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Old 6th December 2022, 21:20     #1361
Ab
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New Roy morgan out today:

Party Vote
•Labour:)25.5% (-3.5% from October)
•National:)39.0% (+7.0%)
•Greens:)12.0% (-3.5%)
•ACT:)11.0% (-1.5%)
•Maori:)4.0% (+1.0%)
•NZ First:)3.5% (nc)
•TOP:)2.5% (-0.5%)
•New:)Conservatives:)0.5% (nc)

If an election were held tomorrow, on those numbers Labour would be destroyed, losing 31 seats. Better poll numbers than that had the Caucus knife Angry Andy and install Jacinda in panic.
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Old 10th December 2022, 20:43     #1362
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Looks like Labour has been shown the door quite brutally in Ham West.
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Old 13th December 2022, 12:23     #1363
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Two ministries failed to manage perceived conflicts over Nanaia Mahuta's husband's consulting

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While the Commission’s review into contracts awarded to Ka Awatea Services and Kawai Catalyst did not find any evidence of favouritism or bias towards the companies, it did criticise four government agencies for failing to follow or have good processes for managing and identifying perceived conflicts.
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Old 13th December 2022, 12:51     #1364
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Old 13th December 2022, 14:39     #1365
Ab
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If an election were held tomorrow, on those numbers Labour would be destroyed, losing 31 seats
aaaaaand here come the pre-emptive resignations
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Old 13th December 2022, 15:24     #1366
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Old 13th December 2022, 16:53     #1367
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"While the Commission’s review into contracts awarded to Ka Awatea Services and Kawai Catalyst did not find any evidence of favouritism or bias towards the companies, it did criticise four government agencies for failing to follow or have good processes for managing and identifying perceived conflicts."
From the hysterical vitriol around this it sure looks like a lot of this 'perceived conflict' comes from the parties involved being Maori. So nothing new.
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Old 13th December 2022, 17:52     #1368
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It's like this story:

100-year-old trees that are home to little owls face chop for new housing

There'd be cries about the end of democracy if co-governance was involved. But because it's a commercial development the framing is completely different.
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Old 13th December 2022, 18:02     #1369
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From the hysterical vitriol around this it sure looks like a lot of this 'perceived conflict' comes from the parties involved being Maori. So nothing new.
I wouldn't be surprised if the furore over Mahuta's conduct were being driven by Labour MPs desperate to have her fired, hoping that will save their jobs.
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Old 26th December 2022, 13:34     #1370
Ab
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Lawz iz haaaaaaaaaard

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...L3HSKOYDNH5FE/
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Old 19th January 2023, 12:45     #1371
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w00t, JA resigning.

Because of course she is, she said she wouldn't.
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Old 19th January 2023, 13:11     #1372
Ab
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She's had her pluses and minuses. My impression of her is that of a great figurehead when we needed a figurehead, and a bad Prime Minister when we needed a Prime Minister. She's been more smile and wave than John Key ever was.
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Old 19th January 2023, 14:56     #1373
fixed_truth
 
Obviously I wish her politics could have been more progressive. In saying that, politics aside we couldn't have had a better leader throughout the pandemic. I'm grateful that some of my family didn't have to roll the covid dice 2020. As a leader she was the envy of a lot of countries. Made people proud to be a New Zealander again.

Even in her leaving she brings the aroha. Instead of staying in there until burnout she's shown it's okay to put you and your family first when you've had enough. GG aunty

Edit: comment of the day - "Landlords and everyone's crazy uncle gonna be over the moon at this"
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Old 19th January 2023, 14:59     #1374
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w00t, JA resigning.

Because of course she is, she said she wouldn't.
Heaven forbid she changed her mind about staying in a role.

Its one of those stupid questions to ask
1 - are you going to stay at your job / are you going to leave.

99% of people will probably not be telling people they are going to leave a job until they are ready to leave a job.

2 - Are you pregnant. Again, they are either ready to tell you or they are not.

Basically if they are about to leave or a pregnant, they have to lie to you until they are ready
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Old 19th January 2023, 15:01     #1375
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comment of the day - "Landlords and everyone's crazy uncle gonna be over the moon at this"
Wait until they elect Nanaia Mahuta as leader. My god those on extremist/boomers are going to have a heart attack
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Old 20th January 2023, 06:00     #1376
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Wait until they elect Nanaia Mahuta as leader. My god those on extremist/boomers are going to have a heart attack
It would make a heap of sense. Chris and Kiri are too good to be served up the shitshow coming in October.

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Old 20th January 2023, 06:17     #1377
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She's had her pluses and minuses. My impression of her is that of a great figurehead when we needed a figurehead, and a bad Prime Minister when we needed a Prime Minister. She's been more smile and wave than John Key ever was.
Knitting was stuck to I guess - he was all Commerce, she was all Comms.

During the GFC and Earthquakes, we needed some strong fiscally based leadership. During White Island, the Mosque attack and Pandemic, we needed something more empathetic.

Interesting bit in the CNN article indicating that she was going to skip the Waitangi BBQ due to security concerns. Seems there may have been a clear and present danger, which may have convinced her (in light of the recent attacks on her office) that it wasn't worth it. There's a lot of vitriol out there.

I have no strong feelings either way - as far as I could see, we travelled through uncharted waters with the pandemic, and she did the sensible bit and listened to the scientists not the economists. There were heaps of wrong ways to do it - and I don't think we were in that camp. It hasn't been easy, will take time to recover from, and perhaps that will require a different skill set to pull off - and pretty sure not from Labour.

That's just how the sausage is made.
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Old 20th January 2023, 06:39     #1378
blynk
 
Article in stuff talks about the increase in threats against her made.
Going from a 20 in 2019 to 50 in 2021.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they were even higher in 2022.
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Old 21st January 2023, 00:33     #1379
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If Hipkins is chosen to replace Ardern, "Don't Vote Chris" is going to be a great slogan for the alt-vote.
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Old 21st January 2023, 08:46     #1380
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I was thinking it'd be unlimited references to "Everybody Hates Chris"
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Old 21st January 2023, 10:46     #1381
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Chippie’s in.
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Old 21st January 2023, 13:39     #1382
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I was thinking it'd be unlimited references to "Everybody Hates Chris"
That's a harder sell, Hipkins is quite endearing.
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Old 21st January 2023, 17:12     #1383
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Yes, the northland “sex workers” lockdown and the way he abandoned a kiwi journalist in Afghanistan and then leaked against her to the media are certainly endearmentifying.
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Old 21st January 2023, 17:25     #1384
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No one said he wasn't a politician.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 12:45     #1385
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Toby Manhire had a good observation on the Gone By Lunchtime podcast re: Jacinda's time as PM; he said something like "she's delivered almost nothing that she promised, and has had to do a lot of things that she never expected". Which is a fair call.

One of the things that bugs me is that her abrupt "I'm exhausted, this is too much" departure kinda kicks in the nuts the whole uplifting gender-equality narrative that it's possible for a (relatively) young mother to be a political leader. Jacinda Ardern herself just told the world that it's too hard. Even with all the support in the world, it was too much.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 13:38     #1386
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It's kind of labours modus operandi though isn't it - and especially so this administration and prime minister.

Same old story, swinging too far for ideals at the expense of pragmatism and realism. Treat the two the same at your own peril (or the countries)

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Old 23rd January 2023, 14:03     #1387
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I still think something spooked her (no pun intended. Well maybe) and the DPS are doing what DPS does.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 18:37     #1388
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One of the things that bugs me is that her abrupt "I'm exhausted, this is too much" departure kinda kicks in the nuts the whole uplifting gender-equality narrative that it's possible for a (relatively) young mother to be a political leader. Jacinda Ardern herself just told the world that it's too hard. Even with all the support in the world, it was too much.
Had the support of the world that wanted to support her. Those of the world that disapproved probably didn't care.

But those that disapproved in NZ have stepped up to another level of hatred which is probably the bit that took its toll. As well as covid, and whaakari and the shootings etc.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 18:38     #1389
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It's kind of labours modus operandi though isn't it - and especially so this administration and prime minister.

Same old story, swinging too far for ideals at the expense of pragmatism and realism. Treat the two the same at your own peril (or the countries)
I think that is the left in general across the world. They want to be aspirational and do good for the world, but its a lot harder than what the opposition wants to do of cut benefits for the poor and taxes for the rich.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 21:03     #1390
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I think that is the left in general across the world. They want to be aspirational and do good for the world, but its a lot harder than what the opposition wants to do of cut benefits for the poor and taxes for the rich.
I don't agree.
The left can be pragmatic whilst idealistic. It's a spectrum.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 21:26     #1391
Ab
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Oh yeah, and the free speech thing? she can fuck off.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 22:25     #1392
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One of the things that bugs me is that her abrupt "I'm exhausted, this is too much" departure kinda kicks in the nuts the whole uplifting gender-equality narrative that it's possible for a (relatively) young mother to be a political leader. Jacinda Ardern herself just told the world that it's too hard. Even with all the support in the world, it was too much.
Except for the fact that she has been a very successful political leader. Oh and for the fact that John Key did the same thing when he'd had enough.
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Old 23rd January 2023, 22:37     #1393
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Same old story, swinging too far for ideals at the expense of pragmatism and realism. Treat the two the same at your own peril (or the countries)
This type of spin is going around unchecked. A bit like the spin that there's not much difference between Labour & National, and that National are better at managing the economy.

Yes Labour failed on some big ticket projects that they campaigned on. But all the smaller policy they got through over the years does add up. Policy that we wouldn't have seen under National.

https://www.labour.org.nz/our-record
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Old 24th January 2023, 09:37     #1394
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One of the things that bugs me is that her abrupt "I'm exhausted, this is too much" departure kinda kicks in the nuts the whole uplifting gender-equality narrative that it's possible for a (relatively) young mother to be a political leader. Jacinda Ardern herself just told the world that it's too hard. Even with all the support in the world, it was too much.
I don't know how any politician can handle the abuse tbh. Especially someone who just had a baby.
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Old 24th January 2023, 10:10     #1395
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She’s had to deal with something no other leader has - people who’ve gone insane from loneliness and the internet. It sounds like her threats have been off the charts.
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Old 24th January 2023, 12:19     #1396
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I wonder if Hipkins is going to bind himself to promises the way Ardern did? Right now GCT is back on the table, at least in theory.

But I doubt it, I can't see the electorate putting up with any new taxes.
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Old 24th January 2023, 12:26     #1397
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Chris Trotter is a bit more cynical on Jacinda's motivation; to paraphrase, she has her eye on the next step in Helen Clark's career path formula (UN) and being the leader on whose watch "co-governance" hit the fan was going to impede her progress – either by making her massively unpopular with the electorate or by painting her as insufficiently committed to "decolonisation".

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