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13th August 2014, 18:42 | #1 |
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#hagerbook
Twitter lighting up today from media insiders at Hager's book launch but nobody's fucking saying what's actually IN it.
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13th August 2014, 18:46 | #2 | |
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...wden-documents
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13th August 2014, 18:46 | #3 |
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From what I can see it's a dump of communications between National, Cameron Slater and some others.
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13th August 2014, 18:48 | #4 |
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You've seen the book?
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13th August 2014, 19:02 | #5 | ||
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13th August 2014, 19:09 | #6 | |
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NZH has posted some more tidbits:
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13th August 2014, 19:28 | #7 | |
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13th August 2014, 20:18 | #8 | |
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Hmmm, maybe it's not all just hot air
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13th August 2014, 20:38 | #9 |
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If #1 is the Drupal clusterfuck that we all laughed at back in June 2011, I can't see - without having read anything in the book of course - how that counts as anyone hacking the site. It was wide open to the Internet and all that shit was visible to anyone who cared to look.
Unless of course some National uberhaxx0r broke in, saw what was there, set all the directories to open and indexable, and then told Slater? Or maybe Hager is using a nontechnical person's definition of "hacked", i.e. "looked". #2 on the other hand, well that's a whole new bag of worms. If that's true it's fucking nuclear, goodbye election stuff. |
13th August 2014, 21:28 | #10 | |
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plenty of retards (as well you know) who are good at self-deception.
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14th August 2014, 06:19 | #11 |
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Hager is a nutcase.
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14th August 2014, 08:33 | #12 |
I have detailed files
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"Mangrove" - LOL! Judith, you crack me up. Poor old plughead.
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14th August 2014, 09:16 | #13 | |
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14th August 2014, 10:12 | #14 |
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Danyl M has posted a more detailed summary this morning:
http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/08...itics-summary/ After reading that my reaction was basically "that's it?" I see today that the rhetoric has cooled from "The PM's office broke into Labour's computers and stole stuff!!!1" to "In 2011, Slater was alerted to a hole in the Labour Party website which allowed him to access huge amounts of personal information about members" (nzh). |
14th August 2014, 11:17 | #15 |
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No one who supports National's bullying behaviour is going to find anything shocking in that. In fact I imagine some will applaud what's been detailed.
I think some fence sitters are going to struggle to swallow the relationship between Slater and Collins.
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14th August 2014, 11:52 | #16 |
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From what I've read of readings of the book, the "PM staffer wrote an OIA request of classified material for Slater and then made sure the things that the OIA request listed were declassified in order to be given to Slater" bit is the most dodgy. All the other "downloaded Labour donor list", "gets paid to write puff pieces for private industry", "has personal contact with politicians right up to Ministers" stuff is just meh. Slater is an ambitious, hardworking, vindictive private citizen with an array of publicly-acknowledged mental health issues who runs a blog. Some of the things he posts on his blog make me want to stab myself in the face. Big fucking deal.
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14th August 2014, 13:03 | #17 |
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Interesting, 2 minutes spent in the car listening to part of an interview with Mike Hosking today then he was asked why he thinks he is justified in publishing his "obtained information" which he's not prepared to show/prove he has, but when asked why he thought Whaleoil shouldnt be doing the same.... ummmmmmmmmmmm, sorry I dont have an answer.,..
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14th August 2014, 13:24 | #18 |
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As numerous people far more infosec savvy than me have commented (pipes? chip in buddy) the whaleoil.co.nz DDOS, the whaleoil.co.nz site cloning, and the copied correspondence seem to be different things.
I can't see how some of the things that are reported to be in Hager's book could possibly have been obtained through a website hack. Emails, facebook messages. I'm guessing (or have seen it suggested by more cleverer people) that the DDOS was just a smokescreen or diversion for a concerted hack campaign on Slater's life. It looks like Slater got owned from top to bottom, and whoever did it fed what he got to Hager for the book. |
14th August 2014, 13:57 | #19 |
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The problem here is there's not much to chip in about. There's a big pieces of the puzzle missing.
In the book, Hager says he got a USB key delivered with a bunch of stuff on it. Chats, Emails etc. He also says there's a correlation with the DDoS attack that occurred against the site after "that" post. He doesn't provide any additional detail (nor have I seen any other comments) about what that correlation is. Fact of the matter is it's hard to guess what the correlation may be if any other than a smoke screen for other activity. I haven't seen or heard any details of what sort of DDoS occurred (fat bandwidth or application exhaustion) but that may provide some possible insight. If the site was popped, I doubt there would be access to Facebook chats or E-Mails (with exception to E-mail possibly residing on the same shared host. but who does that now days?). There would be however, access to credentials for the WO site itself. If these were in the clear or cracked then there is a possibility of password reuse occurring to access other services. There is also the possibility malware was planted and then used to pop WO's desktop and then data was ex-filtrated that way. Either way, someone went out of their way to grab the data and that will be the focus of any police investigation. From a forensics PoV I'd assume they look for two kinds of evidence, access logs (website, E-Mail etc) and any transport logs. The later is likely non-existent and given how long it's been (almost 6 months) since the DDoS and then further hacks, it would not be surprising to see the logs no longer exist. Until something hits court, we most probably will never know. With regards to the Labour site hack, this is old news that it occurred. IIRC there was something like /backups/ with directory indexing enabled and they dumped the SQL files (someone who knows help me out here, I didn't follow this case). The point raised in the book about this is not so much that people accessed the data but the fact that log analysis showed that the Nats did so and then denied it. The bit in the book goes into specifics (IP address access times etc.) as well as collaborating E-Mails between Slater and others about the access. I assume someone else involved has handed over the access_logs as well as part of all of this. |
14th August 2014, 14:02 | #20 |
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ver-email-leak
Has some updates: "Slater said he became aware of the hack when he noticed something was "not right" with his email. "I changed the password and went on a mad dash to change all other passwords." ""I suspect they entered Gmail through brute force attack - Kim might like to boast how it was done. It doesn't matter. After about 15 minutes I shut them out. Of about 80G of information, they were disconnected after getting only 8G of it."" ... This all looks like password reuse to me. |
14th August 2014, 14:24 | #21 |
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whaleoil.co.nz MX is pointing at Google Apps, so I presume that's what Slater means by "Gmail". A bruteforce attempt on Google Apps sets off alarm bells all over the place and locks the account down, so I doubt that happened.
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14th August 2014, 14:25 | #22 |
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Or he moved after the attack.
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14th August 2014, 14:37 | #23 |
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WO moved behind cloudflare after the DDOS,
anyone got any historical DNS records tool in case it was moved? If the dude was using Google apps and not using 2fa... then yeah as for the labour donations site hack... misconfigured software http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...te-compromised As I said cheekily last night... Id fucking lol if slater was using Yahoo/Xtra mail when he got comprimised As for his facebook messages etc... anyone aware of any tool that syncs Facebook messages to an email store? If not then a box of his somewhere got popped, and all those yeards of messages stored in FB messenger chat got sucked down. anyway... old mate @failymonster is involved somewhere... if not in multiple areas
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14th August 2014, 15:31 | #24 |
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WO is running Wordpress; wouldn't be surprised if Slater had some Facebook-connection plugin installed for comments/user accounts. If the site got "popped" then I could imagine the intruder snopping FB credentials that way.
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Also dotcom must be keeping the email where Key talks about him until sep15th lol
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14th August 2014, 18:11 | #27 | |
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15th August 2014, 13:52 | #28 |
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Some guy at work said there is an email trail. Any proof on that?
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15th August 2014, 14:00 | #29 | |
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I just don't know how you'd ever prove something like that. Check it out, here's an email I just received via an anonymous informant:
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The only way I can think of verifying this is if xor were a government employee using a government computer, and someone were to file an OIA request for all emails sent by xor on Aug 15 addressed to [email protected]. I presume Hager has NOT done this - well, the Collins/Slater equivalent - because if he had, we'd know about it. And there are allegedly (haven't read it) other things in the book that are just laughably implausible. |
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16th August 2014, 14:40 | #30 |
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An article by just another well known liberal-commie-pinko on Nicky Hagar's new book -
"The vilification of Hager by Key and Steven Joyce, National's election campaign supremo and the one designated to front for National when there is trouble, is a charade. Their dilemma is that they have to rubbish the book as being wrong on every score when they know much if not all of it, is accurate" The journalist? JOHN. ARMSTRONG. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11309684 |
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nice quote from simon lusk in the comments...
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16th August 2014, 22:15 | #32 |
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National's greatest advantage here is that Hager can't prove any of it. The excerpts I've seen so far read more like a blog than a work of journalism.
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17th August 2014, 15:08 | #33 |
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"Author Nicky Hager said his source won't let him release the documents behind his book which accuses National ministers and staff of feeding information to right wing bloggers."
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17th August 2014, 15:33 | #34 |
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Because that's not damaging to his credibility at all.
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17th August 2014, 19:04 | #36 |
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Nerdgate
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17th August 2014, 22:49 | #38 |
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Granted. Unfair to rant until I've read the full text.
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17th August 2014, 22:52 | #39 |
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17th August 2014, 23:35 | #40 |
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There's bunch of texts that Slater has received from Wayne Tempero which are allegedly from KDC.. funny stuff!
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