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Nich · 21st March 2020, 13:49

It's official, we're in the twilight zone:
- Trump puts a moratorium on evictions and foreclosures
- Trump proposes $1,000 per month to everyone. Democrats trying to block this one.
- Proposes tax payers have part ownership of companies that get bailed out with taxpayers money
- Public healthcare "medicare 4 all"

Socialism is being proposed in US, and the biggest opposition is from congressional democrats! Insane.

Cyberbob · 21st March 2020, 14:44

It's not $1k to everyone. It's a tax credit against 2020 taxes, almost a loan.
They're phased based on income too. If you earn over $75k, you don't get the full amount.
And for some reason it's phased out at the bottom too. If you earn less than 23k, or 47k as a couple, you don't get the full amount either.

source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...00-checks.html

Those are the reasons why the Dems are against it. They want a package for everyone, not just particular demographics.

Lightspeed · 21st March 2020, 15:04

This is the kind of insight and perspective I value:

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...210837661.html

Nicholas Thomas - specialist in Asian health security issues, City University of Hong Kong
Steve Tsang - director of the China Institute, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London
Al Edwards - professor and immunologist, University of Reading in the United Kingdom

Al Jazeera has a track record of inviting diverse experts who are effective at dodging leading questions while getting to what they see as the heart of the matter being raised.

I was impressed by the match between the issues raised in this thread and those discussed in the report.

Lightspeed · 21st March 2020, 15:36

Everyone signing up?

https://info.flutracking.net/

Ajax · 21st March 2020, 16:02

Never been much of a fan of Al Jazeera personally. They're ultimately a mouthpiece for the House of Al Thani.

Nich · 21st March 2020, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Everyone signing up?

https://info.flutracking.net/

haha. nice try, Five Eyes

Lightspeed · 22nd March 2020, 11:57

So the world takes a sick day. Can we afford paid leave? Well, of course we can. Yesterday we couldn't, but all of a sudden well actually, yes we can. Cause if we can't, shit's gonna get real for everyone real fast.

Now comes the surprise wellspring of money that was previously unaffordable, certainly not for ensuring a robust healthcare system.

Reality and its damn liberal bias.

Know me. · 22nd March 2020, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

So the world takes a sick day. Can we afford paid leave? Well, of course we can. Yesterday we couldn't, but all of a sudden well actually, yes we can. Cause if we can't, shit's gonna get real for everyone real fast.

Now comes the surprise wellspring of money that was previously unaffordable, certainly not for ensuring a robust healthcare system.

Reality and its damn liberal bias.

The government is going into overdraught to get over this short term emergency.

fixed_truth · 22nd March 2020, 13:07

How about some sort of contingency tax on businesses based on them being able to cover all their costs for a month? Or compulsory pandemic insurance if that's a thing. For when this happens next time.

Nich · 22nd March 2020, 13:37

Australia and New Zealand governments dont have a disease control department. but after this, yes, they probably will put that in place along with a rainy day fund...first of all, we got to make sure there is a next time.

As far as herd immunity goes, we need ~80% of the population to get the disease to recover and be immune. Italy is the world leader to that 80% target, and they are at 1% currently. annnd they just reported 500 dead in last 24 hours, and already using military trucks as hearses.

The other vaccine option is 12-18 months away.

Lightspeed · 22nd March 2020, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Know me.

The government is going into overdraught to get over this short term emergency.

There's some reasonable expectation that there will be reduced social contact across the globe for up to a year, the flow on consequences lasting much longer. I'm not sure how you're framing these circumstances as a "short term emergency".

NZ has more room than most to borrow, something we haven't been taking advantage of to build resilient public services, but we will now.

Ab · 22nd March 2020, 13:50

Read

https://www.wired.com/story/coronavi...pidemiologist/

Nich · 22nd March 2020, 13:54

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...32556312113153

This is Italy, same type of video as seen from Iran and Wuhan.

Then there's youtubers like this guy who gave his "expat opinion" from inside China, and drove to hospitals and funeral homes to show that they were NOT over crowded and death rates were normal. Fuck China. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6B...9M9MQoPhxbarpw

Know me. · 22nd March 2020, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nich

Australia and New Zealand governments dont have a disease control department. but after this, yes, they probably will put that in place along with a rainy day fund...first of all, we got to make sure there is a next time.

As far as herd immunity goes, we need ~80% of the population to get the disease to recover and be immune. Italy is the world leader to that 80% target, and they are at 1% currently. annnd they just reported 500 dead in last 24 hours, and already using military trucks as hearses.

The other vaccine option is 12-18 months away.

With the virus already in the wild the infection rate to gain herd immunity will need to be closer to 100%. The population that remain will be immune. If no vaccine were to be found then the only hope for the more vulnerable parts of the population would be to stay isolated until the rest of the non isolated population get the virus to gain the herd immunity. The numbers of deaths in this scenario are at biblical proportions. A little hope would be that the virus will get more benign as time goes on.

Know me. · 22nd March 2020, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

There's some reasonable expectation that there will be reduced social contact across the globe for up to a year, the flow on consequences lasting much longer. I'm not sure how you're framing these circumstances as a "short term emergency".

NZ has more room than most to borrow, something we haven't been taking advantage of to build resilient public services, but we will now.

Framed in your posts terms of govenment budgets. Something like providing for super in twenty years being long term, education/health medium term.

Ab · 22nd March 2020, 15:49

Australian public-health communications: doing a heckuva job

Bondi beach, Sydney, Friday:

Farmer Joe · 22nd March 2020, 18:34

^^^ wtf?

pxpx · 22nd March 2020, 19:50

Nek minnit tho authorities caught on and cleared it out.

StN · 22nd March 2020, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

How about some sort of contingency tax on businesses based on them being able to cover all their costs for a month? Or compulsory pandemic insurance if that's a thing. For when this happens next time.

It's like you're channeling Bill Gates' and Bernie Sanders' lovechild...

Nich · 22nd March 2020, 23:18

Live feed from the Federal Reserve
https://brrr.money/

fixed_truth · 22nd March 2020, 23:39

VIC & NSW in lockdown now. So our turn must be about Thursday.

Ab · 23rd March 2020, 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I guess this all demonstrates that if climate change was taken seriously enough then the world could mobilise.

So to future proof society we need/more of universal health care (incl. sick leave), universal basic income & privatisation of crucial services for a start. Basically we need a more socialism.

While we have multiple private companies all working around the clock for the prize of being the first to cure the Wuhan coronavirus, I'm also happy with a bit of free enterprise.

MadMax · 23rd March 2020, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Snap, was just coming back to post that.

LOL, Dual citizenship: I could probably travel if I was feeling enough of a selfish twat. Would just take longer.

I wouldn't trust nor risk it but I believe resident Kiwis and Aussies have exceptions to allow travel between the two countries.

Item 1 is effective 21:00 AEDT 20 March 2020:
1. Passengers are not allowed to transit or enter Australia.
- This does not apply to nationals of Australia.
- This does not apply to the immediate family members of nationals of Australia.
- This does not apply to permanent residents of Australia and their immediate family members.
- This does not apply to nationals of New Zealand residing in Australia.
- This does not apply to airline crew.

https://www.iata.org/contentassets/e...v-measures.pdf

Check https://www.iata.org/en/programs/saf...g=Alphabetical

crocos · 23rd March 2020, 01:20

Yeah... but given some of the states in Aussie are closing the internal state borders... Suffice to say that even if I were a selfish enough twat to fly, I wouldn't.

StN · 23rd March 2020, 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

While we have multiple private companies all working around the clock for the prize of being the first to cure the Wuhan coronavirus, I'm also happy with a bit of free enterprise.

Is everyone here donating GFLOPS to Rosetta and Folding at Home via BOINC?

Nich · 23rd March 2020, 14:05

Greetings from Victoria lockdown:
- Third vege garden was planted on weekend
- Chickens almost ready to lay eggs (but I think the cockatoos + magpies intimidate them too much)
- Daily intake of Vit C, Vit D + Reishi, He Shou Wu, Cordyseps, Olive Leaf
- Home gym setup to keep me sane
- My salary job is to start in a week, but that may not be going ahead... we'll see.
- My co-working office in Yackandandah is closed
- Looking forward to having more time for piano practice, playing with synths, and bush walks.

Ajax · 23rd March 2020, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by StN

Is everyone here donating GFLOPS to Rosetta and Folding at Home via BOINC?

I’m panic hoarding all my GFLOPS.

Know me. · 23rd March 2020, 14:29

I did a few jobs on the weekend I have been putting off for months to feel useful. Another big selloff on local markets.

Lightspeed · 23rd March 2020, 15:30

So what's an essential business again? I see the government has released some long documents, but who am I, some businessmen who goes around reading things? I don't think so.

The pressing question here is how long will coffee bean stocks hold up? Like, I feel like maybe that's what I need to panic buy.

Ajax · 23rd March 2020, 15:34

I purchased a large sack of beans last week as the thought of running out of coffee is nightmare fuel.

StN · 23rd March 2020, 16:39

Just got off a conference call - hard calls were made, and it seems that when the beans run out, the essential staff will just have to put up with instant. No man to come in and clean the machine.

To be honest, I expected more fire and brimstone for the end times.

Know me. · 23rd March 2020, 17:35

Yeah but did you get some milk powder?

Nich · 23rd March 2020, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by StN

To be honest, I expected more fire and brimstone for the end times.

Give it time, this party is just getting started.

Today Lines down the street at Centrelink (job club)
Today Bank websites crashing
Yesterday evening people panic-buying booze
Pharmacies in Melbourne already cleared out.

This week people will discover they have no reason to get up in the morning that isn't their shitty desk job.

Lightspeed · 23rd March 2020, 17:43

Oof, those families that discover themselves together when they're better off apart. Divorce lawyers gonn be busy.

For some it will be the crucible that brings their family together, too.

Lightspeed · 23rd March 2020, 17:56

I feel I should be doing more panic buying. Next trip to the supermarket I'm loading up on Frank's Hot Wing sauce.

crocos · 23rd March 2020, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nich

This week people will discover they have no reason to get up in the morning that isn't their shitty desk job.

Heck, even City of Melbourne Bowls Club has shut down. Social member = cheap, good booze. Then again considering the average age of the club that's less than surprising.

At least in Melbourne it's rare you're more than about 1.5k from a green-space. Nice to get outdoors to get a little exercise while waving at people as you walk by them no closer than 2 meters.

I've got a stainless steel chopstick I keep in my pocket that I use for pushing the buttons on the elevator in my apartment building.

Lightspeed · 23rd March 2020, 18:23

I wonder how the drug supply chain is going to be impacted, both legal and otherwise. Good time to have a home brew set up/garden project.

Know me. · 23rd March 2020, 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I wonder how the drug supply chain is going to be impacted, both legal and otherwise. Good time to have a home brew set up/garden project.

boom times coming for both legal and illegal.

Cyberbob · 23rd March 2020, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nich

Socialism is being proposed in US, and the biggest opposition is from congressional democrats! Insane.

Just to expand on this one.

A portion of the bill aimed at helping distressed industries with at least $450 billion in loans includes virtually no restrictions on how the money would be distributed, and a built in delay ofreleasing the names of businesses that receive a bailout, as well as the amounts of those loans, for six months.
It excludes anyone listed as a dependent from age 17 - 24 (i.e. Students)
It's means tested against your FY2018 income.
It's a tax rebate cheque, i.e. you'll get less in your refund when you file in 2021.

It's a corporate bailout disguised as a social democracy bill.

Ab · 23rd March 2020, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Know me.

Yeah but did you get some milk powder?

Times like these I’m glad I started drinking espresso

21st March 2020, 13:49	#281
Nich	It's official, we're in the twilight zone: - Trump puts a moratorium on evictions and foreclosures - Trump proposes $1,000 per month to everyone. Democrats trying to block this one. - Proposes tax payers have part ownership of companies that get bailed out with taxpayers money - Public healthcare "medicare 4 all" Socialism is being proposed in US, and the biggest opposition is from congressional democrats! Insane.

21st March 2020, 14:44	#282
Cyberbob	It's not $1k to everyone. It's a tax credit against 2020 taxes, almost a loan. They're phased based on income too. If you earn over $75k, you don't get the full amount. And for some reason it's phased out at the bottom too. If you earn less than 23k, or 47k as a couple, you don't get the full amount either. source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...00-checks.html Those are the reasons why the Dems are against it. They want a package for everyone, not just particular demographics. __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

21st March 2020, 15:04	#283
Lightspeed	This is the kind of insight and perspective I value: https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...210837661.html Nicholas Thomas - specialist in Asian health security issues, City University of Hong Kong Steve Tsang - director of the China Institute, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London Al Edwards - professor and immunologist, University of Reading in the United Kingdom Al Jazeera has a track record of inviting diverse experts who are effective at dodging leading questions while getting to what they see as the heart of the matter being raised. I was impressed by the match between the issues raised in this thread and those discussed in the report. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

21st March 2020, 15:36	#284
Lightspeed	Everyone signing up? https://info.flutracking.net/ __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

21st March 2020, 16:02	#285
Ajax Architeuthis	Never been much of a fan of Al Jazeera personally. They're ultimately a mouthpiece for the House of Al Thani.

22nd March 2020, 11:57	#287
Lightspeed	So the world takes a sick day. Can we afford paid leave? Well, of course we can. Yesterday we couldn't, but all of a sudden well actually, yes we can. Cause if we can't, shit's gonna get real for everyone real fast. Now comes the surprise wellspring of money that was previously unaffordable, certainly not for ensuring a robust healthcare system. Reality and its damn liberal bias. __________________ Stay shook. No sook. Last edited by Lightspeed : 22nd March 2020 at 11:58.

22nd March 2020, 13:07	#289
fixed_truth	How about some sort of contingency tax on businesses based on them being able to cover all their costs for a month? Or compulsory pandemic insurance if that's a thing. For when this happens next time. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

22nd March 2020, 13:37	#290
Nich	Australia and New Zealand governments dont have a disease control department. but after this, yes, they probably will put that in place along with a rainy day fund...first of all, we got to make sure there is a next time. As far as herd immunity goes, we need ~80% of the population to get the disease to recover and be immune. Italy is the world leader to that 80% target, and they are at 1% currently. annnd they just reported 500 dead in last 24 hours, and already using military trucks as hearses. The other vaccine option is 12-18 months away.

22nd March 2020, 13:50	#292
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Read https://www.wired.com/story/coronavi...pidemiologist/

22nd March 2020, 13:54	#293
Nich	https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...32556312113153 This is Italy, same type of video as seen from Iran and Wuhan. Then there's youtubers like this guy who gave his "expat opinion" from inside China, and drove to hospitals and funeral homes to show that they were NOT over crowded and death rates were normal. Fuck China. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6B...9M9MQoPhxbarpw

22nd March 2020, 15:49	#296
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Australian public-health communications: doing a heckuva job Bondi beach, Sydney, Friday:

22nd March 2020, 18:34	#297
Farmer Joe Word To Your Motherboard!	^^^ wtf?

22nd March 2020, 19:50	#298
pxpx	Nek minnit tho authorities caught on and cleared it out.

22nd March 2020, 23:18	#300
Nich	Live feed from the Federal Reserve https://brrr.money/

22nd March 2020, 23:39	#301
fixed_truth	VIC & NSW in lockdown now. So our turn must be about Thursday. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

23rd March 2020, 01:20	#304
crocos	Yeah... but given some of the states in Aussie are closing the internal state borders... Suffice to say that even if I were a selfish enough twat to fly, I wouldn't. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

23rd March 2020, 14:05	#306
Nich	Greetings from Victoria lockdown: - Third vege garden was planted on weekend - Chickens almost ready to lay eggs (but I think the cockatoos + magpies intimidate them too much) - Daily intake of Vit C, Vit D + Reishi, He Shou Wu, Cordyseps, Olive Leaf - Home gym setup to keep me sane - My salary job is to start in a week, but that may not be going ahead... we'll see. - My co-working office in Yackandandah is closed - Looking forward to having more time for piano practice, playing with synths, and bush walks.

23rd March 2020, 14:29	#308
Know me.	I did a few jobs on the weekend I have been putting off for months to feel useful. Another big selloff on local markets.

23rd March 2020, 15:30	#309
Lightspeed	So what's an essential business again? I see the government has released some long documents, but who am I, some businessmen who goes around reading things? I don't think so. The pressing question here is how long will coffee bean stocks hold up? Like, I feel like maybe that's what I need to panic buy. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

23rd March 2020, 15:34	#310
Ajax Architeuthis	I purchased a large sack of beans last week as the thought of running out of coffee is nightmare fuel.

23rd March 2020, 16:39	#311
StN I have detailed files	Just got off a conference call - hard calls were made, and it seems that when the beans run out, the essential staff will just have to put up with instant. No man to come in and clean the machine. To be honest, I expected more fire and brimstone for the end times.

23rd March 2020, 17:35	#312
Know me.	Yeah but did you get some milk powder?

23rd March 2020, 17:43	#314
Lightspeed	Oof, those families that discover themselves together when they're better off apart. Divorce lawyers gonn be busy. For some it will be the crucible that brings their family together, too. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

23rd March 2020, 17:56	#315
Lightspeed	I feel I should be doing more panic buying. Next trip to the supermarket I'm loading up on Frank's Hot Wing sauce. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

23rd March 2020, 18:23	#317
Lightspeed	I wonder how the drug supply chain is going to be impacted, both legal and otherwise. Good time to have a home brew set up/garden project. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.