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Old 9th August 2006, 00:06     #561
plaz0r
 
grats guys .. awesome loots
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Old 9th August 2006, 00:41     #562
drac0s
 
allowed = no warriors interested. i dunno why either seemed pretty good to me but shrug not a tank.
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Old 9th August 2006, 00:56     #563
sidbo
Raptus regaliter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by drac0s
allowed = no warriors interested. i dunno why either seemed pretty good to me but shrug not a tank.
Huh?

5 or so warriors expressed an interest, but none had the points necessary.
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Old 9th August 2006, 01:48     #564
curses
 
Grats QED good work (-:
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Old 9th August 2006, 03:19     #565
BathTub
 
Last Weekend Nef finally dropped a third Wrath BP for our guild (first in feb, second in april), we are disenchanting Priest and Rogue and Warlock BPs .

8 of 8 finally!



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Onto the Dreadnaught.
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Old 9th August 2006, 06:51     #566
ForKoreaLove
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sidbo
Huh?

5 or so warriors expressed an interest, but none had the points necessary.
No better tanking weapons start dropping till naxx, you should really think about prioritising an amazing weapon like that to warrs.
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Old 9th August 2006, 09:16     #567
BadNova
 
grats qed :>
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Old 9th August 2006, 09:21     #568
Phantom
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Grats guys
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Old 9th August 2006, 09:44     #569
plaz0r
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForKoreaLove
No better tanking weapons start dropping till naxx, you should really think about prioritising an amazing weapon like that to warrs.
It's a pretty shitty tanking weapon really, the stamina is nice but it's really slow and the attack power is wasted.
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Old 9th August 2006, 13:47     #570
Jin
 
Dude its beasty :P
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Old 9th August 2006, 13:57     #571
plaz0r
 
For dps? Sure, it's awesome.

For tanking? Meh .. I'll keep my Quel'Serrar for now.
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Old 9th August 2006, 14:09     #572
Jin
 
I dont exactly play a warrior but I understand the mechanics..

More dmg = more dps = more rage?

Also since dual weilding fury is so leet wouldnt a war want to kill 2 birds with one stone :O
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Old 9th August 2006, 14:15     #573
Torka
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jin
I dont exactly play a warrior but I understand the mechanics..

More dmg = more dps = more rage?

Also since dual weilding fury is so leet wouldnt a war want to kill 2 birds with one stone :O
White damage makes up a vanishingly small percentage of the threat a tanking warrior in tanking gear generates in defensive stance, and in 40 mans, a minority of rage generated.

No one's disputing it's a great Fury DPS weapon (I'm fury spec and I'd really love to have one) but personally I wouldn't find that to be a good enough reason for a class lock.
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Old 9th August 2006, 14:21     #574
Jin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torka
White damage makes up a vanishingly small percentage of the threat a tanking warrior in tanking gear generates in defensive stance, and in 40 mans, a minority of rage generated.
Yer true, but i was meaning more in the way of actual rage generation not threat off hit. Wont the extra rage from hitting harder therefore mean more potential threat as you have more skills spammed in the same amount of time.

[edit]

I didnt read the 2nd half of your post :P

Please ignore me

Last edited by Jin : 9th August 2006 at 14:22.
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Old 9th August 2006, 14:23     #575
Torka
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jin
Yer true, but i was meaning more in the way of actual rage generation not threat off hit. Wont the extra rage from hitting harder therefore mean more potential threat as you have more skills spammed in the same amount of time.
My answer's in what you quoted dude. >_<

Most rage when you're tanking big bad raid mobs comes from getting hit.

Edit: Heh, just saw your edit. nps
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Old 9th August 2006, 14:59     #576
Mabd
 
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quick n00b question: by "white damage" do you mean non-crits? If not - please splain.
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:02     #577
Cyberbob
 
auto-attack only, ie no skill based damage from heroic striking etc
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:09     #578
BadNova
 
Quote:
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quick n00b question: by "white damage" do you mean non-crits? If not - please splain.
White damage is ordinary damage from non-special attacks - ie, from auto-attack. The numbers appear in white, hence the name. Damage from special skills like Heroic Strike, Sinister Strike, Raptor Strike etc all appear in yellow.
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:25     #579
Jin
 
Nova spec hemo imo
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:33     #580
BadNova
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jin
Nova spec hemo imo
zzz
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:40     #581
Jin
 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:41     #582
BadNova
 
more like homo spec amirite
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Old 9th August 2006, 15:41     #583
plaz0r
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jin
Yer true, but i was meaning more in the way of actual rage generation not threat off hit. Wont the extra rage from hitting harder therefore mean more potential threat as you have more skills spammed in the same amount of time.
You will get a small amount more rage from your swings, but the weapon's speed means you're less able to burn through it effectively. Heroic Strike is one of the most spammable high-threat abilities, but as it's an 'on next attack' ability like cleave, you can only use it as fast as you can swing your weapon.
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:12     #584
Evening
 
Tanking

Thunderfury < Quel'Sarr < Spineshatter < Other stuff

nfi whats in Nax
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:17     #585
Omegakai
 
/wrists
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:22     #586
plaz0r
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evening
nfi whats in Nax
I want a Widow's Remorse. Jin posted about one a couple of pages back.
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:26     #587
Evening
 
Shit thats pretty nice. Good n fast. I always thought armor was a little redundant on anything but a druid weapon tho.
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:36     #588
plaz0r
 
Yeah .. I'd rather have a few defense instead of the 100 armor, but I'm not gonna complain
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:37     #589
Jin
 
re: evening Patchwerk begs to differ :x
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Old 9th August 2006, 16:38     #590
Evening
 
Shieldwall on a stick


Re Jin: Valid but hugely situational. Bear tank imo.
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Old 9th August 2006, 17:06     #591
sidbo
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Every single threat ability posessed by a warrior, prot or otherwise, has a static amount of threat with it. For example, Sunder is say 285 threat, Revenge is 350 threat, Shield Slam is 250 threat, HS is 175 threat.

These are all "innate" threat values. The only way to scale up your threat generation is to tack on white damage, and that of course comes from the weapons DPS (or AP + block value for shield slam). In an infinite rage situation you can spam HS, and in that scenario faster will generally be better, but outside of Vael I haven't found a mob yet that I can't empty my rage bar on while tanking.

It's certainly not 2.0 speed of Quel, but neither is it the 2.8 of Spineshatter. If I didn't have a TF I'd absolutely pick up a Crul for tanking over anything else pre Naxx/AQ40. All imho of course.
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Old 9th August 2006, 17:43     #592
Torka
 
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It's certainly not 2.0 speed of Quel, but neither is it the 2.8 of Spineshatter. If I didn't have a TF I'd absolutely pick up a Crul for tanking over anything else pre Naxx/AQ40. All imho of course.
Sure, it's not a worthless tanking weapon either. I think the issue at hand, at least for me, was whether ForKoreaLove's claim that it should be made Warrior priority is justifiable.

Again, IMO it's not, at least not unless your Warriors are still tanking with Timeworn Mace or Scarlet Kris.
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Old 9th August 2006, 17:48     #593
Evening
 
When your looking at the minimal % difference in threat generation from white damage, real stats on an item generaly gives it the weighter value.
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Old 9th August 2006, 17:55     #594
Lykaios
 
Meh, Crul was a Tank (MT1 and MT2 only) priority weapon in our guild. Only one was prioritised because the MT2 has TF. Currently our MT1 uses it as his main tanking weapon (though he has several situational weapons). I think Widow's Remorse is the only thing he plans on replacing it with.

The MT is Ciderhelm, author of the stickied "guide to endgame tanking" on the warrior forums, needless to say he knows what's good and what's not :x
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Old 9th August 2006, 19:08     #595
[reyPh]
 
imo tanks need +weapon skill and +hit and/or crit, needless to say the obvious + stamina.

Spineshatter is pretty sweet imo. I've never been a fanboy of quel.
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Old 9th August 2006, 20:15     #596
ForKoreaLove
 
Quote:
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Yeah .. I'd rather have a few defense instead of the 100 armor, but I'm not gonna complain
Yeah but later on especially if you're prot(anticipation) and your starting to get into T3 defense becomes easier to drop for armor/stam.

e.g. rings: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=23018
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19376

The extra armor/stam is awesome after your past the cannot be crit point.
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Old 10th August 2006, 08:13     #597
Electric-Zeal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evening
Shieldwall on a stick


Re Jin: Valid but hugely situational. Bear tank imo.
Is it just me or is 20 durability a strangely tiny amount for a tanking weapon?

(I'm a lock who knows nothing of tanking business)
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Old 10th August 2006, 08:20     #598
DeskJet
 
well, its not real....20 durability is of course pathetic, but it also shows him as a level 255 warrior
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Old 10th August 2006, 08:39     #599
Cyberbob
 
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well, its not real....20 durability is of course pathetic, but it also shows him as a level 255 warrior
It's real in a way.

It's a private server with edited data files.

That particular glaive is worn by Vol'jin in Org.

No character can get it.
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Old 10th August 2006, 09:08     #600
Evening
 
By the looks of it he just solo'd Vael ^_^
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