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Also, dictionaries define words. We're talking about a concept here, in which case you're better off with Wikipedia or the like.
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Is it really so difficult for you to restrain your ego just a little bit and not act like you have a crystal ball? Edit: Redneck: you're welcome. You're at least smarter than Gentle. Last edited by cyc : 14th June 2010 at 19:51. |
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14th June 2010, 20:00 | #167 |
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TTTT, got over being emo yet?
Honestly, I've got no big claims to make here. If I seriously believe that I had the kind of insight and predictive abilities that Gentle is so certain that he has, I'd go and either be a gambling man or latch myself on to a rich guy's portfolio and help him and myself get very, very rich. Alas, no one has a perfect crystal ball in this world. |
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Let me abos go loose They're of no further use, Bruce Just let me abos go loose ALL TOGETHER NOW! Tie me paradigm down, sport Tie me paradigm down Tie me paradigm down, sport Tie me paradigm down
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If I move to China, I might change my outlook on some stuff because of the influences inherent in living in China. But I'm not going to claim that I have a Chinese heritage. Just because a group heritage is not possessed by one individual, that does not mean that two distinct heritages from two different groups can not exist independently, even if they exist in the same location. Also, since when has an individual only been able to claim one heritage? And lastly; as Lead pointed out, the use of "heritage" in this was sucks donkey balls. Come up with a better word.
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cyc - you're a vicious little cunt. I'd hate to see you with an AK47 . I guess the good thing would be that you are so blinded with your prejudices you'd miss anything you aimed at
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Your arguments have gotten so ridiculously spurious lately that I think you MUST be trolling. Dare I say it? I HOPE you're trolling.
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However I am not saying that someone else's culture is your culture, I'm saying that your culture is influenced by the cultures around you (and vice versa). Middle-class whitey might not wear a lava-lava or even know what one is, but he's seeing media and advertising in NZ that represents and targets a wide range of cultures and values other than middle-class whitey, including Polynesian culture. And if you're a human being, then you will in some way absorb that culture and those values. If you don't believe me then how do you know what I mean what I say "At least our brownies won't eat your pet dog".
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15th June 2010, 06:20 | #177 |
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Anyone else sick of Lightspeed's Sphenic, Procian ramblings? We need some Edharians in this thread.
/apropos of nothing
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I thought Lightspeed's original comment about being influenced by the culture of the society in which you live* to be a reasonably fair comment, but not really much else that came after that. [*Unless you're a total bigoted prick, but even then wouldn't you need to have other cultures around you to become/realise that? ] I think leadinjector was right suggesting that he is confusing culture and heritage, particularly when talking about 'defining' or 'controlling' your heritage - you can choose what you acknowledge and what you ignore (like that black slave great-great grandmother) but you can't change it, and your heritage is not affected by your society, except in relation to the above and what you choose to acknowledge.
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I am not a racist but, I find it interesting that people can say globalisation is in effect when its mostly just people moving to 'the west' to get a better life or whatever. And even when they do this, they are generally recreating their home/culture/religion in their new country, segmenting themselves from the general population until they are the new population, at least in their area. In NZ this happens less but England is terrible in this regard.
Also, the number of people from the west moving to anywhere else is minimal and I wouldn't say it's globalisation if it's only one way. Do you really think you'd fit in in Japan, Iran, or Niger? Of course not, and why would you want to? Same goes for most westerners which is they they stick to the west. As for heritage, I don't accept that mine is Polynesian at all. I have nothing in common with Polynesia (and neither does NZ as an Island really, its just England on the other side of the Earth) as my ancestors come from Europe. That doesn't mean I don't live in a country that has accepted their culture though, which I think some of you are confusing here. |
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drl you confuse Anglosaxon (white caucasoid with penchant for conquest and hoarding wealth) culture with English (from England) culture.
The reality is that New Zealand is a major part of Oceania/Polynesia/Pacifika whatever you call it. You don't have to be brown to be Polynesian, kinda like you don't have to be white to be English. And this is the internet! THE cultural melting pot of the world. You'd fit in in those places better than you think, Japan and Iran especially.
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Your heritage is inherited not just from your parents ancestry but from the history of the place you are born - regardless if your culture reflects this or not.
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is this whole discussion debating semantics regarding personal heritage vs the countries heritage?
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What I am saying is that while I live in NZ, I don't really have anything at all in my life that is influenced by Polynesian culture. I may be surrounded (not so much though - I live in CHCH at the moment) by it, but it has little impact on my life at all. On the flipside, everything I am is basically derived from the fact I came from Europe and am one of those conquering hoarders. Quote:
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As a physical Island? No. NZ is the only country in Polynesia that is nothing like the others. Climate, landscape, flora and fauna are all totally different. As a place where the Maori travelled and lived a few hundred years ago? Yes and no. The problem here though is that the Maori way of life was either swallowed up, or shit on by westerners for a hundred years. It's only recently that it had a chance to claw its way back. What tangibly survives of the Maori way of life in NZ today? Their customs definitely have a place in society, but what about with me as a person? What about the general populace? For arguements sake, most people you ask on the street would say stuff like the Haka defines the Maori. But these days its been reduced to a gimmick at a sports event or when someone famous comes here. I'm not say that the Maori people haven't had a huge effect on NZ, but best parts of their culture generally survive in museums and once again, have nothing to do with me/my family. And the rest of polynesia. It has only been in the last 30 years that NZ has had an influx of Tongan/Samoan/etc culture and while it's had a big influence on NZ Culture today, it didn't exist here much before that. But are you really telling me this is where I get my heritage? My identity? Quote:
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If Fritz became a NZ citizen then then part and parcel with that is New Zealands historic heritage, which includes Polynesian aspects. He wouldn't define his personal heritage as Polynesian no, but his 'country' heritage now includes New Zealands, as he is a New Zealander.
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I always liked the quote that "A New Zealander is an Englishman the Maori have made a decent person out of."
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Hey lightspeed, which parts of your life are living "asian"? Because, you know, there's just as big an Asian population in NZ as there is Poly (excluding Maori: btw lumping Maori in with Poly is a cop out. One is the aboriginal people of this country, whom we've proactively tried to absorb into every day culture. Of course 'Maori culture' has an impact - but Samoan or Fijian or Tongan is not held in this regard, and do not have any where near the impact you're suggesting they do). And eating Chinese takeaway doesn't mean you're immersed in Malaysian heritage, it just means someones selling you some food. I still find it hard to believe you honestly think that having a group of people living in a country automatically imparts their history and culture as part of the host nations heritage. Actually, fuck, there were Chinese here waaaay before there were lots of Islanders (excluding Maori). So, we must be a pretty damn Chinese by now right?
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I think you're confusing "have an impact on my life" with "completely change the way I live."
We almost certainly have absorbed the culture and values of the Chinese people who were part of early NZ, proportional to the number of Chinese relative to the rest of the population and dependant on the survivability of those values.
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Culture&Values(Chinese) in NZ Culture ∝ Population(Chinese)*Culture&ValuesSurvivability(Chinese)
Fidgit is ascribing a low value to the final term, are you disputing this?
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