Milk pricing probe

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by crocos

Dairy Dale, huh?

Ah so you too have cottoned on to cheaper petrol station milk

Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

Very few people have to have milk. Many people choose to have milk and thus they choose to pay what is asked for it.

What about preschoolers? Kids are supposed to switch to cow's milk when they turn 1, and iirc they're meant to drink about 500mls per day? If you've got a couple of preschoolers then your famlily is going through a lot of milk on a weekly basis. And young families can probably least afford the cost of milk. It's somewhat of a catch 22 - Plunket tells you that your kid is supposed to drink so much milk per day, but milk is expensive. Does powdered milk actually have the same nutritional benefit as fresh milk?

[CCS]

I was raised on the dairy.

[Golden Teapot]

Well most people can use breasts to feed a kid.

[chiquelet]

Most people aren't still breast feeding a 12 month old, though.

[Golden Teapot]

There's two ways of looking at this though:

1. There's no particular reason a one year old can't be feeding from the breast, and;
2. Kids aren't cheap and the cost of raising them needs to be thought about before they're brought forth.

Perhaps we'll see a return of the community cow? They have a lot going for them: lawns clipped, fertaliser , meat for the freezer, and milk for the kiddies.

But milk in fact is not overly expensive.

[Cynos]

Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

Well most people can use breasts to feed a kid.

That starts getting creepy past 2. Four year olds screaming "Titty Mum!" while lifting their mother's shirts? Mentally scarring.

[cEvin]

Originally Posted by xor

I buy milk powder which works out to about $1 a litre. Can't say it's expensive eh.

/thread

[Golden Teapot]

Originally Posted by Cynos

That starts getting creepy past 2. Four year olds screaming "Titty Mum!" while lifting their mother's shirts? Mentally scarring.

That's just social conditioning. The tit is fine until say age 5 after which it's not really needed anymore.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

Well most people can use breasts to feed a kid.

you need to get some life skills
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15720339...-feeding-baby/ is quite the norm, amongst others that have appeared in nz media for breast feeding in various public places. not to mention the comments others have posted above, not all women can continue to breast feed.

but in other news (and taking the piss at your post ...) http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...lactate&sc=rss

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Does powdered milk actually have the same nutritional benefit as fresh milk?

http://anchor.co.nz/products/

anchor blue:
Energy (kJ) 260
Energy (cal) 62
Protein (g) 3.2
Fat - Total (g) 3.3
Fat - Saturated (g) 2.2
Carbohydrate - Total (g) 4.9
Carbohydrate - Sugars (g) 4.9
Sodium (mg) 43
Calcium (mg) 116

blue powder:
Energy (kJ) 262
Energy (cal) 63
Protein (g) 3.4
Fat - Total (g) 3.4
Fat - Saturated (g) 2.4
Carbohydrate - Total (g) 4.6
Carbohydrate - Sugars (g) 4.6
Sodium (mg) 42
Calcium (mg) 120

take from that what you like, but i'm sure as far as nutrition is concerned, they're on par. milk is only recommended because it's an easy source of calcium, and better than drinking fizzy drinks


also,

Originally Posted by MadMax

... and why on earth do some people pay almost double the cost for exactly the same milk with a different package?

does noone have an answer for that? i mean compare the price between non-boosted versions of anchor milk and the budget brand of milk.

[cEvin]

Originally Posted by MadMax

... and why on earth do some people pay almost double the cost for exactly the same milk with a different package?

just obvious things imo.
advertising, shelf placement, brand recognition, assumption that cheaper = lower quality, not understanding how to read a nutritional label.

people pay higher price for any product they recognise without thinking it through.

[Golden Teapot]

Originally Posted by MadMax

not all women can continue to breast feed.

The vast majority could - the situation today is that women don't want to. In bygone days wet-nurses were used for those who couldn't or wouldn't.

Many of those who physically can't made lifestyle choices that made this so.

Today we have people complaining about milk prices despite there being alternatives including mix-your-own at giveaway prices. This is too silly to believe really.

Hell band together with some others in the community and buy a cow - they start as low as $60 on TradeMe.

Although actually is anyone actually complaining or is this the usual media nonsense that will blow past when a real story comes along?

[MadMax]

^ all media is nonsense, but this has been something of an ongoing saga

also: http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/d...versus-branded
sux to be buying from a progressive supermarket which doesn't stock the Budget brand. what's more amusing is how foodies provide the budget + pams milk side by side

[Spink]

How does milk powder go in tea/coffee? Do you need to mix up the milk first as a big batch or can you just drop it in the hot water and be good to go?

[StN]

Ever used one of these?

[Spink]

I don't drink tea or coffee, more asking in order to convert someone who complains about the price of milk but only uses it for tea and coffee.

[Cynos]

Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

That's just social conditioning. The tit is fine until say age 5 after which it's not really needed anymore.

So, to summarise, your answr to the price of milk is to breastfeed until the age of 5?

...can you play the banjo while saying this? It lends an air of authenticity.

[xor]

He wasn't being literal you ignorant twat.

[ilk]

Originally Posted by CCS

Yeah I'd like an ilk ricing strobe.

Look I may drive a prelude but it's in shit condition and completely un-riced. Call off your hounds.

[^BITES^]

Originally Posted by Spink

I don't drink tea or coffee, more asking in order to convert someone who complains about the price of milk but only uses it for tea and coffee.

Not good on the taste front ... which is a biggie for me. Would almost prefer black.

[Golden Teapot]

Originally Posted by Cynos

So, to summarise, your answr to the price of milk is to breastfeed until the age of 5?

This is not a summary of my post though is it?

For my part I don't think there particulalry is an issue with the price of milk. Milk seems very reasonable compared to the price of other things. Perhaps prices are too high in aggregate or perhaps some incomes are getting left behind (if so then likely because those earning them did not adequately avail themselves of the free education available to them as kids).

[Golden Teapot]

I have a relative that uses powdered milk for guests. They're quite wealthy and don't drink milk themselves. So, it's milk powder or nothing. I've never seen anyone refuse so it can't be that bad (I don't know myself since I don't take milk in drinks).

[^BITES^]

Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

I have a relative that uses powdered milk for guests. They're quite wealthy and don't drink milk themselves. So, it's milk powder or nothing. I've never seen anyone refuse so it can't be that bad (I don't know myself since I don't take milk in drinks).

Horses for courses ... tastes like shit to me, but so do most non-anchor milks (one of the brands in the central north island tastes so bad its close to gag material but cant recall what brand ...)

[cEvin]

you realise most brands come from the same processing plant & batch though right?

[^BITES^]

Originally Posted by cEvin

you realise most brands come from the same processing plant & batch though right?

Yerp heard that a number of times, but still tastes different, budget versus Anchor have completely different after tastes, esp in my coffee .

[Ab]

Just like you can tell the difference between mp3 and FLAC, especially in your car?

[wugambino]

Originally Posted by ^BITES^

Yerp heard that a number of times, but still tastes different, budget versus Anchor have completely different after tastes, esp in my coffee .

I spent a few years working for a manufacturing company and using chips and bread as an example there was no difference between our normal run and that we did for signature range. It actually costs more to re-setup the production line to run a difference recipe.

[StN]

The exception to the rule being the freezing works killing chain for Macca's Angus burgers.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by cEvin

you realise most brands come from the same processing plant & batch though right?

The exception I guess would be the "yellow" varieties, since they seem to claim different additives/vitamins by brand? Can definitely tell the diference between anchor yellow and the "calci-smart" stuff from pak&save or new world, the blue stuff not so much.

Not even sure why I buy yellow in the first place though, habit I picked up from my parents probably.

[^BITES^]

Originally Posted by wugambino

I spent a few years working for a manufacturing company and using chips and bread as an example there was no difference between our normal run and that we did for signature range. It actually costs more to re-setup the production line to run a difference recipe.

Oh yeah absolutely agree, I was working towards food technology prior to finding it more fun to do chemistry and math as a hobby rather than a job ...

However assuming that ... wouldn't these be more inline nurtionally with each other?



Varying levels of sodium, sugar, fat etc would impact "flavour"? yes no maybe?

[edit]forgot to post sauce soz![/edit]
http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/d...versus-branded

[CCS]

Those seem like very minimal differences.

[^BITES^]

Originally Posted by CCS

Those seem like very minimal differences.

Sure ... but small changes in key flavour components (sugar, salt, fat) can have huge differences in flavour ...

At 2Litres the Sugar can be up to 4 grams difference from one product to another (4.7x20@100ml vs 4.9x20@100ml) ... thats equivalent to a whole teaspoon of sugar.

Just curious as to how that would come about assuming its "all from the same factory" after all?

[edit]FLAVOUR I'm not american![/edit]

[aR Que]

Originally Posted by MadMax

anchor blue:
Energy (kJ) 260
Energy (cal) 62
Protein (g) 3.2
Fat - Total (g) 3.3
Fat - Saturated (g) 2.2
Carbohydrate - Total (g) 4.9
Carbohydrate - Sugars (g) 4.9
Sodium (mg) 43
Calcium (mg) 116

blue powder:
Energy (kJ) 262
Energy (cal) 63
Protein (g) 3.4
Fat - Total (g) 3.4
Fat - Saturated (g) 2.4
Carbohydrate - Total (g) 4.6
Carbohydrate - Sugars (g) 4.6
Sodium (mg) 42
Calcium (mg) 120

No wonder Xor is one big mother fucker, LOOK AT ALL HIS EXTRA PROTEINS!!!

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by Spink

I don't drink tea or coffee, more asking in order to convert someone who complains about the price of milk but only uses it for tea and coffee.

Make a batch and refrigerate it. Use it with coffee/tea when needed.

The strength of the coffee/tea and the amount of sugar will change the flavour much more drastically than the type of milk.

[wazza]

Originally Posted by aR Que

No wonder Xor is one big mother fucker, LOOK AT ALL HIS EXTRA PROTEINS!!!

irl chuckle ;>

[xor]

Originally Posted by Cyberbob

Make a batch and refrigerate it. Use it with coffee/tea when needed.

The strength of the coffee/tea and the amount of sugar will change the flavour much more drastically than the type of milk.

Milk from milk powder tastes the same as milk from the bottle. Not really any difference. And you get huuuuuge muscles from drinking it, so be careful when lifting

[TnT]

Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

The tit is fine until say age 5 after which it's not really needed anymore.

Woah woah woah woah. You don't need tits after 5? I think GT just finally outed himself.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by CCS

Those seem like very minimal differences.

indeed. i'm willing to bet they've deliberately done the testing to show minor differences between them, ie do 10 random samples or whatever the requirement is until the averages are what they want.

anchor really is the same as house brand milk.

Originally Posted by StN

Ever used one of these?

yep (it uses creama), and try comparing taste of white coffee from that machine and black coffee with milk added later.

Originally Posted by Spink

How does milk powder go in tea/coffee? Do you need to mix up the milk first as a big batch or can you just drop it in the hot water and be good to go?

you can either do it as a batch, or mix it in the cup at the risk of having what tastes like chalk left at the bottom of your cup

[MadMax]

*crema

[cEvin]

Originally Posted by ^BITES^

Sure ... but small changes in key flavour components (sugar, salt, fat) can have huge differences in flavour ...

At 2Litres the Sugar can be up to 4 grams difference from one product to another (4.7x20@100ml vs 4.9x20@100ml) ... thats equivalent to a whole teaspoon of sugar.

Just curious as to how that would come about assuming its "all from the same factory" after all?

[edit]FLAVOUR I'm not american![/edit]

Last time I compared two light blue milk brands at the supermarket they were identical in macro nutrients, I know one was anchor, I couldn't tell you what the other was - but I might have a look tomorrow

As for your question, I'm going to assume it's variations in the testing. After all - if you have a product tested for nutrients it will never match what it says on the label, these are averages that vary week to week, farm to farm and cow to cow.

That difference you think you are tasting in your coffee (lol btw, you obviously have a killer palate) is called the flavour of marketing imo.

Saladin - yeh the yellows are usually brand specific with different vitamins/minerals added, I agree these types can vary a lot in texture and taste.