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Winston First getting this many members in just means there's less intelligent & sane people in charge of our country, and that's never a good thing.
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28th November 2011, 08:01 | #43 |
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id be interested to see how many, if any, solid national supporters voted otherwise this time round.
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28th November 2011, 09:18 | #44 | |
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28th November 2011, 11:05 | #45 | |
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28th November 2011, 11:48 | #46 |
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There really must be a massive brain drain in NZ because only the stupid and senile would vote in NZF!
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28th November 2011, 16:03 | #50 |
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I hope his party does better next election, I think it would be a good thing for the right's vote to be split between a few more parties.
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28th November 2011, 16:06 | #51 |
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why? is that somehow doing the left a world of good that nobody knows about?
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28th November 2011, 16:15 | #52 |
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I think it's for the benefit of all voters through genuine representation in parliament. I suspect there are some quite diverse views amongst the ~48% of people who voted for National.
Having the Greens on the left has meant that left voters dissatisfied with Labour had another potential left option rather than not voting or voting right. I can't imagine National is going to be a shining testament to politics forever, having other right options when National's performance starts slipping can only be a good thing. I mean, it would provide an alternative to Winston, right?
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29th November 2011, 05:41 | #53 | |
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29th November 2011, 07:23 | #54 | |
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I think NZ simply doesnt have enough right wingers to maintain many actual right wing parties. its quite different to say america with its rednecks or england with its tory inbreds. at the moment labour is stretching itself too think and trying to appeal to everyone, which means its being cannibalised by the other leftist parties like the greens. why would a labour party, designed for the working class, be against mining? they need to leave that aspect to the greens and worry about making jobs and worker rights. that way, they arent losing voters turned off by the policy on mining, while those people who are against it are probably gonna vote green anyway. /this 2c of political commentary was brought to you by a double shot flat white and a spoonful of not really knowing what the fuck im talking about/ |
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29th November 2011, 10:36 | #56 |
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Lead, NAT and Labour have swapped places several times if you rely on the right vs left definitions. Parties change, direction changes, parties shape policy to garner votes, and the main thing to remember is:
it's not the policy but it's implementation that counts. Take for example the benefit card idea, on the surface it sounds good, and appeals to working folk as the unemployed will be limited in wasting (tax payers) money on alcohol and drugs and the illusion is they will be forced to feed their kids, a double win. But the implementation is that rent would be taken out first, ensuring landlords get payed. The government acts as rent collector, this from a party with another policy to move investment from property to the sharemaket. Left wing policies can produce Right wing results and vice versa. Political parties don't need to be corrupt just short sighted. I hope I'm wrong , but my feeling is we will see AB and rest of the NAT fanboys once again expressing confusion and betrayal as promises and policies fail to net the stated result. Lets see if National pay down debt or spend asset sales revenue on running costs, oh what did Key say yesterday? "Key has pledged to use the money for capital projects including schools and irrigation. The so-called mixed ownership model will make the companies more efficient and will provide a boost to the stock market, he said before the election. " another point "Who likes good news, well good news everybody" people like a positive message, national delivered such a message, if they had said we will continue to borrow and spend more than we earn, sell half the farm and spend the profit on some new furniture for the house, in the hope times will get better, well they probably would still have won, strangely disillusion in the government also results in lower voter turnout. |
29th November 2011, 10:44 | #57 |
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I recommend some Miles Davies while reading the post above.
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29th November 2011, 11:06 | #58 |
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29th November 2011, 16:38 | #59 |
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29th November 2011, 16:57 | #60 | |
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30th November 2011, 01:30 | #61 |
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"Payments for power and rent will be made on behalf of beneficiaries by the Government and money for basic living costs will be loaded onto a special card, stopping the purchase of alcohol or cigarettes with benefit money"
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Youth-benefit...#ixzz1f5N9sMJU of course I agree with what you are saying, hence the "appeals to" but the implementation is different to what you are saying isn't it. Government pays the rent, which effectively bolsters the property investment industry, which is at odds to their stated policy of trying to shift investment away from property investment towards the sharemarket. So they are saying what everybody wants to hear, but what are the results of their policies? garrantied rental income for lower end housing, entry level houses. Also their policy of selling housing NZ stock and leasing houses at garrantied returns helps to stabalise and hold entry level housing prices. If you can't sell your entry level house, just lease it to HNZ and use the agreeement to secure a mortgage for your second house. Entry level housing prices remain out of reach to the lower sections of the workforce garrantiing a supply of renters... don't get me wrong I'm not complaining, all of the above helps my portfolio, and can be seen as good policy, but it's not what they are saying to their lower income followers. Many here have expressed their anger at Labour for hand outs to the undeserving while hard working people struggle and support national because they have face value polices that look to address this. Instead National are still pushing trickle down ecomonics. Support the business owners and if the business owner does well then the workers will also benefit. So how many years of National before voters switch sides again. The one thing I am against is asset sales, and I think those lauding them are a bit emotive hinting at blind faith, and I suspect how things playout over the next 3 years will result in a lot of Nat supporters feeling betrayed, that is my prediction, I would like to hear your predictions, cheers. |
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30th November 2011, 08:36 | #63 |
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I'm confused. Does GRiM ReeFer think it is better to leave it to chance whether landlords get paid rent from their tenants? Does he think it is better for tenants to be either evicted or given bail-out cash from the taxpayer?
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30th November 2011, 08:52 | #64 |
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i actually cant tell. i think theres too much reefer not enough grim in that post. stay in school and dont do drugs kids.
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30th November 2011, 09:15 | #65 |
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NZ is a socialist country. This is why our right-wing party has to position itself to the quite far left to succeed.
There are a lot of people in NZ who: hate to see others succeed, demand they have a standard of living beyond their own means, and who have no moral issue with stealing money from successful people to make up for their own inadequacies. These people congregate under the labour and green umbrellas and crowd out the others sheltering there. And, when a used the term "a lot" I mean that this is the basic aspiration of perhaps 60% of the population to be like this, and with such a low hurdle so many do succeed in achieving membership of this sad club. Moari and Mana voters are very different. They're good wholesome people and very like National voters save for having enjoyed a different pathway through life with which comes a different political bias. In actual fact though the differences in political position can be quite small as is seen with the priori positions on welfare of National and Maori. labour is regrettably the natural government for NZ given the massive number of deadbeats that have been bred here and who aspire to be spoon fed by those capable of holding a spoon. Another three or four decades of appropriate immigration will fix this but for now it's nigh on inevitable that the n+2 government will be a labour one. For now the rats have jumped ship to save themselves but as soon as the hole is plugged they'll all be back on board with their aim of destroying the successful of this country. Last edited by Golden Teapot : 30th November 2011 at 09:18. |
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How about you step up and and stop being a heckler for a while, I'd be interested to hear what you actually think, go on what are your ideas on asset sales, oil exploration and the seabed/foreshore ownership changes that Nact are making? Me I voted Labour, MMP but STV if changed. Can you man-up or will you continue to snipe from the shadows with your usual noise. |
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30th November 2011, 09:26 | #67 |
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Why don't you answer my question?
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30th November 2011, 09:40 | #68 | |
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30th November 2011, 11:00 | #72 |
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haha GT, wow
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yeah its odd that you would pick the one thing he said thats actually correct to prove him incorrect >.>
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30th November 2011, 12:09 | #76 | |
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Huh, I just quoted the first sentence of the whole post to save space, let me re-post for clarity...
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