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14th July 2015, 21:18 | #82 |
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When is NZ going to catch up on this problem with Chinese property investment?
Oh, wait, there is no problem, just racists.
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14th July 2015, 21:24 | #83 |
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Well, calling it a problem? Sure it's a problem if you want to keep rich Chinese folks out of your country. Other than that? They're just obeying the country's laws. Don't like it? GET THE FUCKING LAWS CHANGED YOU RACIST PRICK.
Note: Not you specifically LS but when immigration from other countries occurs the complaints are almost always either demonstrating cultural or racial intolerance. Italians & Irish in New York in the 20's to 40's, the Polish in the UK, etc. Most of the purchasing here is for residential property for people to actually live in - they are emigrating, not investing, and for a whole melting-pot of reasons, they prefer Auckland.
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PS: Getting my info about emigrating from a BNZ internal whitepaper written by Tony Alexander, rather than pulling it out of my arse like Andrew Little.
PPS: Emigrating or Immigrating? I can never remember :-/
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15th July 2015, 08:47 | #85 |
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15th July 2015, 09:41 | #86 |
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A house went up for auction across the road from us.We went over to have a look.There was an indian family and a pasifika family doing the bidding.There was also a person bidding by phone.The house sold for 420K to the phone bidder dude.The indian and pasifika families were clearly devasted.They were young families (sp) trying to get their first home.
2 months later,the house is up for sale. The european real estate agent who bought the house has done nothing to it what so ever,and will likely make 20-30k profit on it.(possibly more.)So it isnt just a yellow peril,its a greed and profit making peril.(which it has been from the start.) |
15th July 2015, 09:42 | #87 |
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Ab stop hating on the boomers..the person I referred to in the above post was about your age.
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If it is so cheap, what invisible and insidious phenomena has blinded us to this?
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15th July 2015, 11:22 | #91 |
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Same law as has been in-place for years already.
IE if you're buying&selling with the intention of making a profit, you're to pay tax on the profit. Most don't declare and don't pay tax. AFAIK Law change is around reporting requirements, if the house is being resold within 2 years you're going to have to fill in some forms for this 'brightline test' to determine if you should be taxed or not.
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15th July 2015, 11:32 | #92 |
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+1 Informative.
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15th July 2015, 12:55 | #94 |
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Reading the all the leftish blogs and Labour party defensiveness over the past couple of days I'm struck by how overwhelmingly the "it's not racist, don't be silly" message is being proclaimed by... comfortably middle-class white people. Almost all of them male.
Because, you know, if there's one thing that people like Andrew Little, Phil Twyford, Rob Salmond, Chris Trotter, angry-neckbeard-guy at The Standard, et al all have in common... it's knowing what racism is. Then you have Keith Ng and Raybon Kan and Tze Ming Mok writing "fuck yeah it's racist, I'm a New Zealander and I'm fucking offen--" "LOOK WE JUST TOLD YOU. IT'S NOT RACIST. YOU PEOPLE NEVER LISTEN." |
15th July 2015, 14:54 | #95 |
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Great politics (by anyone proclaiming racism.) Shit policy, because the world over people are talking about Chinese property investment and its drivers, just as the world would if any nation with vast resources started buying up property around the world.
But certainly I'm hearing names I don't often hear because they're trumpeting racism. Great politics.
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15th July 2015, 15:19 | #96 |
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No, it's just another instance of Labour fucking up and handing the high ground to National.
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If that's true, it's only because our political climate is running hot on simplistic, knee-jerk nonsense. That folk like yourself seem gleeful to promote.
Again, I'm wondering if you're a sadist or a nihilist.
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15th July 2015, 15:56 | #98 |
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Lolspeed is really defensive about this whole thing.
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15th July 2015, 16:02 | #99 |
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Think of all the ways that Labour could have tackled the issue. Every possible way it could have used the Auckland property bubble to make National look bad. Every possible way it could have acknowledged the Auckland property bubble, possible causes, and possible solutions.
Of all those things, the one it chose was to say "We've got some secret data from a secret real-estate agent that shows the Chinese are buying all the houses!" All the houses? Well, a bigger percentage of the secret agent's sales during a three month period were to Chinese people than Chinese people are a percentage of the Auckland population, therefore yellow peril. Chinese people? Well, people with Chinese-sounding names. So they may have been as Kiwi as you or me, but somehow they're part of a problem of "foreign money"? Well, um... Did you ask the agency if any of the non-Chinese-sounding names on its sales reports were "foreign money"? Australians? English? Well, no, obviously.... This secret agency - does it have a special relationship with Chinese investor groups? Does it run any marketing specifically aimed at people in China looking to invest? Did it do that during this three-month period? Well we can't ask, obviously, it's SECRET. You're fucking muppets, aren't you? Yellow peril! |
15th July 2015, 16:10 | #100 |
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But! But! Ab! This data is real! And that's the best we have! Why can't that excuse all the incompetence?
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15th July 2015, 16:16 | #101 |
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So the most important thing to focus on is Labour being clumsy and stupid. The possibility of an actual issue, such as the one that's been going around international media for a few months now and seems to be coming to a peak? What 'evs. That's correct, right?
So, which is it? Sadistic or nihilistic.
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I don't think it's nihilistic or sadistic to conclude that Labour fucked up big time on this issue.
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That's not even the tip of the ice-berg sized ineptitude being displayed by Labour on this issue alone. I had to point out to my wife, when she got sucked into feeling sorry for the poor, attempting to be first home buyers trying to live the Kiwi dream, etc. that a significant portion of our KiwiSaver investment and conceivably these same first home buyers KiwiSaver, is in foreign property securities whose primary source of revenue is rental income. WHITE PERIL WHITE PERIL |
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15th July 2015, 16:39 | #104 |
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Neither do I. What is sadistic or nihilistic is gratifying ourselves over Labour's bumblings rather than engaging in serious political discourse.
Forget about Labour. What we need to ask is is the problem genuine and if so what do we want to do about it.
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15th July 2015, 19:48 | #113 |
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In other news, I just remembered that we had this same discussion a while back somewhere around here: http://www.nzgames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1979238 |
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Political roundup: Labour's dangerous racial politics in which political lecturer (probably rabid National) details all the rabid National supporters who have come out against Labour's racist ways.
Same rabid National lecturer's twitter feed full of retweets from other rabid National supporters who are facepalming over Labour's racism. Also a collection of 'Top tweets opposing Labour’s racial housing strategy'. That's a lot of rabid National supporters. Here's a rabid selection: Quote:
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Yeah, nah, they already tried that, we didn't like that either.
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16th July 2015, 11:24 | #117 |
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Look, an evil chinese property investor
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