Phil Goff getting desperate

cyc · 24th November 2011, 14:29

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...political-spin

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Labour leader Phil Goff says National has been "forced to confirm" a freeze on police recruitment he raised in last night's televised leaders' debate with Prime Minister John Key.

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Goff said there was "an email apparently around" which he had not seen that said the January wing had been cancelled.

He said he had no means of obtaining the email but media could ask the police commissioner for it.

Goff said he was protective of his sources but he knew them to be reliable.

The January intake usually had up to 80 cadets in it and had been cancelled.

"I understand from another source there will be no February intake," Goff said.

Other journalists with sources in the police had also told him there was discussion around police headquarters that there would be further deferrals of training wings next year.

Translation: I have imaginary sources that I won't reveal to you. Just believe me, okay? Ignore the other side's explanations because I must be right, since I have sources and evidence that I won't tell you about or let you see.

DESPERATION. MAKES. ONE. DO. STUPID. THINGS.

Baxton · 24th November 2011, 14:34

didn't key do the exact same thing a month ago?

SID|DensitY · 24th November 2011, 14:38

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24102709.mp3

Goff on the radio.

Ab · 24th November 2011, 14:44

Collins, paraphrased: "I will resign and I will expect the resignation of the Police Commissioner if Phil Goff's allegations are true. Dude is just making shit up."

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24115036.mp3

cyc · 24th November 2011, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Baxton

didn't key do the exact same thing a month ago?

What "thing"?

GM · 24th November 2011, 14:45

The biggest surprise to me is that we even had a Police staffing level issue.

Baxton · 24th November 2011, 14:53

striking out at the opposition using information with supposed "sources" but not having your facts straight?

I mean it's rubbish don't get me wrong, Goff is an idiot, but I don't see the difference bettween that and This

cyc · 24th November 2011, 14:55

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Originally Posted by Baxton

striking out at the opposition using information with supposed "sources" but not having your facts straight?

I mean it's rubbish don't get me wrong, Goff is an idiot, but I don't see the difference bettween that and This

Alright, point conceded. I find it amusing though that Phil Goff is now happy to rely on anonymous sources.

Baxton · 24th November 2011, 16:09

hahahahahahaha that radio clip was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay funnier then the key one.

Furry Crew · 24th November 2011, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Ab

Collins, paraphrased: "I will resign and I will expect the resignation of the Police Commissioner if Phil Goff's allegations are true. Dude is just making shit up."

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24115036.mp3

Damn she sounded really pissed off. Fair enough too if I was being accused of this.

cyc · 24th November 2011, 16:20

Goff: "MY SOURCE WAS ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE..."

Goff: "MY SOURCE WAS ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE..."

Plunkett: "MR GOFF DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF WHAT YOUR SINGLE SOURCE SAID, GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN DENIED...."

Goff: "... the intake was cancelled"

Plunkett: ".... no it's been deferred until March"

Plunkett: "[Your source is unreliable]"

Goff: "..... [I've got an appointment - translation: "My BS isn't working, I'd better run!"]

Goff = absolutely owned and humiliated.

That interview was fucking priceless.

Baxton · 24th November 2011, 16:22

I love how he tried to answer "do you have any proof" with "I am getting good feedback from the media"

son you just selfpwned

CCS · 24th November 2011, 16:32

Wow, Goff is wrong on every aspect about this. He said that recruitment intakes had been cancelled; they haven't. He said that there was a political directive to cancel recruitments due to budget cuts; there has not been. He claimed there was a political directive to keep this quiet until after the election; that is wrong. Goff has cocked up big time.

If anything like what Goff is claiming was actually true, Greg O'Connor would be the first person to start jumping up and down in a very loud way. He's been silent and accepts the Minister's word on this.

cyc · 24th November 2011, 16:40

Aside from the fact that Goff is wrong, he's also a hypocrite. Can the tragic comedy that's Labour get any worse?

Vrtigo · 24th November 2011, 16:45

well, it was worth a shot i guess - if it had turned out to be correct, then this would all be egg on keys face. they are currently way behind, so 50/50 was worth a gamble in his eyes i guess.

still a retarded thing to do.

but then again, as others have pointed out, no worse than keys "labour == downgrade" remark

Torka · 24th November 2011, 16:48

oh labour

Spink · 24th November 2011, 16:53

Even if this was true, wouldn't they have probably bulked up police force intake in preparation for the RWC and are now letting it calm down a bit since there's no other huge intl events on the horizon for the while?

edit: also @Vrtigo, it's not like being wrong has ever stopped a party leader before. A lot of fox news viewers still thought(think?) there were WMDs in Iraq long after there were none found. I suspect a lot of die hard Labour fans will be spewing this garbage for a few days yet

Evoke · 24th November 2011, 17:31

years ago, when you applied to be a cop and passed all the requirements, you were shipped off to the Police College straight away. This unfortunately meant that, after finishing the training, you might come out and not have a job to go to or your deployment location was somewhere you didn't want to go. They've revised it and now you pass all your requirements, then go onto a waiting list until there are jobs on the horizon, which means that once you finish the training at the college you come out deployed straight where you wanted to be. This means a waiting list up to 5 years in major centres (and almost no waiting list if you want to be deployed in Manukau). So really, what's the big deal if they do freeze the recruitment? the effective difference will be just not staffing a couple of recruitment officers and some HR people.

24th November 2011, 16:20	#11
cyc Objection!	Goff: "MY SOURCE WAS ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE..." Goff: "MY SOURCE WAS ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE..." Plunkett: "MR GOFF DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF WHAT YOUR SINGLE SOURCE SAID, GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN DENIED...." Goff: "... the intake was cancelled" Plunkett: ".... no it's been deferred until March" Plunkett: "[Your source is unreliable]" Goff: "..... [I've got an appointment - translation: "My BS isn't working, I'd better run!"] Goff = absolutely owned and humiliated. That interview was fucking priceless. Last edited by cyc : 24th November 2011 at 16:22.

24th November 2011, 16:32	#13
CCS Stunt Pants	Wow, Goff is wrong on every aspect about this. He said that recruitment intakes had been cancelled; they haven't. He said that there was a political directive to cancel recruitments due to budget cuts; there has not been. He claimed there was a political directive to keep this quiet until after the election; that is wrong. Goff has cocked up big time. If anything like what Goff is claiming was actually true, Greg O'Connor would be the first person to start jumping up and down in a very loud way. He's been silent and accepts the Minister's word on this. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

24th November 2011, 14:34	#2
Baxton	didn't key do the exact same thing a month ago?

24th November 2011, 14:38	#3
SID\|DensitY	http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24102709.mp3 Goff on the radio.

24th November 2011, 14:44	#4
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Collins, paraphrased: "I will resign and I will expect the resignation of the Police Commissioner if Phil Goff's allegations are true. Dude is just making shit up." http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/24115036.mp3

24th November 2011, 14:45	#6
GM	The biggest surprise to me is that we even had a Police staffing level issue.

24th November 2011, 14:53	#7
Baxton	striking out at the opposition using information with supposed "sources" but not having your facts straight? I mean it's rubbish don't get me wrong, Goff is an idiot, but I don't see the difference bettween that and This

24th November 2011, 16:09	#9
Baxton	hahahahahahaha that radio clip was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay funnier then the key one.

24th November 2011, 16:22	#12
Baxton	I love how he tried to answer "do you have any proof" with "I am getting good feedback from the media" son you just selfpwned

24th November 2011, 16:40	#14
cyc Objection!	Aside from the fact that Goff is wrong, he's also a hypocrite. Can the tragic comedy that's Labour get any worse?

24th November 2011, 16:45	#15
Vrtigo Marginal Poster	well, it was worth a shot i guess - if it had turned out to be correct, then this would all be egg on keys face. they are currently way behind, so 50/50 was worth a gamble in his eyes i guess. still a retarded thing to do. but then again, as others have pointed out, no worse than keys "labour == downgrade" remark

24th November 2011, 16:53	#17
Spink	Even if this was true, wouldn't they have probably bulked up police force intake in preparation for the RWC and are now letting it calm down a bit since there's no other huge intl events on the horizon for the while? edit: also @Vrtigo, it's not like being wrong has ever stopped a party leader before. A lot of fox news viewers still thought(think?) there were WMDs in Iraq long after there were none found. I suspect a lot of die hard Labour fans will be spewing this garbage for a few days yet __________________ Weak hearts I rip. Last edited by Spink : 24th November 2011 at 16:55.

24th November 2011, 17:31	#18
Evoke	years ago, when you applied to be a cop and passed all the requirements, you were shipped off to the Police College straight away. This unfortunately meant that, after finishing the training, you might come out and not have a job to go to or your deployment location was somewhere you didn't want to go. They've revised it and now you pass all your requirements, then go onto a waiting list until there are jobs on the horizon, which means that once you finish the training at the college you come out deployed straight where you wanted to be. This means a waiting list up to 5 years in major centres (and almost no waiting list if you want to be deployed in Manukau). So really, what's the big deal if they do freeze the recruitment? the effective difference will be just not staffing a couple of recruitment officers and some HR people.