Labour leadership contest - Page 3

chubby · 22nd December 2011, 22:34

i dont think the NACT website provides a template for a pat answer.
dont worry though,some (thinking) commentator may come up with something applicable for them to parrot.
at the moment, obtuse references will have to suffice.

YAY THE RATIONAL RIGHT!!!!!!

pxpx · 23rd December 2011, 10:12

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Originally Posted by adonis

Are you going to answer the question?

He did.

fixed_truth · 23rd December 2011, 12:29

He did?

adonis · 23rd December 2011, 12:57

I understood the reply. It did not answer the question, it avoided it.

cyc · 23rd December 2011, 13:23

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Originally Posted by adonis

Are you going to answer the question?

Well, for a start you have zero idea about my politics, fucktard. I do not support social conservatism of any sort,so don't call me a tory. As for whether I think unions and organisers have their place, the answer is (perhaps unsurprisingly) "yes". I do believe that useful unions that actually advances their members' interests in a fair, consistent, and public-regarding fashion have their place. An excellent example of such a union is the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists -- these guys have generally made moderate pay claims, raised legitimate issues relating to staff shortage, hospital management-related issues and the like. Another example is the union that represents university lecturers, which has often made valuable contribution on the shortcomings of our current funding arrangements for universities.

An example of a useless (or worse) union, in my books anyway, is the Police Association. Its head moron, Greg O'Connor, makes a point of routinely coming out immediately after controversial car chase-related deaths or shootings and "clearing" the officers involved by claiming that based on his "understanding" (or other words to that effect) what the officers did were justified. Most statements made by him are concerned with mindless/thoughtless expansion of police powers and freedom of action, including pushing for the BS law prohibiting police officers involved in shootings being publically identified. No other class of persons involved in any shooting-related incidents enjoy such a blanket privilege. Another example of a useless union in my books is the PSA, which taught some of its members at the Ministry of Justice to deliberately disrupt court proceedings down at Christchurch by banging on windows and the like in protesting for more pay. HEY GUYS LET'S PROMOTE THE RULE OF LAW!

In short, I judge the merits or lack thereof of any union and its organisers based on the merit of their claims, the standard of their/their members' behaviour, and their general contribution (or lack of) to society.

Ab · 23rd December 2011, 13:42

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Originally Posted by adonis

I understood the reply. It did not answer the question, it avoided it.

When someone says "have you stopped beating your wife", you don't answer. Especially when one can assume, through the questioner's use of a word with a specific meaning while evidently not knowing that meaning, that he wouldn't understand a serious answer anyway.

cyc · 23rd December 2011, 13:46

I love how the useless lefties and the internet warriors for civility like Doppleganger of a Dumbshit don't ever have a problem with people mindlessly dishing out insults like "tories" at people.

crocos · 23rd December 2011, 13:51

Rule of thumb: If union involvement makes the news, there's something fucked in that union.

Yeah there's a chance that it's the employer just being a fucktard, but lately that has been few and far between when compared to the unions fucking things up/over.

adonis · 23rd December 2011, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Ab

When someone says "have you stopped beating your wife", you don't answer. Especially when one can assume, through the questioner's use of a word with a specific meaning while evidently not knowing that meaning, that he wouldn't understand a serious answer anyway.

Tory slur aside (and perhaps it was over the top. In fact, my god, I practically channeled GT with his "evil communist" routine), the question was a fair one considering how much you've bagged Labour for having union people in it/being organised like a union etc etc.

Nothing · 23rd December 2011, 15:29

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Originally Posted by adonis

Nothing went right.

Screw you, I did not go right, I went left. Seems to me that everything else went right.

Ab · 23rd December 2011, 17:28

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Originally Posted by adonis

the question was a fair one considering how much you've bagged Labour for having union people in it/being organised like a union etc etc.

I like the way how you say "having union people in it/being organised like a union" as if those were kinda sorta the same thing.

CCS · 22nd August 2013, 14:36

Shearer GAWN.

pxpx · 22nd August 2013, 14:54

I thought something smelled a bit fishy recently.

ZoSo · 22nd August 2013, 15:16

https://twitter.com/bryce_edwards/st...66959990222848

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The new Labour leadership will be Cunliffe (leader) and Robertson (deputy) - I understand it's predetermined.

Game on, if true.

BoyWonder · 22nd August 2013, 15:19

I wonder if he'll even bother carrying on in Mt Albert - if I were him I'd go back to humanitarian work and receive some praise for a change.

Pimp-X · 22nd August 2013, 15:32

And the saga of the rudderless ship continues...

fixed_truth · 22nd August 2013, 15:47

Wow. Good on him for doing the right thing.

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The ambitions of one person should never be larger than that greater purpose. It is time for someone else to take up the challenge of leader.

I came into politics to make a difference. I believe I have done that. And I will continue to do so as a loyal member of the Labour team and the MP for Mt Albert.

Stepping down like a boss.

CCS · 22nd August 2013, 15:48

Passing that poison chalice on to someone else! What a guy!

Pimp-X · 22nd August 2013, 16:20

sux2b a labur suporter, lel.

pxpx · 22nd August 2013, 16:25

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Wow. Good on him for doing the right thing.

Stepping down like a boss.

Stepping down because everyone you lead thinks you're useless is what qualifies as "like a boss"??

fixed_truth · 22nd August 2013, 16:30

I'd would've thought it would be a little less sucky now that they've got rid of someone who wasn't right for the job rather then letting him drag on stagnantly like Goff.

@pxpx - No, putting his party before his own ego is boss.

Lightspeed · 22nd August 2013, 16:43

I guess the answer to Tapu Misa's question is: this long.

IoriDyson · 22nd August 2013, 16:46

It's weird, on paper he should have been a strong candidate yet well, here we are...

CCS · 22nd August 2013, 16:50

kokain · 22nd August 2013, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoSo

https://twitter.com/bryce_edwards/st...66959990222848

Game on, if true.

Hope so!

Ab · 22nd August 2013, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoSo

https://twitter.com/bryce_edwards/st...66959990222848

Quote:

The new Labour leadership will be Cunliffe (leader) and Robertson (deputy) - I understand it's predetermined.

Game on, if true.

Yay, a Clark cabinet minister backed up by a Clark staffer, it's the nineties all over again.

fixed_truth · 22nd August 2013, 19:38

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Originally Posted by kokain

Hope so!

Ha! If Cunliffe made leader I'd consider voting for them.

ZoSo · 23rd August 2013, 10:01

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Originally Posted by Ab

Yay, a Clark cabinet minister backed up by a Clark staffer, it's the nineties all over again.

Apparently it's not going to be a stitch up now. They're going to contest. Probably end up the same though.

Baxton · 23rd August 2013, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Ab

Yay, a Clark cabinet minister backed up by a Clark staffer, it's the nineties all over again.

hey...HEY...you guy, you wanted Shearer. You were all like "omg...posies and rainbows out his ass"......now....look at it....LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID

but seriously...could it be worse in NZ politically atm? Any party running unopposed is scary....being able to make any fuckup you like and just smirk it off.

Ab · 23rd August 2013, 11:05

I had high hopes for Shearer. I thought he might have been a new face with a powerful backstory who could lift Labour out of the unions/gays/squabbling-and-backstabbing mess that they've become.

But as I said back when he was pushed forward as Leader:

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I fear that Shearer has nobbled himself by NOT saying "I'm a fresh face here to get rid of the old troughers from the Clark era" and instead has gone to those troughers for support. When the new guy comes out and says "I have the support of Phil Goff, Annette King, and Trevor Mallard" that doesn't fill me with feelings of rejuvenation.

Turns out he was just a puppet for the same old troughers after all. And he has proven so weak and ineffectual I'm actually beginning to wonder if his "I stared down the Somali warlords" backstory hasn't been a bit, you know, INVENTED.

Still, gotta give the guy credit. 20 months in the toughest position in politics.

Standing with your back to Grant Robertson when he wants what you have, I mean.

leadinjector · 23rd August 2013, 11:09

i wonder how many more leaders they can carve their way through before elections? its gotta be at least 2 imo. cunliffe will get the job, get stabbed in the back before the election by someone else who will then go on to spectacularly lose and get dumped for whatever poor fuck is standing next in line.

maybe the labour front bench is just bored cos they have nothing to do, but i feel they should spend less time trying to step on each other and more time trying to come up with some credible policies. but what do i know.

xor · 23rd August 2013, 12:59

Labour needs to send the old guard off to the Gulag or some shit. Doesn't look good for their future.

Ab · 23rd August 2013, 13:03

#manban hits.

Shearer yanks the policy in face of public criticism.

Uncle Helen flies in from New York.

Shearer decides to "spend more time with his family".

Conclusion (1): Clark's still pulling the strings.
Conclusion (2): whoever the next leader is, that person will be there because Clark decided so.

fixed_truth · 23rd August 2013, 16:35

^

Pretty much everyone from all of the parties think that Shearer is a really nice decent guy. I hope Labour can find someone more suited to the job

crocos · 23rd August 2013, 20:25

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Pretty much everyone from all of the parties think that Shearer is a really nice decent guy.

And that right there is why he failed so hard when contrasted against Teflon John.

fidgit · 24th August 2013, 00:50

I think Shearer would have been a great Prime Minister. He's got a great head on him and would have stared the country in the best direction making sensible policy decisions, and New Zealand would have been a better country for it.

Unfortunately, a great Prime Minister is the opposite of a great Opposition Leader. He just didn't have the fight in him to go toe-to-toe with someone that's spent his adult life being a pit bull in high powered board rooms.

David Cunliffe is, by most accounts, a son of a bitch. Which is exactly why he'll probably end up in charge - the man has more mongrel in him than any else that's gone up against Key, which will actually give him a fighting chance.

Of course it's still labour so he'll cock it up and John will walk away with another landslide election...

Ab · 26th August 2013, 13:24

So far the only candidates to have put their hands up are Robertson and Jones. Robertson is almost singularly unelectable and Jones isn't a serious candidate so I presume everyone's waiting to see what Cunliffe does.

fidgit · 26th August 2013, 14:07

Press conference from Cunliffe at 2:30, he'll announce he's in then.

ZoSo · 26th August 2013, 14:12

A Union stitch up of Robertson, would be pretty funny.

pxpx · 26th August 2013, 14:29

Labour peeps, do you think Cunliffe can actually lead a successful election campaign? Don't give me the optimistic rose-tinted glasses version, be honest.

What's his relationship with Norman like?

22nd August 2013, 14:36	#92
CCS Stunt Pants	Shearer GAWN. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd August 2013, 15:32	#96
Pimp-X Drunken Annoying Superhero Bastard	And the saga of the rudderless ship continues... __________________ If there is one movement I could get behind in this world, it would be the discrimination and abuse of fucking idiots.

22nd August 2013, 15:48	#98
CCS Stunt Pants	Passing that poison chalice on to someone else! What a guy! __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd August 2013, 16:20	#99
Pimp-X Drunken Annoying Superhero Bastard	sux2b a labur suporter, lel. __________________ If there is one movement I could get behind in this world, it would be the discrimination and abuse of fucking idiots.

22nd August 2013, 16:50	#104
CCS Stunt Pants	__________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd December 2011, 22:34	#81
chubby	i dont think the NACT website provides a template for a pat answer. dont worry though,some (thinking) commentator may come up with something applicable for them to parrot. at the moment, obtuse references will have to suffice. YAY THE RATIONAL RIGHT!!!!!! __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

23rd December 2011, 12:29	#83
fixed_truth	He did? __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

23rd December 2011, 12:57	#84
adonis	I understood the reply. It did not answer the question, it avoided it.

23rd December 2011, 13:46	#87
cyc Objection!	I love how the useless lefties and the internet warriors for civility like Doppleganger of a Dumbshit don't ever have a problem with people mindlessly dishing out insults like "tories" at people.

23rd December 2011, 13:51	#88
crocos	Rule of thumb: If union involvement makes the news, there's something fucked in that union. Yeah there's a chance that it's the employer just being a fucktard, but lately that has been few and far between when compared to the unions fucking things up/over. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

22nd August 2013, 14:54	#93
pxpx	I thought something smelled a bit fishy recently.

22nd August 2013, 15:19	#95
BoyWonder	I wonder if he'll even bother carrying on in Mt Albert - if I were him I'd go back to humanitarian work and receive some praise for a change.

22nd August 2013, 16:30	#101
fixed_truth	I'd would've thought it would be a little less sucky now that they've got rid of someone who wasn't right for the job rather then letting him drag on stagnantly like Goff. @pxpx - No, putting his party before his own ego is boss. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. Last edited by fixed_truth : 22nd August 2013 at 16:32.

22nd August 2013, 16:43	#102
Lightspeed	I guess the answer to Tapu Misa's question is: this long. __________________ Stay shook. No sook. Last edited by Lightspeed : 22nd August 2013 at 16:44.

22nd August 2013, 16:46	#103
IoriDyson	It's weird, on paper he should have been a strong candidate yet well, here we are... __________________

23rd August 2013, 11:09	#111
leadinjector	i wonder how many more leaders they can carve their way through before elections? its gotta be at least 2 imo. cunliffe will get the job, get stabbed in the back before the election by someone else who will then go on to spectacularly lose and get dumped for whatever poor fuck is standing next in line. maybe the labour front bench is just bored cos they have nothing to do, but i feel they should spend less time trying to step on each other and more time trying to come up with some credible policies. but what do i know.

23rd August 2013, 12:59	#112
xor	Labour needs to send the old guard off to the Gulag or some shit. Doesn't look good for their future.

23rd August 2013, 13:03	#113
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	#manban hits. Shearer yanks the policy in face of public criticism. Uncle Helen flies in from New York. Shearer decides to "spend more time with his family". Conclusion (1): Clark's still pulling the strings. Conclusion (2): whoever the next leader is, that person will be there because Clark decided so.

23rd August 2013, 16:35	#114
fixed_truth	^ Pretty much everyone from all of the parties think that Shearer is a really nice decent guy. I hope Labour can find someone more suited to the job __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

24th August 2013, 00:50	#116
fidgit Always itchy	I think Shearer would have been a great Prime Minister. He's got a great head on him and would have stared the country in the best direction making sensible policy decisions, and New Zealand would have been a better country for it. Unfortunately, a great Prime Minister is the opposite of a great Opposition Leader. He just didn't have the fight in him to go toe-to-toe with someone that's spent his adult life being a pit bull in high powered board rooms. David Cunliffe is, by most accounts, a son of a bitch. Which is exactly why he'll probably end up in charge - the man has more mongrel in him than any else that's gone up against Key, which will actually give him a fighting chance. Of course it's still labour so he'll cock it up and John will walk away with another landslide election... __________________ 4 7 2 3 9 8 5...1 4 2 9 7 8...14 16 22...36°

26th August 2013, 13:24	#117
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	So far the only candidates to have put their hands up are Robertson and Jones. Robertson is almost singularly unelectable and Jones isn't a serious candidate so I presume everyone's waiting to see what Cunliffe does.

26th August 2013, 14:07	#118
fidgit Always itchy	Press conference from Cunliffe at 2:30, he'll announce he's in then. __________________ 4 7 2 3 9 8 5...1 4 2 9 7 8...14 16 22...36°

26th August 2013, 14:12	#119
ZoSo	A Union stitch up of Robertson, would be pretty funny.

26th August 2013, 14:29	#120
pxpx	Labour peeps, do you think Cunliffe can actually lead a successful election campaign? Don't give me the optimistic rose-tinted glasses version, be honest. What's his relationship with Norman like?