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30th November 2021, 16:04 | #2161 | |
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30th November 2021, 22:01 | #2162 |
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Well it will be interesting if it pans out to what they are hoping.
A less severe version of covid that will push out Delta |
30th November 2021, 22:43 | #2163 |
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This is not the endgame I was expecting
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1st December 2021, 13:03 | #2164 |
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1st December 2021, 16:40 | #2165 |
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Now I want tacos.
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2nd December 2021, 08:01 | #2166 |
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2nd December 2021, 09:42 | #2167 |
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let's check in with team sensible:
https://twitter.com/berniespofforth/...263366150?s=21 Increase in SIDS in 3...2...1...
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2nd December 2021, 10:38 | #2168 | |
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Has the fear and lockdowns created a net better health outcome for UK? Let's say in 2025 only 10% of people with undiagnosed cancer die (I'm being generous), on balance can public health authorities really claim their policies have saved 1.2 million (82 year olds) who would have died from COVID? Even if they can claim that, they will be remembered only as sacrificing the young to save the old.
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2nd December 2021, 17:51 | #2169 |
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Bangledesh just recorded first day of pandemic with zero COVID deaths. Japan cases and deaths dropping since August. annnd most of Africa has had bugger all COVID cases & deaths.
What do these countries have in common?
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2nd December 2021, 17:56 | #2170 |
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As soon as I hear the word "fear" I hear someone promoting an agenda.
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2nd December 2021, 19:26 | #2171 |
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Why did a good chunk of the population neglect to keep up with their check ups, if not fear of clinics and hospitals?
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2nd December 2021, 19:30 | #2172 | |
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2nd December 2021, 19:44 | #2173 | |
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We could have of course just treated the pandemic like a Tuesday, blamed our clogged up health services and morgues on immigrants or whatever the bogeyman du jour was.
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2nd December 2021, 22:22 | #2174 |
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In the UK the messaging was "Stay home, protect the NHS", so yes some would have thought others needed the help more than they did, and they were indeed encouraged to do so. The implication being that them seeking medical check ups might over burden the health services.
The messaging was very strong and effective, but it's been almost 2 years now and I think they are yet to say "OK, hospitals can handle it now!". Even with the mild new variant the over-burdened health services meme was refreshed anew.
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2nd December 2021, 23:08 | #2175 |
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Well, I think that's just the Tories.
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3rd December 2021, 18:24 | #2176 |
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here come the 2nd order consequences...
Up to 300,000 people facing heart-related illnesses due to post-pandemic stress disorder, warn physicians https://uk.news.yahoo.com/300-000-pe...uumEAVVBQKn3iO oh, and this... https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads...experience.pdf
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3rd December 2021, 18:39 | #2177 |
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According to the opinion of two London physicians, eh?
Aren't you concerned about the fear these physicians are drumming up?
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3rd December 2021, 20:31 | #2178 | |
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4th December 2021, 11:18 | #2179 |
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Great to see the vaccination passport in place. When covid starts getting loose around the country a bit more it will be great if the criteria is broadened to include more businesses, something like only business open to the public during level 4 will be exempt.
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4th December 2021, 18:47 | #2180 | |
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Fixed Truth, Germany has gone full Science to defeat COVID. Mandatory N95 masks, vaccine passport, social distancing. They're flattening the curve, so i guess it works.
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4th December 2021, 19:10 | #2181 | |
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6th December 2021, 10:57 | #2182 |
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I won't deny people are trying to enlarge their influence by offering panaceas. The most intuituve solutions seem to be winning out to explain / manage the weirdness abound in this pandemic. I think we can all agree thinking fast on such a complex global event is not helping, and people who put solutions in place have been reluctant to change when something doesn't work out as advertised. (typical response being "Imagine how bad it would have been if we DIDN'T do this!?", or "It didn't work because some people didn't pull their weight. Shame them!")
So yes, some things stink about this pandemic and there's no good answers yet (like more heart attacks and strokes in 2021 vs 2020). But yet we lurch at and act on the first shitty solution thinking it's easy to swap out for a better solution / understanding. Normally this wouldn't be a problem but laws and policies are being pushed through based on our current response before we know if it's actually working. Vaccine passports, for instance, scare the shit out of me. The vaccines don't stop transmission, but the vaccine passport certifies you can freely move through society. To me, it looks like one big obedience / loyalty test rather than good public health policy.
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6th December 2021, 19:12 | #2183 |
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I don't see it. We were all obedient to the almighty dollar long before the pandemic. There's no need for any test. That's why kiwis move to Australia, isn't it?
Funny thing about NZ is, we don't got all that cash, but we've done so fucking well fading the worst of the pandemic.
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6th December 2021, 19:26 | #2184 |
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Visiting New Zealand's Biggest Antivax Protest
No sound bites, no 'got ya' questions, just views & opinions. Good to see.
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7th December 2021, 15:38 | #2185 | |
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8th December 2021, 15:44 | #2186 | |
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Vaccine Mediated Evolution confirmed.
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The higher the vaccination rate, the higher the daily cases.
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8th December 2021, 15:48 | #2187 |
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Mutations, not cases.
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8th December 2021, 16:00 | #2188 |
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Mutations AND cases. pick any country with high vaccination rate and check their cases.
Geert Vanden Bossche called it mid last year. https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/6160...pen-letter.pdf
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8th December 2021, 16:04 | #2189 |
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Can you explain that one further? Use New Zealand as an example.
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8th December 2021, 16:32 | #2190 | |
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8th December 2021, 16:32 | #2191 | |
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8th December 2021, 16:33 | #2192 | |
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This is what i found just by picking three very obvious countries. United States United Kingdom New Zealand https://imgur.com/a/AdadJ3v Source: https://ourworldindata.org/ Timeframe: 1st Jan 2021 - latest date available Now, I want you to look at that data, and tell me how on earth you came to the conclusion that 'The higher the vaccination rate, the higher the daily cases.' I genuinely want to know what data you looked at to get to that conclusion.
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8th December 2021, 17:03 | #2193 |
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I was more looking at European countries because they all have community spread, and have implemented the trifector of public health recommendations according to Science. That is N95 masks, vaccine passports, lockdowns / curfews.
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers... B~DEU~FRA~AUT The promise was that the interventions will work, in Europe they are giving these interventions a red hot go and it doesn't make a dent.
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8th December 2021, 17:11 | #2194 |
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I do believe you would be better off with an accumulative vaccination chart, or total % of population vaccinated.
Comparing daily cases to daily vaccinations is not very relevant. Other interesting graphs would be Daily cases split by Vax vs UnVax. Now as the total % vax goes up, then those cases should increase, but I think you will find that a lot of the daily cases are still unvax. So an interesting stat there would then be - Daily cases of unvax / total unvax population - Daily cases of vax / total vax population. I think you would then see an interesting trend between the 2 that would tell a completely different story than what Nich is trying to get at. |
8th December 2021, 17:13 | #2195 |
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Then you want to overlay things like Seasons and restrictions.
Cases (predominately) will go up when restrictions are lifted. |
8th December 2021, 17:14 | #2196 |
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8th December 2021, 17:17 | #2197 |
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For shits and giggles, here is Sweden vs their neighbours
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers... E~DNK~NLD~CHE Sweden chose not to impose any mandatory intervenions. People chose their own strategies (masks, isolation, vaccine).
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8th December 2021, 17:21 | #2198 | |
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And not just for cases. But hospitalisations and deaths.
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8th December 2021, 18:28 | #2199 |
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I think the data is there, you just gotta extrapolate in some cases.
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8th December 2021, 18:45 | #2200 |
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The closest I've seen to full transparency on this comparison is the UK Weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report
Page 22 from here: https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_45.pdf
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