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16th March 2016, 10:18 | #201 |
Mmm... Sacrilicious
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16th March 2016, 12:32 | #202 |
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Seems to me that pretty much any under-60 educated non-crazy New Zealander would come out as a rabid leftie anarchist.
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16th March 2016, 14:43 | #203 |
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Trump just swept Florida, Rubio's home state, and Rubio's out.
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16th March 2016, 16:07 | #206 |
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16th March 2016, 16:24 | #208 | |
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16th March 2016, 16:51 | #209 | |
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National is like Clinton. Labour is like Sanders. Luckily we don't have any major party fucktards that are like the GOP |
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16th March 2016, 16:54 | #210 | |
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Moreover, the neo-liberal agenda has shifted the whole political arena so far to the right that what used to be radical right is now very often thought of as fairly centrist. The fact that advocacy for the rights of minority groups has successfully achieved a shift in public perception such that we have reached a point where it is possible to have these legislative changes happen doesn't show that National are not a relatively right wing party. A party might plausibly be a long way to the right on economic issues whilst still maintaining an apparently left facade on social issues. The problem is that as long as you're right wing on economic issues, that's going to have flow on right wing effects for a huge number of social issues. It's like how we gave women the vote, but they're still economically disadvantaged compared to men. Oh how very left of us to give them the vote though. Or how American slaves were freed, but the estates that they worked on largely remained in the possession of the slave-owners. Oh, look how left we are! Things are so much more equal now. They're free to work for slave wages or not if they want to, since we still control all of the wealth. Last edited by Nothing : 16th March 2016 at 16:58. |
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16th March 2016, 17:32 | #212 | |
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16th March 2016, 19:47 | #214 |
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I might also reasonably disagree with you over whether Winston First is really further right than National. IMO selling off state owned assets isn't really a very left policy, and National have been pretty aggressive about doing that. By contrast Winston First actually advocates buying our assets back. I'd say that alone is enough to put it left of National. Wikipedia seems to agree with me, listing NZ First as being centrist, and National as being Centre-right. I don't really know what to think about the Maori party being right of national, I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt, by my count we've got 8 parties to the left of National, and only 5 to the right. Even if I was wrong about Winston First, that would still only bring you back to 6 right of national with 7 left. As to the issue of change on Marriage, I'd be willing to bet that the change in policy was much more popular with Labour MPs than National MPs, proportionally speaking. Last edited by Nothing : 16th March 2016 at 22:11. |
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16th March 2016, 22:47 | #219 |
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your goalposts are moving so fast I don't know what your points are any more.
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16th March 2016, 23:04 | #220 |
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According to that graph I should be voting green.
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16th March 2016, 23:31 | #221 |
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I was trying to see if I could get my goalposts to break the Lightspeed barrier.
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17th March 2016, 00:15 | #222 | |
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17th March 2016, 03:02 | #223 |
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Yeah, I'm not saying I like them at all. In fact I don't. But economically speaking, which is a pretty major one, they're left of National. Being economically rightwards, IMO, leads to a hell of a lot of awful shit, socially speaking. Stuff like de-funding rape crisis centres, for instance.
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17th March 2016, 11:24 | #224 |
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Back to the US...
Trump's Popularity in Context: http://www.gallup.com/opinion/pollin...y-context.aspx |
17th March 2016, 11:40 | #225 |
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It's why you don't ask kids what they want for dinner..
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17th March 2016, 11:56 | #226 |
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Democracy is a great idea in theory, because in theory all electors are educated rational moral agents.
America is fucked because for generations it has starved its populace intellectually. The country is on the wane in terms of its wealth and international influence, and a huge chunk of the population burns with resentment about it. They feel ripped off and scared of everyone that isn't them. Stupid scared people who know they used to be powerful and hate that they aren't now are incredibly susceptible to charismatic male authority figures saying shit like "make America great again" and "it's all the Jews' fault". Edit update: one of the things that fascinates/scares me the most about this situation is the way that Trump has hijacked the Republican party's rage machine. The Republican party itself had hijacked the grassroots Tea Party movement and used it as an anti-Obama tool, whipping it up into a rabid hatefest against Obama and everything he stood for - black people, educated people, foreigners - and then NEK MINIT along comes Donald Trump who just goes "I'll take that movement thank you very much, now fuck off". Trump doesn't need the GOP Establishment, he doesn't need their campaign machine, he doesn't need their donors, he sure as fuck doesn't need their media lapdogs (he just said "I don't need to go on Fox News, fuck'em" and won't be attending the next candidate debate). The GOP created this monster and Trump has just come along and annexed it. It's his monster now. This whole clusterfuck has probably destroyed the Republican Party. |
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2012? No different. I'd like to think 2016 will be the year, but I'm not so sure. Every time it's "how can this get any worse"
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17th March 2016, 16:08 | #228 | |
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I should point out that the GOP's 2008 candidate wasn't all that terrible.
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17th March 2016, 16:41 | #229 | |
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17th March 2016, 17:02 | #230 |
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Cheers. The ideas are all uniquely mine of course and have not been expressed anywhere on the whole Internet other than in that post.
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17th March 2016, 17:27 | #231 |
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You only have to watch the 2006 movie Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/) to see where the US of A is heading...
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17th March 2016, 17:40 | #232 | |
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17th March 2016, 20:10 | #233 |
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TRUMP'S GOT WHAT MURKA CRAVES!
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How the GOP ran their 2008 campaign, including the selection of his running mate, was an absolute trainwreck. He ended up being set up to fail.
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18th March 2016, 13:25 | #235 |
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Yeah, McCain seems like a stand-up guy. He must be despairing right now.
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18th March 2016, 14:17 | #236 |
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He seems like a selfish senile old prick.
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18th March 2016, 14:27 | #237 | |
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18th March 2016, 23:02 | #239 |
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Have to say though, Trump > ... > Ted Cruz.
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Trump and violence.
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