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3rd May 2014, 08:27 | #3601 | |
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What I wonder is why is it that labour can't find something substantive to campaign on? In this election year they have so far been silent on everything apart from very minor dirt digging - is it really true that those attracted to labour care nothing about anything else? |
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3rd May 2014, 08:38 | #3602 | |
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The other part of the hyperbole is the part where you suggested that I'm comfortable with any level of corruption. Which leads us to: Quote:
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3rd May 2014, 17:10 | #3608 | |
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Just to make it clearer (as if I needed to), I agree with this:
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3rd May 2014, 18:25 | #3609 |
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I don't agree that this is a useful application of the concept of "influence"; in a political context influence means getting an end outcome that would otherwise not have happened. Having the police check that they were doing the right thing and then carrying on having decided by themselves that they were is nowhere near their having been influenced.
The only difficulty here is that everyone gets a vote and this includes people who can't form a distinction between actions that are appropriate and those that are not and in this instance it's very easy to sway an element of society toward this having been a bad thing when in reality is that it appears it was a good thing; the police validated their position although it's a bit worrying that they felt so insecure about their position that they decided they needed to do that. |
3rd May 2014, 23:29 | #3610 |
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^^ ell oh ell.
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5th May 2014, 16:59 | #3611 |
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Even more new, damning evidence on Collins.
Critical analysis anyone?
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5th May 2014, 17:04 | #3612 |
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Looks pretty bad dunnit? Still, better dead than red, eh adonis?
But seriously, is it actually as bad as that blog puts it? |
5th May 2014, 18:59 | #3613 |
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Collins is looking pretty fucking ragged right now.
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5th May 2014, 19:12 | #3614 |
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National panders to big business, especially its buddies - news at 11...
Makes me wish for a system something like in the Red/Green/Blue Mars books but that'll never happen |
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5th May 2014, 23:35 | #3616 |
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I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner? |
6th May 2014, 09:30 | #3617 |
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Because giving people who require loan shark money in the first place another loan is a good idea.
Give a man a fish bla bla bla...
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6th May 2014, 13:42 | #3618 |
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Because giving people who require heroin in the first place methadone is a good idea.
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6th May 2014, 15:42 | #3619 |
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Whats to stop these folk from just adding another debt on top of all the rest. They have no money skills, giving them more debt is not the answer.
I'm really surprised this insane scheme has anything to do with the National party.
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6th May 2014, 16:02 | #3620 |
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Almost as insane as giving people monies to move to ChCh and take-our-jerbs when there is no where to live.
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6th May 2014, 16:14 | #3621 |
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Ahhh Christchurch, I remember when you weren't a punchline.
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6th May 2014, 16:16 | #3622 | |
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6th May 2014, 19:46 | #3624 |
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The only possible reasoning that I can speculate is going on in their heads is that as the domestic fixes are tapering off, there must be more housing stock available. Except it isn't, so there isn't.
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6th May 2014, 20:13 | #3625 |
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Yeah this such a fail. My sister is in CHCH trying to buy an affordable house that isn't a wreck and has also been looking to rent as an option and it's the same situation.
She got lucky though and has bought but I don't think "getting lucky" is much to base a policy on. Last edited by BoyWonder : 6th May 2014 at 20:15. |
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7th May 2014, 00:09 | #3627 |
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Better that they get government-regulated substitutes in a safe environment than get sucked into relationships with dodgy dealers pushing terrible-quality junk on terrible terms.
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7th May 2014, 17:23 | #3630 | |
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unless you're one of the bastards charging disaster capitalism rents.
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15th May 2014, 16:11 | #3631 | |
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Budget 2014
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15th May 2014, 16:36 | #3632 | ||
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Armstrong describes it as a politically expedient budget. Well duh, it is an election year.
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15th May 2014, 17:00 | #3633 |
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That's because National is now a centrist if not centre-left party. That's just the reality of NZ politics. This is fucking terrifying for Labour because if given the choice between a successful centrist/leftish government led by the most popular NZ politician of all time and a centrist/leftish gaggle of gays, union hacks, and Lange-era dinosaurs with some policies in common with the first lot, NZ voters will take the first lot thank you very much.
National under John Key has positioned itself in such a way that it can nab Labour policies if they'll work or if they'll be popular, and then they're National policies. All that Labour can do to differentiate itself is to swing further left, and then it's into loony Green territory. The loony Greens already have the loony far left of the spectrum tied up. Nowhere for Labour to find an audience. |
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I don't think National are as centrist as they make out. I mean, obviously the National Party would be the Green Party equivalent in the US, but the US is batshit crazy.
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15th May 2014, 17:33 | #3635 |
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Got to love the Heralds Head Lines, in one they proclaim free health care for under 13's and the next 'nothing for beneficiaries' umm ffs, if they have kids, there's definitely something in it for them. doh !
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15th May 2014, 19:13 | #3636 |
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I can't believe JK used the figure of 12% of households paying 76% of all tax to suggest National aren't only interested in the rich.
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16th May 2014, 09:03 | #3637 |
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I'm pleased that media outlets have been balanced in their analysis of the budget.
Imo the Labour-lite policies are good for NZ (ie further ingraining a socially left ideological) but underneath there's the National trademark of no vision and dodging the big underlying problems ie housing, low wages, unemployment, superannuation, dairy dependency, climate change etc. edit: also treating transport expenditure as a loan to have a surplus on paper was "good accounting" lol
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16th May 2014, 09:33 | #3638 |
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Well, that is the primary talent required of a right leaning political party: convincing voters to vote against their interests (except for the few rich folk managing to get richer.)
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16th May 2014, 10:40 | #3639 |
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Getting people to vote against their interests is the primary talent required for all political parties.
Anyway, it appears you actually can't please these bloody lefties can you, clearly in lala land.. LS still thinks this budget is all about rich pricks, despite a huge sum of money going towards sick children. Do you hate sick children LS? That's not your MO is it? Heard some twat on the radio moaning that rich kids don't deserve free healthcare and that it should be targeted. Newsflash guys, means testing costs a lot of money, slows everything down and is generally unfair to those people who are struggling to stay above the threshhold in the first place. |
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That being said, I think they could have done a little more around Christchurch and housing too, something to address the supply of housing in tighter markets would have been nice.
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