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Old 11th November 2021, 14:32     #1041
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https://www.facebook.com/TheCambridg...4687010885096/

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Old 23rd November 2021, 18:48     #1042
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The creator of Harry Potter, writer of Harry Potter books, producer of Harry Potter movies, playwright of Harry Potter stage show, and person who dropped off the Forbes billionaires list because of the staggering amounts she donates to charities, J.K. Rowling, is not invited to the Harry Potter 20th anniversary special because she's literally worse than Hitler.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/17/10566...on-j-k-rowling
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Old 29th November 2021, 14:28     #1043
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Numbers are now thoughtcrime

https://twitter.com/womensmarch/stat...29266976464912
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Old 9th December 2021, 17:59     #1044
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Parliament unanimously passes bill allowing change to birth certificates

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The bill changes the process for amending the sex shown on a birth certificate from one which requires people to go through the Family Court - including appearing before a judge and disclosing private medical information - to a simple self-selecting administrative process.
Wasn't expecting this to be unanimous.
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Old 9th December 2021, 18:55     #1045
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I am surprised too. Perhaps there are details of which I'm unaware.
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Old 13th December 2021, 09:54     #1046
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Police have been criticised for saying they will record rapes by offenders with male genitalia as being committed by a woman if the attacker “identifies as a female”.

Police Scotland said that they would log rapes as being carried out by a woman if the accused person insists, even if they have not legally changed gender.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...omen-s6576v825
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Old 13th December 2021, 10:26     #1047
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^Another example of bureaucrats not understanding the difference between sex and gender.

Situations like that not need be an issue

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Today, those terms have largely been replaced by the more precise and affirming AFAB and AMAB, meaning “assigned female/male at birth,” which can be applied to anyone regardless of gender identity.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sexoped...924/afab-amab/
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Old 13th December 2021, 10:29     #1048
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What's wrong with seperating the two, understanding that one can change, one can't.

Biological sex at birth: Male.
Gender: Space cowboy.
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Old 13th December 2021, 18:24     #1049
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^Another example of bureaucrats not understanding the difference between sex and gender.
Oh you can bet the rapists understand. A woman is what you claim to be to get more lenient sentencing, and if you are found guilty you get sent to a place where lots of women are locked up with you.
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Old 13th December 2021, 19:26     #1050
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Certainly that's the tale the bigots tell. Not supported by the stats. Oh, I'm sure there's one or two that try it on, but overall very few.
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Old 13th December 2021, 19:51     #1051
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What's bigotry got to do with it? Stats? Do you have the brain worms?
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Old 15th December 2021, 02:13     #1052
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Like other serious crimes of violence, rape is a male crime. This is a judgment of law and of fact. Scots law defines rape as non-consensual penetration with a penis. Only biological males can commit rape. Until very recently this was not considered controversial.

Times have changed. In Scotland, as in other parts of the UK, reality gives way to fantasy. We pretend that women can — and do — commit rape. This absurdity is not restricted to Scotland. In England and Wales 436 male-bodied sex offenders were classified as women from 2012 to 2018 and at the weekend Police Scotland confirmed that if a man who rapes a woman wishes to be considered a woman, the authorities will honour that request.

According to the police, “The sex/gender identification of individuals who come into contact with the police will be based on how they present or how they self-declare.” Leaving aside the fact that sex and gender identification are different things, this leads to the ostensibly baffling situation where “women” may now be prosecuted for a crime — rape — which can only be committed by biological males.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...ople-bnpvt0h5k
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Old 15th December 2021, 15:46     #1053
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Richard Dawkins just noticed that the Royal Society of NZ has started disciplinary investigations of two (legendary) Kiwi academics who signed the "In Defence of Science" Listener letter, because someone's feelings were hurt.

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/s...10399006834689

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@RichardDawkins

The grave of Ernest Rutherford is in Westminster Abbey, with Newton, Darwin, Maxwell & Faraday. He has every right, as the greatest New Zealander ever, to be spinning in it. And his neighbours too.

The cowardly betrayal of science by the NZ Royal Society is beyond contempt.
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Old 15th December 2021, 17:13     #1054
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Old 15th December 2021, 17:17     #1055
fixed_truth
 
Lol Dawkins, expert in Maori knowledge.
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Old 17th December 2021, 01:36     #1056
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The Juilliard School - yeah, that one - runs an anti-racism drama workshop using "history, research and music to explore the journey of black people in this country" run by Grammy and Tony nominee black actor and director Michael McElroy.

During one of the sessions the workshop examined the dialogue of a slave-auction scene from the groundbreaking TV miniseries "Roots".

The language in the scene caused "trauma" to a female student active on social media.

That she felt hurt means that someone hurt her. Therefore she is a victim of violence.

The hurt originated in racist language used by characters in the scene. Therefore she is a victim of racist violence.

If she is the victim of racist violence, then Michael McElroy, who caused her to experience this, is, logically, a violent racist.

Fortunately the school realised this argument was ridiculous and told everyone to cal--

LOL JUST KIDDING of course they fired him


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Old 19th December 2021, 12:07     #1057
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Lol Dawkins, expert in Maori knowledge.
Dawkins is 100% right and this embarrassment will hang over NZ’s academic reputation for a long time.
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Old 19th December 2021, 12:27     #1058
Lightspeed
 
What reputation, with whom? Who will be reading research and upon discovering it originated in NZ will begin to doubt what they're reading?

I was going to also ask who will be less likely to consider graduates from Auckland University, but then I realised its already lagging reputation, so it would be difficult to distinguish the causes.
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Old 19th December 2021, 16:44     #1059
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Dawkins has gone all colonial racism with his categorisation of all Maori knowledge as creation myths. Which he's already backtracked.

Creation myths can be taught primarily in social studies, Maori history in history and Maori science in science.

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So…. in 1500BC, while ancient Europeans were still dipping their toes in the duck pond of the Mediterranean, and some 3000 years before they even knew of our existence, Māori ancestors were somehow navigating, mapping, and observing the largest water body on earth…. without science.

They somehow managed to develop their own medical disciplines, their own aquacultural and horticultural technological innovations, their own calendrical systems and incredibly sophisticated celestial tracking systems…. without science.
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Old 19th December 2021, 17:19     #1060
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There’s no such thing as Maori science
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Old 19th December 2021, 18:18     #1061
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Some Maori knowledge is demonstrably science. In NZs context it would be backwards not to include this knowledge in our kids science classes.
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Old 19th December 2021, 18:52     #1062
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Some Maori knowledge is demonstrably science.
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They somehow managed to develop... without science.
Make up your mind dude
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Old 19th December 2021, 19:00     #1063
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Some Maori knowledge is demonstrably science. In NZs context it would be backwards not to include this knowledge in our kids science classes.
There's no such thing as Maori science
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Old 19th December 2021, 19:35     #1064
fixed_truth
 
There is such a thing as Maori knowledge generated by science. I don't see any reason why this knowledge should be excluded from NZ schools.

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Old 19th December 2021, 19:36     #1065
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There are things that are true and there are things that are false. That's it. Knowledge doesn't have an ethnic group.
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Old 19th December 2021, 20:09     #1066
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The relevance, utility and overall value of learning some things that are true over other things that a true does have a subjectiveness. And often (particularly in minorities) the things that are true and also have cultural relevance get more of a buy in from learners from this culture, which is of value.
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Old 19th December 2021, 20:39     #1067
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Meaningless twaddle.
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Old 19th December 2021, 21:36     #1068
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It's a pretty widespread pedagogical principle with some solid research behind it.

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Culturally responsive teaching is about making school learning relevant and effective for learners by drawing on students’ cultural knowledge, life experiences, frames of reference, languages, and performance and communication styles. This means making what students know, and how they know it, the foundation of learning and teaching interactions and curriculum. This is good for all students, but particularly so when there are significant differences between the world of the teacher and the world of the child.
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Old 19th December 2021, 22:33     #1069
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If you're talking about little kids, fine, whatever gets them interested.
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Old 20th December 2021, 15:33     #1070
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For reference:

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Old 20th December 2021, 19:40     #1071
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An understanding of knowledge is there is knowledge that exists independent of time, place, person. Then there is knowledge that exists for a single moment, in a single place. And then there's all that's in between.

There's an argument that science strays beyond that hard edge of what transcends time and space, but let's put that aside. We'll accept that scientific knowledge exclusively exists in this transcendent position.

Looking at the development of scientific knowledge we can see it sometimes, usually, takes a very long time to determine if some knowledge we've developed is truly deserving the hallowed title scientific, that we're often working with knowledge as if it is. We could try be tricky, couch our language saying the knowledge at hand was developed using scientific principles, even if not truly science itself. But by our definition we would have to admit the knowledge was not science.

So in any given moment we're working with a volume of not-science swirling around the tiny volume of actual science we've accumulated. That not-science being knowledge more closely aligned with the here and now, it being used in how we make our decisions, which must occur science or not.

Putting this in context of Maori science, of course science has nothing to do with Maori, as Maori exist in time and space. But we're talking about the implied wider bodies of knowledge, specifically the knowledge of the Maori world coming into contact with the knowledge of the colonised world. By saying Maori science we're saying science exists in the Maori world too. We know it must as the demands of the world are too great for any community, any culture to survive without operating on the basis of that which is true anywhere, all the time.

In the context of colonisation, in the effort to mitigate some of the known impacts, we're considering the implied science of Maori knowledge and we're making a way for that science to have its place in the world.

At least, that's what it looks like to me.
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Old 20th December 2021, 19:51     #1072
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So what you're saying is... indigenous knowledge may indeed help advance scientific knowledge in some ways?

I knew we'd all come together and accomplish something today, seeing as how 20 Dec is Rākaumatohi (just after the full moon) and according to Mātauranga Māori this lunar phase gives us high energy levels.
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Old 20th December 2021, 20:34     #1073
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Cherry picking season starts in Mid December also.
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Old 20th December 2021, 20:41     #1074
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Technically Kohitātea is whenever the fruit are ripe. It's not tied to any particular point on the calendar.
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Old 20th December 2021, 20:46     #1075
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Any scientific knowledge contributes to all scientific knowledge, wouldn't you say?
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Old 21st December 2021, 10:50     #1076
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Beliefs in cures or treatments that are a placebo effect at best and a scam at worst, don't contribute to all scientific knowedge, Indigenous or not.

Then you've got the counter of 'Well if it works for them, does it matter if it's been scientifically proven or not' ? - Which is what I've heard many times when discussing whether or not Indigenous Maori medicine, Traditional Chinese Medicine, etc are on the same playing field as scientificaly proven pharmaceutical medicine.
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Old 21st December 2021, 11:47     #1077
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Beliefs in cures or treatments that are a placebo effect at best and a scam at worst, don't contribute to all scientific knowedge, Indigenous or not.

Then you've got the counter of 'Well if it works for them, does it matter if it's been scientifically proven or not' ? - Which is what I've heard many times when discussing whether or not Indigenous Maori medicine, Traditional Chinese Medicine, etc are on the same playing field as scientificaly proven pharmaceutical medicine.

Ahh, the old "The fact that no disease occured is not evidence that a disease was prevented." argument.
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Old 21st December 2021, 12:13     #1078
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Beliefs in cures or treatments that are a placebo effect at best and a scam at worst, don't contribute to all scientific knowedge, Indigenous or not.
It's our racism that finds things that aren't science and holds them up "look, this isn't science", as if this somehow demonstrates no indigenous knowledge is science. That no capacity for scientific knowledge exists within a particular community.
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Old 21st December 2021, 19:11     #1079
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Science is the system we have for determining whether any given claim is true or not. It doesn't matter which member of which ethnic group makes the claim being tested. If the claim passes through that screen, then it is true. If it doesn't, then it was just belief.

Note: most of what the Western world accepts as "psychology" does not pass through the screen. So that's like , white-people indigenous knowledge.
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Old 21st December 2021, 20:06     #1080
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That's right. And if I was of a culture or group looking to dismiss white indigenous culture I might flash around psychology as proof that the Western system of knowledge isn't science.
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