Labour leadership contest

[Jodi]

Originally Posted by CCS

I don't know that Labour are evil, but certainly nasty. And inept. The Greens on the other hand are definitely evil.

I'll bite. Why are the greens evil? I thought they were just crazy.

[Baxton]

You think labour/greens even mana are any worse than National? They are all the same, bodies of greedy, untrustworthy people who are actively seeking power and control over others.

You can only cherry pick the odd policy you agree with and hope the rest are not too caustic to your political man sack.

Honestly, I have always voted National but would struggle to rate labour worse than National based on the last few years based on the stuff I don’t agree with.

Considering voting Greens next election.

./ducks

[Pimp-X]

Greens. Policy-less dimbulbs. Otherwise known as the "We don't agree with that" party.

A vote for Russell is a vote for Australia.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Pimp-X

A vote for Russell is a vote for Australia.

I thought we were supposed to be aspiring to be Australia? That's what John Key sold us on last time!

[DrTiTus]

Originally Posted by Pimp-X

Otherwise known as the "We don't agree with that" party.

I believe the term for this is "opposition party".

[Pimp-X]

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

I believe the term for this is "opposition party".

That would be so if they said "We don't agree with this because of our policy of ....." - but they don't, because they don't have any policies.

[chubby]

Originally Posted by Pimp-X

That would be so if they said "We don't agree with this because of our policy of ....." - but they don't, because they don't have any policies.

actually,russell blabs on very knowledgeably on minute detail of their policy's.very accessible,very specific.
your bloggers just dont link to that-makes it easier to be like you.

[Ab]

Yeah, like printing more money to help the economy, that was awesome.

[chubby]

yeah.
and taking more and more from the worker to be stockpiled by the undeserving is going great.

[xor]

The Greens still think the FTA between NZ and China is a bad thing too...

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Ab

Yeah, like printing more money to help the economy, that was awesome.

You mean saying it. Economies print money to help themselves out all the time. You just don't say it, because it sounds more simplistic than it really is, and then you sound simplistic.

[Pimp-X]

Simplistic. There's a ton of that going on.

[adonis]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

You mean saying it. Economies print money to help themselves out all the time. You just don't say it, because it sounds more simplistic than it really is, and then you sound simplistic.

Pretty much. All money is printed out of thin air, it happens all the time, and sometimes it does help the economy.

As for the Greens not having any policy.. lol? Green party policy documentation is more detailed than either of the major parties.

[spigalau]

That would be the Green party documentation written on hemp paper with charcoal ?

"A Vote for the Greens is a vote for the return of Caveman"

[Pimp-X]

Documented. Worth the storage space? Highly different.

[CCS]

Originally Posted by Jodi

I'll bite. Why are the greens evil? I thought they were just crazy.

I think that standing in the way of progress, of science, of energy, and good economics is pretty evil.

[Ab]

Greens MP Kevin Hague: "Sure there are still some members who are opposed to immunisation. We’re a diverse party!"

Diversity. It's always awesome.

[ilk]

Originally Posted by xor

^^Doesn't understand the culture of South A.K.

Do I have to? Idiots are idiots. These idiots suck.

[xor]

Originally Posted by ilk

Do I have to? Idiots are idiots. These idiots suck.

meh, they think they're right. I wouldn't get butthurt and all embarrassed about it.


nahmean?

[ilk]

Idiots think they are right? Shocking, thanks for the insight. Are you defending their right to hold worthless opinions? Not trying to take that away, merely opining myself.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by chubby

yeah.
and taking more and more from the worker to be stockpiled by the undeserving is going great.

I guess you're talking about GST?

[chubby]

im talking about pretty much the entire tax system-
who it takes it from,on what basis,who it is evaded by,relative efforts put into detection of evation....as they say,'the list goes on'.

[ZoSo]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ch-out-of-time

OPINION: Well that didn't take long. Labour's American-style primary contest is only days old, but already it is apparent that in terms of policy none of the three contenders for the leadership has any more to offer than the departing David Shearer.

[Ab]

Free money for everyone!

[pxpx]

chubby are you a legit communist? Seriously? I'd like to know what your ideal government/tax/economic model is.

[ZoSo]

Gotta love Jonesy lobbing grenades into this sideshow. Drilling and mining jobs? What is this crazy talk.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Shane-Jones-s...9/Default.aspx

[CCS]

I think that, of the 3 candidates, the most likely to give Labour the transformation it needs is Jones. The other two are just business as usual and aren't likely to win back any of the swing voters.

Not saying I'd necessarily vote for a Jones led Labour based purely on what I've seen so far, just saying that Jones is likely to be the best out of the three.

[pxpx]

Originally Posted by pxpx

Anyways, I'm pretty sure I could handle a Labour+NZ First or Labour+Maori coalition in power, with Cunliffe in charge.

After seeing a bit more of Cunliffe in action, I retract this statement. I couldn't possibly endure the onslaught of smarm.

[CCS]

That, and he's a lying cunt.

[BoyWonder]

"I had to move to a much nicer address because breast feeding".

Seems legit.

[CCS]

Farrar has a fun table of what the 3 stooges have been promising..

Jones and Cunliffe: Pacifica TV channel
What in the fuck? Blatant vote buying. Promising to piss away taxpayer money on a minority group TV channel.

Jones: Regulate food prices
Fuck. Off.

Cunliffe: Taxi drivers to earn more
wat

Cunliffe and Robertson: 50% female quota for caucus, Not block the “man ban” if party wants it
lul. A vote for Cunliffe or Robertson is a vote for furthering the silly Labour internal squabbling.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by chubby

im talking about pretty much the entire tax system-
who it takes it from,on what basis,who it is evaded by,relative efforts put into detection of evation....as they say,'the list goes on'.

I really have NFI on what you wrote. An increase in GST (NZ style - ie the single rate on all goods and services) hits the poor the most. With the exception of the GST rate rise, the last tax adjustment in 2010 gave most people except certain types of homeowners a tax break.

But I think my typing is going to go waste

[fidgit]

I honestly don't know why anyone is even considering giving these promises any merit. They're worse than General Election promises - they have a built in opt-out clause when/if any of these 3 gets in. They can just claim National left things too fucked up to do what they'd planned, and we'll get to it next time round. Keep that up for a couple of elections and no one will remember your promises.

I'd rate these promises as lower likelihood of coming to fruition than local council mayoral promises - I'm still waiting for my gd ice skating rink Kerry.

(Oh also, I recall John was going to build us a National Cycleway, as a way to make jobs. Did that ever happen?)

[plaz0r]

Originally Posted by fidgit

(Oh also, I recall John was going to build us a National Cycleway, as a way to make jobs. Did that ever happen?)

I had assumed nothing much had actually come of it too, but then stumbled across the website one day ... last I checked a lot of the rides were still under construction, but at least partly ridable.

[Golden Teapot]

I've a $100 on iPredict for cuntliffe to win; I have faith in the labour grass roots / unions to pick the absolutely biggest twat they have for the job.

[chubby]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

With the exception of the GST rate rise, the last tax adjustment in 2010 gave most people except certain types of homeowners a tax break.

But I think my typing is going to go waste

if you blithely accept the 'fiscally neutral' justification here,you miss the point with individuals voting.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by chubby

if you blithely accept the 'fiscally neutral' justification here,you miss the point with individuals voting.

So what did everyone else have wrong? You'll need to come up with some solid numbers for this one, btw.

[fixed_truth]

[Ab]

Cunliffe wins with the backing of 11 out of 34 members of the Labour caucus, pass me the popcorn

[Golden Teapot]

A "leader" with no followers; there will be a blood bath. At least my iPredict investment has paid off...