|
18th January 2022, 20:03 | #2401 | |
|
Quote:
__________________
Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية |
|
18th January 2022, 20:20 | #2402 | ||
|
Quote:
It takes time to develop - think about it, The original strain and Alpha through Delta are not nearly as infectious, nor as transmissible, as Omicron. It took over a year to develop, test, produce and establish distribution chains. Omicron only emerged a couple months ago - it's going to take time for any Omicron-specific vaccine to be developed. (PS: Not aimed at you FT)
__________________
Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية |
||
18th January 2022, 21:24 | #2403 |
|
Of course not "no death". But the data so far does show that you're at much greater risk of serious illness & death if you're not vaccinated
__________________
Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. |
18th January 2022, 23:02 | #2404 | |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Quote:
Can we stop pretending that 1 human = 1 human? We are not fungible, equivalent beings. One person's outcome does not imply the same outcome in another person. An 80 year old with emphysema is not the same as a 5 year old. Or a 25 year old. Or a 45 year old. Delivering all these "general statistics" is misleading, because people are extrapolating the elderly deaths across the entire population and that's obviously not how it works. The Edge: What shall we do? Deliver people honest information, allow them to make up their own minds, talk to their doctor and assess their own risk, and be responsible for their own health. Allow treatments using whatever drugs show promise, and again, let people consult with their doctor and decide. Stop treating unvaccinated as equivalent to "positive cases" and stop pretending vaccinated are "negative cases". Allow rapid tests to be distributed where required, and let people feel empowered to take the measures they feel necessary. Stop punishing small businesses while allowing the big companies to continue to operate, and stop insisting that everyone MUST take a fucking experimental vaccine that we do know harms some people, don't know what it does long term, and is not as effective as we hoped. Operate "stay home recommendations" where there are massive outbreaks, but don't punish people if they do decide to leave home. Promote healthier lifestyles, and encourage exercise and good nutrition. That is the basis of health - not punishments and job losses and endless vaccination schedules while we sit at home and practice baking and visiting the supermarket as a means to get out of the house. Basically, use common sense, and tell people the truth without threats and coercion and division. Is it really that hard?
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
|
19th January 2022, 14:50 | #2405 | ||
|
Quote:
We know people aren't equivalent. We also know that there are no coherent metrics to measure our differences in any complete fashion. We understand there's no acceptable way to weigh one human life against another, we've seen it play out enough times now, the horrors that result. Yes, it's hard for stupid people to grasp this when on the surface it looks like this is something we could do. Quote:
A friend of mine has covid. The first person I've personally known to catch the virus, Southern US. They'll probably be fine, but I still don't want to go through the days of misery they're suffering. The anxiety that maybe they won't be fine isn't great either. Nor do I want that suffering left to run rampant. The potential psychological and emotional impact on billions, along with the hundreds of billions of work hours lost to people recuperating. Even if you don't care about people dying, even if it's only the worthless frail dying, there is still this huge volume of suffering and other impacts to consider. If we don't have anyone to trust to make this consideration, if freedom means everything must be done on a case-by-case basis, we're buggered anyway.
__________________
Stay shook. No sook. |
||
19th January 2022, 16:17 | #2406 | |
|
Quote:
Yes the older you get the greater the risk but for other age groups it's not insignificant. Even if we pretend it's entirely elderly people being hospitalized & dying that's actually another reason why we should be getting vaccinated.
__________________
Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. |
|
19th January 2022, 17:08 | #2407 | ||
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Quote:
Quote:
It's coming across like a massive scare campaign, and many people are terrified for their lives, when they don't really need to be. The others who realize that the information is incredibly biased have now lost trust in authority, and that's why people are rightfully upset. Most people I talk to (in real life) couldn't give a shit about COVID, and have more problems with lockdowns and passports etc than the actual risk to health. If we were honest, we would accept that getting a vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission is not going to prevent us passing it on to an old person. It's purely peace of mind for those who might want it. As crocos stated, it's old virus definitions anyway, so it doesn't work with Omicron. But it might help people not freak out while their body does what it was always going to do, and takes care of the virus. I'm hearing a lot of personal tales of what appears to be vaccine injury, or side effects, but of course, we're not honest, so these are definitely not vaccine related. The usual: strokes, shingles, heart problems, brain bleeds. Just coincidences that they occurred after vaccination. Since this data is not recorded, any comparison between injury vs actual COVID risk are effectively worthless. "Get vaccinated" ... brought to you by Pfizer
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
||
19th January 2022, 17:12 | #2408 |
|
Yeah, cause there's no problem with kids in hospital for other things catching covid.
This is what I mean by only being able to consider a small subset of information.
__________________
Stay shook. No sook. Last edited by Lightspeed : 19th January 2022 at 17:13. |
19th January 2022, 17:57 | #2409 |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Tell me what's wrong with kids testing positive for COVID, knowing that we're all going to come across this virus and test positive at some point in our lives. Can you accept that this is case? That we can't hide from COVID forever?
As Dear Leader says, "it's when, not if". I actually don't see a problem with kids that happen to be in hospital for unrelated conditions testing positive through routine testing in hospitals. Don't forget, this is in the context of fixed_truth's claim that "kids are at risk too", and I'd like to ask: at risk of WHAT? testing positive, or suffering and ending up in ICU? Because everyone's at risk of getting the virus, but relatively few are at risk of ending up in ICU, especially children. Those that are, again, the usual suspects: immune system issues, or cancer kids. [Underlying conditions] My brain only needs to hold a few pertinent facts: - 99.9% recovery rate - Underlying conditions are the biggest determination of outcome - Age is the next biggest factor - Vaccines are ineffective against Omicron and don't stop transmission - Some people suffer from vaccination It's actually very simple and not at all scary. But 2 years of fear porn has left you all with vaccine hard-ons and a fear fetish.
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
19th January 2022, 18:22 | #2410 | |
A mariachi ogre snorkel
|
Quote:
|
|
19th January 2022, 18:56 | #2411 | |
|
Medical interventions FTW.
Quote:
But you got your list-o'-facts I guess.
__________________
Stay shook. No sook. |
|
19th January 2022, 19:43 | #2412 | |||
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
My brain holds onto the fact that Auckland's vacation rate is approaching 98% and growing. NZ's 94% and growing. You selfish antivax conspiracy guys are just a noisy minority.
__________________
Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. |
|||
19th January 2022, 21:05 | #2413 |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
You missed point 4: vaccines are ineffective against Omicron.
My information isn't conspiracy - it's public knowledge. Pfizer CEO admitted the vaccines don't work against Omicron. You're living with old information, update your grey matter. Auckland Airport worker, double jabbed, boostered, still got COVID. Please explain to me, seriously: If vaccination is our way out of this, and so many people are vaccinated, why are cases at an all time high? There's only one conclusion: the vaccines aren't working. So stop pushing your shitty propaganda product and come up with a new plan.
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
19th January 2022, 21:17 | #2414 |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Try this, from Israel: https://unherd.com/thepost/israeli-v...made-mistakes/
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
19th January 2022, 21:19 | #2415 |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Shitty meme rebuttal
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
19th January 2022, 21:43 | #2416 | |
|
Quote:
__________________
Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong. |
|
19th January 2022, 23:25 | #2417 |
A mariachi ogre snorkel
|
Just give up mate, not worth it
|
20th January 2022, 07:20 | #2418 |
|
Out of interest Simon, what is your policy on coronavirus misinformation being posted here? Another board I've heard of has gone as far as locking people out of specific forums for endlessly posting bs.
|
20th January 2022, 08:03 | #2419 |
I have detailed files
|
My Grandads fought in wars for the freedom for assclowns to assclown.
|
20th January 2022, 08:14 | #2420 | |
|
Quote:
Then the virus mutates, and usually when the mutate they become less deadly. (Which is probably how omicron started, the mutation was one that was highly infectious otherwise it wouldn't have been able to affect the vaccinated.) So while infections are high, we are coming to a point where it is less likely to have a damaging impact on the health sector. So it will become another flu. Where each year there is a vaccine on offer that will help with the current strain. |
|
20th January 2022, 08:15 | #2421 | |
|
Quote:
People went to war for freedom with a chance they could die. AntiVaxs are having their "war" for "freedom" with a chance they could die. |
|
20th January 2022, 08:48 | #2422 | |
|
Quote:
|
|
20th January 2022, 09:45 | #2423 | |
I have detailed files
|
Quote:
|
|
20th January 2022, 11:38 | #2424 |
Raptus regaliter
|
This post brought to you by edging
|
20th January 2022, 11:49 | #2425 |
Stuff
|
Why is the locations of interest map showing different data to the list of locations? Palmy has six on the list but none on the map
__________________
My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. |
20th January 2022, 12:20 | #2426 | |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Quote:
The locations were added at 12pm (40 minutes ago), so I assume their cron job (or manual process) to spit out the json has not kicked off yet. Based on the github page and the last update time, the map gets updated at ~8am, so they'll show tomorrow.
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
|
20th January 2022, 12:26 | #2427 |
I have detailed files
|
^^^ I appreciate his well reasearched and fact based post from DrT!
|
20th January 2022, 13:06 | #2428 | |
A mariachi ogre snorkel
|
Quote:
|
|
20th January 2022, 13:41 | #2429 | |
Stuff
|
Quote:
__________________
My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. |
|
20th January 2022, 13:53 | #2430 | |
A mariachi ogre snorkel
|
Quote:
|
|
20th January 2022, 17:03 | #2431 | |
A mariachi ogre snorkel
|
Quote:
Most of what we might call "disinformation" that's been posted in this thread is just... wilful ignorance? It's actually been fascinating to see things like "1+1 is 3. Look the UK government has announced it in this report here." /reads report "nah dude, on the first page it says '1+1=2' and then there are 50 pages of experiments that all come back '2' "Exactly, 3." "What?" Just being part of these discussions is eye-opening. It's like... https://youtu.be/0pipmGRNjo0?t=75 |
|
20th January 2022, 20:13 | #2432 |
Stuff
|
I feel it’s pretty open here which is great tbh.
__________________
My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. |
20th January 2022, 21:48 | #2433 | |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
Sorry to provide balance to your discussion, I don't think I'm spreading misinformation such as encouraging you to gargle your own piss.
Health professionals (UK) call for urgent investigation into deaths in young males Quote:
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
|
20th January 2022, 22:01 | #2434 |
|
lolz, all you're doing is cherry picking to stoke your own petty ego. It's so fucking cringe, but I get that it works for you and you're going to keep doing what works. Being an outsider or fringe is exactly what suits you.
__________________
Stay shook. No sook. |
22nd January 2022, 10:39 | #2435 | |
|
Quote:
__________________
Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية |
|
22nd January 2022, 16:24 | #2436 | |
|
Quote:
|
|
22nd January 2022, 17:11 | #2437 |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
|
I don't put enough faith in it that I would find a doctor to get it prescribed, but if "my mate" gave me a two pack with a intact foil seal I wouldn't throw it in the bin.
__________________
Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... |
22nd January 2022, 17:46 | #2438 |
|
For some people, the information doesn't have to be true, it just has to feel true.
"I can't prove it, but I can say it." - Stephen Colbert
__________________
ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ |
23rd January 2022, 11:37 | #2439 |
|
Omicroned. RIP in peace NZ
|
23rd January 2022, 12:23 | #2440 |
|
Here's where things get depressing given NZ's low ICU capability per capita
__________________
Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية |