the mouths of a lot of Christians at the moment. I don't actually understand why people are against it. The only argument I've ever heard is 'It's not natural'....

27th July 2012, 12:35	#34
CCS Stunt Pants	I don't think there is any argument against gay marriage that is not intellectually dishonest. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

27th July 2012, 12:41	#35
fixed_truth	What does 'natural' mean? I hope that the Bill here in NZ makes the final reading. It's a lot harder to justify voting for someone who doesn't support Gay Marriage. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

27th July 2012, 12:45	#36
Cyberbob	Aside from alienating retarded voters that are quite possibly under the IQ level of what should be deemed legal to vote anyway, why the heck do politicians 'umm & ahh' about gay marriage. Make it legal already. There's zero reasons against it., __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

27th July 2012, 12:54	#37
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	You just answered your own question. They umm and ahh because they don't want to offend decent God-fearing voters.

27th July 2012, 13:32	#38
chiQ Frag-muff	Us indecent, god-ignoring folk must surely be the majority though. __________________ Gaming/phone/computing platforms are not indicative of groinal/physical/cognitive impressiveness.

27th July 2012, 13:40	#39
Cyberbob	We must be the dumb ones. __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

27th July 2012, 13:40	#40
Saladin Nothing to See Here!	Is that the real one or the parody one? It's pretty hard to tell them apart