seal shooting to whale clubbing

blur^ · 27th November 2012, 11:55

ok i saw that and chuckled..
but seriously, its not tiddlywinks

i dont know what hore was up to, whether it was malicious or not but holy shit chill the fuck out world media, its not the first time someone has thrown a punch or whatever in rugby and it wont be the last. the welsh coach is acting like they have never been cited or red carded in the history of the game, shut the fuck up! take your rubbish team back to the paddock and run some drills and eat your words about the world cup final

and as for the english media, prepare to be fucking destroyed

Rince · 27th November 2012, 12:26

I believe he should be cited. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/a...attack-on-Hore among other stuff links show it from 3-4 different camera angles and it was uncalled for. Total brain fade on Hore's part).
I also think it's a shame that's all the Northern Hemisphere press can talk about post-game....

xor · 27th November 2012, 12:31

He should be gone for 6 weeks minimum.

ZoSo · 27th November 2012, 12:53

Can't agree man. The guy is a munter and it's a cheapshot from behind. You can't expect him to get a free ride after we've all had a whinge about cheap shots on our legendary McCaw.
Like xor says, give the clown a long stint.

Vrtigo · 27th November 2012, 12:54

clearly premeditated. why do players even attempt these biffs? its just going to be analyzed over and over in replays...

Ab · 27th November 2012, 13:03

An act of cheap thuggery, bring on a long suspension.

Zo's right, if this was done against us you'd never hear the end of the crying about it.

blynk · 27th November 2012, 14:15

I had a quick look at the video. It was a bit stupid, but I didn't think he was trying to slug the guy. Maybe more to try to grab him into the ruck so he was there in the defensive line.

Also, I don't believe that hit knocked him out. It was the accidental knee as Hore when into the ruck that would have knocked him out.

Ab · 27th November 2012, 14:22

Oh please, Hore king hit the guy from behind and then "oh whoops your head just happened to be where my knee landed when I illegally dived into a ruck".

Fuck him.

BoyWonder · 27th November 2012, 14:28

The BBC have apparently released a video which shows the Welshman looking over his shoulder a couple of times and changing direction to deliberately impede Hore. Not that it really means "feel free to knock me out" but it might be a mitigating factor in the decision.

Ab · 27th November 2012, 14:31

Oh BULLSHIT, Davies was just doing his job. The overhead view shows Davies running a good line to prevent Hore getting to the breakdown quickly and Hore just has a fucking roidrage moment.

ZoSo · 27th November 2012, 14:34

Yeah that's gotta be one of the funniest things I've read all year. Either eyes tested or pass around the green stuff, pronto. edit: re blynk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=3sWG2eHDPTg#!

Not sure how you think an All Black trained no.2's swinging arm from behind, connecting with the jawline, isn't going to knock someone out.

Baxton · 27th November 2012, 14:38

moronic. even more so when you look at our hooker situation atm.

Deadmeat · 27th November 2012, 15:48

I was a bit pissed at Jane getting a yellow, kind of felt like the refs getting their own back for missing Hore. Yes he intentionally tapped the ball, but he was also looking to regain it as he's done a number of times before. Penalty sure, yellow? Sour grapes imo.

Deadmeat · 27th November 2012, 16:03

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20487856
About halfway through the video on that page you see what caused Hore to get stupid, Davis changes his line 2-3 times and tries to hold Hore back. Not to excuse Hore's stupidity, but Davis was kind of asking for a hit of some sort having seen that replay.

blur^ · 27th November 2012, 16:23

whoa whoa, i didnt mean he shouldnt be punished
but its turning into a lynching, he doesnt have a history (that i know of) so its his first offense. also deadmeat is right, the guy was lazy running and obstructing the defender getting to the ruck, he didnt deserve to get smashed in the head but getting nailed from behind to clear him off the ruck was fully justified imo

i am just sick of the media labelling the all blacks as a whole a team of thugs etc etc, that interview from the welsh coach sounded like he was deflecting the fact his team is fucking SHIT and trying to focus everything on hore

Vrtigo · 27th November 2012, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20487856
About halfway through the video on that page you see what caused Hore to get stupid, Davis changes his line 2-3 times and tries to hold Hore back. Not to excuse Hore's stupidity, but Davis was kind of asking for a hit of some sort having seen that replay.

what? fuck off. thats proper rugby.

hores lucky he didnt fucking kill the guy - a chop like that to the side of the neck can cause big neck and spine injuries.

blur^ · 27th November 2012, 16:33

watched it again, it was early and i was drunk so was misremembering
wasnt a ruck and im not defending the swinging arm, should be treated like any other striking case

but the english media need to get off the lynch bandwagon, the all blacks are one of, if not the best disciplined side in the world. thats not what our game is about

CCS · 27th November 2012, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by blynk

Also, I don't believe that hit knocked him out. It was the accidental knee as Hore when into the ruck that would have knocked him out.

I've been wondering the same thing. It looks as though Hore clobbered Davis around the face with his forearm, which brought him to the ground. Then it looks as though his left knee smacked the guy in the head once he was on the ground, delivering the knockout blow.

That said, the footage I've seen on the web is too low quality to show decisively whether his knee made contact with Davis's head. Whilst I wouldn't expect a forearm to the face to knock a person out, the guy does go down almost instantly. So... I dunno... knock out from forearm? Or Davis running into a forearm creating a pivot which sent him to the ground violently, followed by knee to the head? Cumulative effect of two blows>

Anyway, it's all academic. Net result: Hore caused the guy to get knocked out. He'll get his beans and the British sports press will carry on as though Hore is the first person to knock a guy out in rugby.

Deadmeat · 27th November 2012, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Vrtigo

what? fuck off. thats proper rugby.

hores lucky he didnt fucking kill the guy - a chop like that to the side of the neck can cause big neck and spine injuries.

Yes, and so is brutally clearing out a player that's intentionally put himself in the wrong place. Now stop acting like you're trying out for a job with the english press and wipe the foam from your mouth.

Ab · 27th November 2012, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur^

the guy was lazy running and obstructing the defender getting to the ruck, he didnt deserve to get smashed in the head but getting nailed from behind to clear him off the ruck was fully justified imo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadmeat

Davis changes his line 2-3 times and tries to hold Hore back ... Davis was kind of asking for a hit of some sort having seen that replay.

You're both retarded. Please learn the rules of the beautiful game of rugby before you embarrass yourselves further.

Hore made an unprovoked attack on an opposition player, striking him in the head from behind with no warning and for no reason. That makes him a fucking gutless little bitch, and I hope he takes a long break. Hey, could Davies lay a criminal complaint of assault? That would be even better.

Saladin · 27th November 2012, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Hey, could Davies lay a criminal complaint of assault? That would be even better.

The BBC panellists seemed to think this was a possibility

blur^ · 27th November 2012, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

You're both retarded. Please learn the rules of the beautiful game of rugby before you embarrass yourselves further.

Hore made an unprovoked attack on an opposition player, striking him in the head from behind with no warning and for no reason. That makes him a fucking gutless little bitch, and I hope he takes a long break. Hey, could Davies lay a criminal complaint of assault? That would be even better.

um so "an offside player may not enter a ruck, maul or scrum" is not a rule in union?
he was in an offside position running towards a maul that was forming a ruck
clearing out an offside player is justified, using a forearm to the face is not

Deadmeat · 27th November 2012, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

You're both retarded. Please learn the rules of the beautiful game of rugby before you embarrass yourselves further.

I'm truly interested in why you think knowing the rules to soccer will help?

Ab · 27th November 2012, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur^

um so "an offside player may not enter a ruck, maul or scrum" is not a rule in union?
he was in an offside position running towards a maul that was forming a ruck
clearing out an offside player is justified, using a forearm to the face is not

I see you have failed in the two tasks set for you: learning the rules of rugby, and not embarrassing yourself further.

blur^ · 27th November 2012, 17:49

Quote:

Players joining the maul. Players joining a maul must do so from behind the foot of the
hindmost team-mate in the maul. The player may join alongside this player. If the player
joins the maul from the opponents’ side, or in front of the hindmost team-mate, the player is
offside.

http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/Law_17_EN.pdf

Ab · 27th November 2012, 17:50

CCS · 27th November 2012, 18:21

Uncertain if blur = srs.

fixed_truth · 27th November 2012, 19:13

Looks to me like Hore was going into the ruck, Davis was in his path, so he decided to give him a big swinging stiff-arm to the back of the neck.

Stupid & careless from Hore. So yeah 4 - 6 weeks.

Ab · 27th November 2012, 19:24

Careless is "I was swinging my arm at head height and I didn't notice that someone was standing in the path of my swing". What Hore did was intentional.

fixed_truth · 27th November 2012, 19:45

Yeah the swinging arm was a deliberate act. Careless in that I'm not sure he intended to fuck the guy up so bad but should have realized that when you're a powerhouse Allblack and you try and take a guy out like that there's a chance you're gonna more than just knock him over.

blur^ · 29th November 2012, 09:24

8 weeks, reduced to 5 due to his record and remorse
ruled that he did not intend to connect with his head

Baxton · 29th November 2012, 09:39

seems fair. reading about it, some of the international commentators were calling for a life time ban....haha wtf

blur^ · 29th November 2012, 10:55

yeah what a joke
they seem to forget that this guy back in feb got 7 weeks for a dangerous tip tackle, which could be argued is more serious than a swinging arm and hore having never been cited in his career

classic high horse, cant wait for the english media to condemn the decision

27th November 2012, 12:26	#2
Rince SLUTS!!!!!!!	I believe he should be cited. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/a...attack-on-Hore among other stuff links show it from 3-4 different camera angles and it was uncalled for. Total brain fade on Hore's part). I also think it's a shame that's all the Northern Hemisphere press can talk about post-game.... __________________ Slow internet is worse than no internet. It's like putting your penis in once and then being required to make out for 2 hours --Matt "The Oatmeal" Inman

27th November 2012, 18:21	#27
CCS Stunt Pants	Uncertain if blur = srs. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

27th November 2012, 11:55	#1
blur^	seal shooting to whale clubbing ok i saw that and chuckled.. but seriously, its not tiddlywinks i dont know what hore was up to, whether it was malicious or not but holy shit chill the fuck out world media, its not the first time someone has thrown a punch or whatever in rugby and it wont be the last. the welsh coach is acting like they have never been cited or red carded in the history of the game, shut the fuck up! take your rubbish team back to the paddock and run some drills and eat your words about the world cup final and as for the english media, prepare to be fucking destroyed Last edited by blur^ : 27th November 2012 at 11:56.

27th November 2012, 12:31	#3
xor	He should be gone for 6 weeks minimum.

27th November 2012, 12:53	#4
ZoSo	Can't agree man. The guy is a munter and it's a cheapshot from behind. You can't expect him to get a free ride after we've all had a whinge about cheap shots on our legendary McCaw. Like xor says, give the clown a long stint.

27th November 2012, 12:54	#5
Vrtigo Marginal Poster	clearly premeditated. why do players even attempt these biffs? its just going to be analyzed over and over in replays...

27th November 2012, 13:03	#6
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	An act of cheap thuggery, bring on a long suspension. Zo's right, if this was done against us you'd never hear the end of the crying about it.

27th November 2012, 14:15	#7
blynk	I had a quick look at the video. It was a bit stupid, but I didn't think he was trying to slug the guy. Maybe more to try to grab him into the ruck so he was there in the defensive line. Also, I don't believe that hit knocked him out. It was the accidental knee as Hore when into the ruck that would have knocked him out.

27th November 2012, 14:22	#8
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Oh please, Hore king hit the guy from behind and then "oh whoops your head just happened to be where my knee landed when I illegally dived into a ruck". Fuck him.

27th November 2012, 14:28	#9
BoyWonder	The BBC have apparently released a video which shows the Welshman looking over his shoulder a couple of times and changing direction to deliberately impede Hore. Not that it really means "feel free to knock me out" but it might be a mitigating factor in the decision.

27th November 2012, 14:31	#10
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Oh BULLSHIT, Davies was just doing his job. The overhead view shows Davies running a good line to prevent Hore getting to the breakdown quickly and Hore just has a fucking roidrage moment.

27th November 2012, 14:34	#11
ZoSo	Yeah that's gotta be one of the funniest things I've read all year. Either eyes tested or pass around the green stuff, pronto. edit: re blynk http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=3sWG2eHDPTg#! Not sure how you think an All Black trained no.2's swinging arm from behind, connecting with the jawline, isn't going to knock someone out.

27th November 2012, 14:38	#12
Baxton	moronic. even more so when you look at our hooker situation atm.

27th November 2012, 15:48	#13
Deadmeat	I was a bit pissed at Jane getting a yellow, kind of felt like the refs getting their own back for missing Hore. Yes he intentionally tapped the ball, but he was also looking to regain it as he's done a number of times before. Penalty sure, yellow? Sour grapes imo.

27th November 2012, 16:03	#14
Deadmeat	http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/20487856 About halfway through the video on that page you see what caused Hore to get stupid, Davis changes his line 2-3 times and tries to hold Hore back. Not to excuse Hore's stupidity, but Davis was kind of asking for a hit of some sort having seen that replay.

27th November 2012, 16:23	#15
blur^	whoa whoa, i didnt mean he shouldnt be punished but its turning into a lynching, he doesnt have a history (that i know of) so its his first offense. also deadmeat is right, the guy was lazy running and obstructing the defender getting to the ruck, he didnt deserve to get smashed in the head but getting nailed from behind to clear him off the ruck was fully justified imo i am just sick of the media labelling the all blacks as a whole a team of thugs etc etc, that interview from the welsh coach sounded like he was deflecting the fact his team is fucking SHIT and trying to focus everything on hore Last edited by blur^ : 27th November 2012 at 16:27.

27th November 2012, 16:33	#17
blur^	watched it again, it was early and i was drunk so was misremembering wasnt a ruck and im not defending the swinging arm, should be treated like any other striking case but the english media need to get off the lynch bandwagon, the all blacks are one of, if not the best disciplined side in the world. thats not what our game is about

27th November 2012, 19:13	#28
fixed_truth	Looks to me like Hore was going into the ruck, Davis was in his path, so he decided to give him a big swinging stiff-arm to the back of the neck. Stupid & careless from Hore. So yeah 4 - 6 weeks. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

27th November 2012, 19:24	#29
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Careless is "I was swinging my arm at head height and I didn't notice that someone was standing in the path of my swing". What Hore did was intentional.

27th November 2012, 19:45	#30
fixed_truth	Yeah the swinging arm was a deliberate act. Careless in that I'm not sure he intended to fuck the guy up so bad but should have realized that when you're a powerhouse Allblack and you try and take a guy out like that there's a chance you're gonna more than just knock him over. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

29th November 2012, 09:24	#31
blur^	8 weeks, reduced to 5 due to his record and remorse ruled that he did not intend to connect with his head

29th November 2012, 09:39	#32
Baxton	seems fair. reading about it, some of the international commentators were calling for a life time ban....haha wtf

29th November 2012, 10:55	#33
blur^	yeah what a joke they seem to forget that this guy back in feb got 7 weeks for a dangerous tip tackle, which could be argued is more serious than a swinging arm and hore having never been cited in his career classic high horse, cant wait for the english media to condemn the decision Last edited by blur^ : 29th November 2012 at 10:57.