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27th August 2010, 14:53 | #83 | |
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I said "if they didn't think that you should get the luxury of being alive". Not if they shared your subjective standard for justified killing.
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27th August 2010, 15:00 | #85 |
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So who gets to decide who is beyond rehab?
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27th August 2010, 15:05 | #87 |
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The person(s) who think that you shouldn't get the luxury of being alive.
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27th August 2010, 15:06 | #88 |
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Yeah sweet. Can you stop this rhetorical question bs and make your point already?
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27th August 2010, 15:10 | #89 |
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My point is that just because you think someone doesn't deserve to be alive is not a justification to kill them.
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27th August 2010, 15:11 | #90 | |
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Also, being a psychopath is anything but luxury.
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27th August 2010, 15:19 | #91 | |
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I just don't see the big deal in executing someone like Graham Burton. I mean, what's the point in keeping him alive? There are some people that are just bad motherfuckers who will do nasty shit if given half the chance. So why give them that opportunity? |
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27th August 2010, 15:48 | #92 |
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Well, for one it means the individual takes 100% responsibility for their actions, that their actions were in no way influenced by their environment or other factors outside of their control.
It's a very utilitarian way of looking at things. NZ isn't very utilitarian I don't think.
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27th August 2010, 17:56 | #93 |
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The problem with capital punishment is that most of the prison population are illiterate, addicted to drugs and affected by mental illness. Killing them offers no insight into preventing their crimes from being repeated over and over by others, but the current 'rehabilitation' programs seem to do little either.
Any human is more valuable alive than dead, but they are no good if they don't get the treatment they need.
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27th August 2010, 17:59 | #94 | |
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So yeah. For every Graeme Burton you execute there's a chance of executing an Arthur Allan Thomas. If you're comfortable with that, you're severely lacking in empathy.
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27th August 2010, 18:20 | #96 | |
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To put it in a better perspective for you. If there was overwhelming evidence of someone committing murder then yes I would like to see an executioner sitting out back with a glock waiting to pop one in the back of his skull followed by a bill for the bullet sent to the convicts whanau. |
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27th August 2010, 18:33 | #98 | |
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How many murderers actually kill again? Don't get all emotional and start referencing only extreme cases like Graham Burton. Edit: Just saw even more idiocy from Xor. Making a murderer's family pay for a murderer's execution? Fuck me, you're stupider than pig shit. At least try and stay consistent -- if someone deserves to be executed because there's some "overhwleming" evidence of guilt, why punish others who weren't actually involved in the act? Thanks for undermining the very foundation of the criminal justice system, you fucking twat. Last edited by cyc : 27th August 2010 at 18:36. |
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So you're saying that the death penalty is a reasonable punishment, but the reasons why it's not a reasonable punishment is a different conversation?
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28th August 2010, 00:32 | #104 |
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Death penalty should be a suspended sentence. So, you commit a crime worthy of punishment by death, and you go to jail as per usual for say 18 years or whatever it is, and if you come out and commit another crime punishable by death, you die.
That way, if you're mistakenly convicted, cool, you just serve jail time, and come out and prove how saintly you really are. Fantastic. However if you're still an asshole after serving time, you die. Still any holes?
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28th August 2010, 10:21 | #105 | |
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28th August 2010, 12:21 | #106 |
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Ooh, that's a good one.
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28th August 2010, 12:24 | #107 |
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This thread needs more Cinclant tbh
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28th August 2010, 14:06 | #109 |
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What I mean is the classical school of criminology, which is considered utilitarian. I.e. it assumes crime stems from rational thought and action, with no factoring for unconscious thoughts and drives.
I'm not an expert of criminology, but I think this is correct usage.
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28th August 2010, 15:15 | #110 |
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28th August 2010, 15:19 | #111 |
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Grow up.
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28th August 2010, 15:28 | #112 |
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I don't agree to surrender my immaturity just because someone has lost theirs!
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28th August 2010, 15:44 | #113 |
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Hahahah.
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28th August 2010, 15:54 | #114 | |
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28th August 2010, 17:45 | #117 |
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*shrug* I must have misread.
Anyways, if we want to do something about crime, we need to start thinking about why so many people need help (particularly women), and why so many don't receive help when they seek it? http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...ed-women-study
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28th August 2010, 21:49 | #118 |
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What an expert guy.
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29th August 2010, 01:51 | #120 |
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*high grammar fives x0r*
It's all about practicality, and the glory of Rome. Villa est villa romana. Gotchorback!
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