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Lightspeed · 7th October 2014, 12:43

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Originally Posted by pxpx

Wow, CCS was right, you do get shitty.

I thought you had been around on the forum for some time? How did you miss that? CCS and the Hate Squad don't have a monopoly on being pathetic.

Spink · 7th October 2014, 13:19

Wait did LS just admit to being pathetic? Most self aware I've ever seen him.

CCS · 7th October 2014, 13:28

It's true. I actually have a band called CCS and the Hate Squad.

Lightspeed · 7th October 2014, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Spink

Wait did LS just admit to being pathetic? Most self aware I've ever seen him.

I've acknowledged my own faults plenty in the past. It's not something I often do as it's a pretty lonely place amongst this group of faultless elites.

CCS · 7th October 2014, 15:02

Lolspeed has a doo-wop band called Lolspeed and the Wah-wahs.

Spink · 7th October 2014, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I've acknowledged my own faults plenty in the past. It's not something I often do as it's a pretty lonely place amongst this group of faultless elites.

Where?

Lightspeed · 7th October 2014, 15:04

It's true, I am sad about the people who have left NZGames citing the acrid vitriolic CCS champions as the reason for leaving.

Lightspeed · 7th October 2014, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Spink

Where?

This forum.

Spink · 7th October 2014, 15:11

I'm pathetic too guys

Lightspeed · 7th October 2014, 15:13

Indeed.

fixed_truth · 7th October 2014, 17:12

Interesting discussion between Ben Affleck calls Bill Maher:

Quote:

"How about the more than a billion people who are not fanatical, who don't punish women, who just want to go to school, have some sandwiches, pray five times a day and don't do any of the things that 'all Muslims do'?" Said Affleck, leaning across the table, clearly infuriated by Maher and Harris.

"You're stereotyping. You're taking a few bad things and you're painting the whole religion with that same brush," Affleck said.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/...nd-disgusting/

pxpx · 7th October 2014, 17:19

The entire video is much more interesting than that 30s clip. The article glosses over the meat of the conversation too.

Unfortunately it's been blocked on youtube

Affleck is a terrible debater, compared to the others on the panel.

Omegakai · 9th October 2014, 12:25

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...leadership-bid

I actually like this guy, he's very relatable and normal looking.

Ab · 9th October 2014, 13:14

Little is a list mp who barely scraped into parliament and who has been rejected by the voters of his electorate (new plymouth) in 2 consecutive elections. In his time purportedly representing Labour to the good people of that fair city New Plymouth has gone from a wafer-thin marginal (like, 100 votes) to a 4000-vote national win in 2011 to a 9000-vote national win last month.

Little has the Labour-standard work history of student union, union, labour list, parliament. The only reason he is even considered in a leadership contest is the fact that he's the former general secretary of the Engineering, Printing, and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) and thus represents union money - well that and the fact that the EPMU delegate votes are each worth 29 Labour Party member votes.

Little is also the legal genius behind labour's preelection proposal to make cases of alleged sexual assault "guilty unless proven innocent".

BoyWonder · 9th October 2014, 13:18

The poll on that page could read: What role should Andrew Little play in the Labour leadership contest?

None - he should keep out
Humanitarian aid only
Logistical support
Full combat

CCS · 9th October 2014, 13:45

So we've got Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer.

Or is that Cunt, Useless and Fucktard?

fixed_truth · 9th October 2014, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Omegakai

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...leadership-bid

I actually like this guy, he's very relatable and normal looking.

Yeah like Shearer he comes across as a genuine good guy. But out of the three contenders there's only one that can tackle Key. It will be interesting to see how Littles presence effects the voting ie union support.

pxpx · 9th October 2014, 15:49

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

out of the three contenders there's only one that can tackle Key.

Which is?

fixed_truth · 9th October 2014, 16:05

The guy who won the leaders debates and scored 17.9 on the last preferred leader poll after just 11 months in the job.

CCS · 9th October 2014, 16:20

Nah, I'm drawing a blank.

Ab · 9th October 2014, 19:55

The last poll before the election was the Herald's poll of 17 September, which had Cunliffe on 16.2%. The same poll had Labour on 25.9%. In other words even BEFORE the election nearly 40% of Labour voters didn't want Cunliffe.

fixed_truth · 9th October 2014, 21:10

Yeah I knew the ones leading up to the election were relatively good compared to the past few years. For some reason the 17th one hasn't been included on the elections wiki page.

But yeah, easily the best of the three contenders.

Ab · 9th October 2014, 21:15

I agree. Cunliffe's the worst campaigner in the history of politics, but he's STILL better than the white unionist guy from Wellington and the other white unionist guy from Wellington.

cyc · 9th October 2014, 23:11

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

But out of the three contenders there's only one that can tackle Key.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Seriously, are you really so deluded to think that Cuntliffe has even the slightest chance of upsetting a Key-led government? This leadership contest by Labour is just riveting stuff -- we have dumb, hypocritical fuck; fat gay unionist, and out-moded unionist (even by union standards) leading the charge. Key must be shitting his pants with fear.

I mean, this formula has worked SO well over the last few years

fixed_truth · 9th October 2014, 23:58

Most political commentators seemed to forecast the elections results a lot tighter and that Cunliffe had a chance to upset Key with NZF the kingmaker.

cyc · 10th October 2014, 00:04

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Most political commentators seemed to forecast the elections results a lot tighter and that Cunliffe had a chance to upset Key with NZF the kingmaker.

Err, who cares about FORECASTS when people have actually voted?

Lightspeed · 10th October 2014, 01:07

I think political commentators and the voting public are different sets of people. Why people voted they way they did is complex, not simply because Cuncliffe = wrong guy for job, or any simple equation.

CCS · 10th October 2014, 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

The guy who won the leaders debates and scored 17.9 on the last preferred leader poll after just 11 months in the job.

You're saying Cunliffe won the leaders debates? That's funny.

fixed_truth · 10th October 2014, 08:56

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Originally Posted by CCS

You're saying Cunliffe won the leaders debates? That's funny.

Not really. The 4 Herald commentators on the debates (which included the comparatively conservative Audrey Young, John Armstrong, Fran O'Sullivan) scored the 4 debates Cunliffe, Key, Cunliffe, Draw.

CCS · 10th October 2014, 09:14

You're kind of conflating what the commentators said. You could say he won some debates. But to use that as a pro for Cunliffe over the other Labour leadership contenders is kind of bogus, isn't it? You're comparing them against Cunliffe in something only Cunliffe has taken part in.

Debate 1 winner:
David Cunliffe
David Cunliffe
David Cunliffe
John Key

Debate 2 winner:
John Key
John Key
John Key
John Key

Debate 3 winner:
David Cunliffe
David Cunliffe
John Key
Draw

Debate 4 winner:
David Cunliffe
John Key
Draw
Winston Peters

So that's the opinion of some commentators. If you're judging the winner on who yelled over the top of the other person the most, then definitely Cunliffe wins it. But then again, I think the debates were a shameful spectacle. The loser in these debates is the public. They watch the debates and say "What a pair of cocks. I don't want to vote for either of them but maybe I should just vote for the person I loathe the least."

Omegakai · 10th October 2014, 10:24

"debate" pffffft whatever.
So unimpressed with the so called "debates" . DC is very good at parliamentary debate hes very strong in this area however in the public media he comes across smarmy, car sales , school boy prefect type. Which to most people is not very relatable.
Little is no were as good as DC at debating, but his public persona is way more down to earth and less showman aka more natural.

I’m interested to see what people think about JK resigning at the end of this term, because the vibe I get is he’s setting things up so he can move on with his life.
Its still early days I guess, and its all speculation, but what do our resident right wing nutters think about potential replacements for JK?

CCS · 10th October 2014, 10:55

Judith

pxpx · 10th October 2014, 11:10

The best man for the job is definitely the man who has already failed at that job.

fixed_truth · 10th October 2014, 12:08

^well not definitely, but yeah this has been the case previously.

@omega - yeah I agree on Little, the only thing that worries me is his electorate results. But as long as Robertson doesn't get in then I'll be happy.

Ab · 10th October 2014, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Omegakai

Little ... less showman aka more natural.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you the moment that Gangnam Style died.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6wBcwj59F4

blynk · 10th October 2014, 14:43

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Originally Posted by cyc

; fat gay unionist

I never realised that size & sexual orientation mattered.

Spink · 10th October 2014, 14:44

welcome to planet earth. It is inhabited by flawed human beings, not PC aspie automatons.

Lightspeed · 10th October 2014, 14:47

A great reason to act out our bullshit on whoever we please if ever their was one. "I'm only flawed, you PC aspie automaton!"

Ab · 10th October 2014, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by blynk

I never realised that size & sexual orientation mattered.

Ahahaha

wait, serious?

Spink · 10th October 2014, 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

A great reason to act out our bullshit on whoever we please if ever their was one. "I'm only flawed, you PC aspie automaton!"

Who was saying that?

7th October 2014, 13:28	#2803
CCS Stunt Pants	It's true. I actually have a band called CCS and the Hate Squad. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

7th October 2014, 15:02	#2805
CCS Stunt Pants	Lolspeed has a doo-wop band called Lolspeed and the Wah-wahs. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

9th October 2014, 13:45	#2816
CCS Stunt Pants	So we've got Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer. Or is that Cunt, Useless and Fucktard? __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

9th October 2014, 16:20	#2820
CCS Stunt Pants	Nah, I'm drawing a blank. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

10th October 2014, 09:14	#2830
CCS Stunt Pants	You're kind of conflating what the commentators said. You could say he won some debates. But to use that as a pro for Cunliffe over the other Labour leadership contenders is kind of bogus, isn't it? You're comparing them against Cunliffe in something only Cunliffe has taken part in. Debate 1 winner: David Cunliffe David Cunliffe David Cunliffe John Key Debate 2 winner: John Key John Key John Key John Key Debate 3 winner: David Cunliffe David Cunliffe John Key Draw Debate 4 winner: David Cunliffe John Key Draw Winston Peters So that's the opinion of some commentators. If you're judging the winner on who yelled over the top of the other person the most, then definitely Cunliffe wins it. But then again, I think the debates were a shameful spectacle. The loser in these debates is the public. They watch the debates and say "What a pair of cocks. I don't want to vote for either of them but maybe I should just vote for the person I loathe the least." __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

7th October 2014, 13:19	#2802
Spink	Wait did LS just admit to being pathetic? Most self aware I've ever seen him. __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

7th October 2014, 15:04	#2807
Lightspeed	It's true, I am sad about the people who have left NZGames citing the acrid vitriolic CCS champions as the reason for leaving. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

7th October 2014, 15:11	#2809
Spink	I'm pathetic too guys __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

7th October 2014, 15:13	#2810
Lightspeed	Indeed. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

7th October 2014, 17:19	#2812
pxpx	The entire video is much more interesting than that 30s clip. The article glosses over the meat of the conversation too. Unfortunately it's been blocked on youtube Affleck is a terrible debater, compared to the others on the panel.

9th October 2014, 12:25	#2813
Omegakai	http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...leadership-bid I actually like this guy, he's very relatable and normal looking. __________________ why is a raven like a writing desk? "Because the notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes"

9th October 2014, 13:14	#2814
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Little is a list mp who barely scraped into parliament and who has been rejected by the voters of his electorate (new plymouth) in 2 consecutive elections. In his time purportedly representing Labour to the good people of that fair city New Plymouth has gone from a wafer-thin marginal (like, 100 votes) to a 4000-vote national win in 2011 to a 9000-vote national win last month. Little has the Labour-standard work history of student union, union, labour list, parliament. The only reason he is even considered in a leadership contest is the fact that he's the former general secretary of the Engineering, Printing, and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) and thus represents union money - well that and the fact that the EPMU delegate votes are each worth 29 Labour Party member votes. Little is also the legal genius behind labour's preelection proposal to make cases of alleged sexual assault "guilty unless proven innocent".

9th October 2014, 13:18	#2815
BoyWonder	The poll on that page could read: What role should Andrew Little play in the Labour leadership contest? None - he should keep out Humanitarian aid only Logistical support Full combat

9th October 2014, 16:05	#2819
fixed_truth	The guy who won the leaders debates and scored 17.9 on the last preferred leader poll after just 11 months in the job. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

9th October 2014, 19:55	#2821
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	The last poll before the election was the Herald's poll of 17 September, which had Cunliffe on 16.2%. The same poll had Labour on 25.9%. In other words even BEFORE the election nearly 40% of Labour voters didn't want Cunliffe.

9th October 2014, 21:10	#2822
fixed_truth	Yeah I knew the ones leading up to the election were relatively good compared to the past few years. For some reason the 17th one hasn't been included on the elections wiki page. But yeah, easily the best of the three contenders. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

9th October 2014, 21:15	#2823
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I agree. Cunliffe's the worst campaigner in the history of politics, but he's STILL better than the white unionist guy from Wellington and the other white unionist guy from Wellington.

9th October 2014, 23:58	#2825
fixed_truth	Most political commentators seemed to forecast the elections results a lot tighter and that Cunliffe had a chance to upset Key with NZF the kingmaker. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

10th October 2014, 01:07	#2827
Lightspeed	I think political commentators and the voting public are different sets of people. Why people voted they way they did is complex, not simply because Cuncliffe = wrong guy for job, or any simple equation. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

10th October 2014, 10:24	#2831
Omegakai	"debate" pffffft whatever. So unimpressed with the so called "debates" . DC is very good at parliamentary debate hes very strong in this area however in the public media he comes across smarmy, car sales , school boy prefect type. Which to most people is not very relatable. Little is no were as good as DC at debating, but his public persona is way more down to earth and less showman aka more natural. I’m interested to see what people think about JK resigning at the end of this term, because the vibe I get is he’s setting things up so he can move on with his life. Its still early days I guess, and its all speculation, but what do our resident right wing nutters think about potential replacements for JK? __________________ why is a raven like a writing desk? "Because the notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes"

10th October 2014, 10:55	#2832
CCS Stunt Pants	^^^ Judith __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

10th October 2014, 11:10	#2833
pxpx	The best man for the job is definitely the man who has already failed at that job.

10th October 2014, 12:08	#2834
fixed_truth	^well not definitely, but yeah this has been the case previously. @omega - yeah I agree on Little, the only thing that worries me is his electorate results. But as long as Robertson doesn't get in then I'll be happy. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

10th October 2014, 14:44	#2837
Spink	welcome to planet earth. It is inhabited by flawed human beings, not PC aspie automatons. __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

10th October 2014, 14:47	#2838
Lightspeed	A great reason to act out our bullshit on whoever we please if ever their was one. "I'm only flawed, you PC aspie automaton!" __________________ Stay shook. No sook.