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9th November 2015, 17:51 | #1 |
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Christmas Island
Christmas Island rioting
NZ response One poor bugger's sob story I mean, starting a bush fire sounds like a bad idea in Aussie, but indefinitely exiled bad? It's pretty messed up that Aussie has put this in place and NZ is letting it go on. Creeping authoritarianism.
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9th November 2015, 19:43 | #2 |
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"That NZ is letting it go on"? WTF is NZ supposed to do about it?
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9th November 2015, 20:02 | #3 |
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Do you mean what is NZ supposed to do about it? Or what NZ is supposed to do about it without upsetting anyone important?
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9th November 2015, 20:05 | #4 |
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Whichever you feel like answering. Commentary on your example of a UK citizen getting deported would be welcome.
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9th November 2015, 20:10 | #5 |
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Yes, seriously, either would do.
Are you expecting NZ to land forces on another sovereign nation's territory, utterly fucking up NZ's relations with Aussie, not to mention probably fucking over the economy of the whole south pacific? If not, then what are you expecting?
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9th November 2015, 20:13 | #6 |
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And your "poor bugger" story is more a reflection of their fucked up Migration Act than of any particular way Christmas Island is run or this riot.
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9th November 2015, 20:13 | #7 |
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I'm all for invading Australia... it's the last thing they'd expect, we'd have surprise on our side for sure
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I would assume that the most effective means to communicate any serious concern to Australia would be some kind of economic or bureaucratic pain, enough to make some kind of noise in Australia. Something maybe to wake them up to the idea that what they're doing is draconian bullshit. Quote:
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9th November 2015, 23:22 | #10 |
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According to Australian law you may get sent there if you are
a) convicted of a crime in Australia and receive a prison sentence of a year or more AND b) do not hold Australian citizenship or permanent residency Perhaps you could point out the injustice for me in small words. |
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Seriously, you do the crime, you do the time, you get deported. If you don't want to get deported, stop being a crim ffs.
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10th November 2015, 07:26 | #12 |
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Is this one of those 'it's legal so it's fine' arguments?
From my understanding of what's going on here's a few things I have a problem with - Some of these people have served their prison sentence(s) years ago. Some of these people have been living in Australia most of there lives. These people either have to immediately leave Australia or get put in a detention centre for what could be a significant amount of time.
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10th November 2015, 07:29 | #14 |
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Heard the back end of an interview with an Aussie journalist on the radio that Australia had taken a pasting overnight at the UN:
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10th November 2015, 07:59 | #16 |
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Afaik it was when the law was passed. I'm not sure if that was recently amended?
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10th November 2015, 11:47 | #17 |
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Given the power states wield and the historical consequences of state power out of control, I think any steps in this direction always need to be opposed by those who value liberty.
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10th November 2015, 13:37 | #20 |
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Like most countries Australia has a "character test" for nonresidents/noncitizens to be allowed to stay in the country on visitor visas. Under Australian law a person in Australia on a visitor visa crosses the line to "bad character" after 12 months jail time, at which point that person is considered to have failed the character test and his/her visa is revoked.
People who entered Australia with visas that no longer exist are considered overstayers and those people are deported, just like happens in NZ. While the wheels of bureacracy slowly turn the people awaiting deportation are placed in "detention centres". (Not always though - some people seem to get escorted straight from jail to the airport.) Until the current government came to power following the last Australian general election there was some wiggle room for the Dept of Immigration to exercise "discretion" and allow the overstayer in question to remain in the country while trying to sort out a visa. That ability to exercise discretion has been removed, so now it's "if you don't have a visa you're not allowed to be here, door's to your left, the end". |
10th November 2015, 16:08 | #21 |
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John Key stoops to a new low. What a cock
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11543038
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Be proud Australia.
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10th November 2015, 18:38 | #24 | |
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C'mon CCS you know what's going on here.
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That aside, this is also impacting those that are not violent offenders. The comment on Key's part was unworthy of anyone that aspires to be prime minister, and he should have known better. Also if you want to talk about "backing rapists", remind me again which party cut the funding to Christchurch's only rape crisis centre, causing it to close? Clue: It was National.
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10th November 2015, 19:05 | #28 |
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Remember, the NZ detainees on Christmas Island are there by choice. The AU govt has said "if you wish to dispute your immigration status we will fly you to the country that you actually are a citizen of and you can make whatever visa submissions you like from there".
FUCK NZ I DON'T WANT TO GO TO NZ I'D RATHER STAY HERE IN THIS DETENTION CENTRE THAN END UP IN NZ isn't exactly the most endearing position to take. |
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10th November 2015, 19:28 | #30 |
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Key's the only one making such aspersions. It's hardly Labour painting themselves into that position.
However I DO expect Labour to bungle message control, so your prediction may be correct.
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What this leaves me wondering is, is it actually not that bad in detention or do the inmates unwilling to be sent "home" fear something greater? Separation from the life one knows to be abandoned to the unknown is not something many can bear well. The economic models we rely on tell us humans will act rationally, so we must assume those staying over accepting deportation are making what they believe is the best decision available to them.
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Fuck, glad I got out of there when I did. I wouldn't want to be locked up in a 'fun time' camp for watering my garden on a Saturday in Queensland. |
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11th November 2015, 10:05 | #40 |
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lol qed
But still, criminal or not - you gotta treat them like people eh, sort it out strayah plz. |