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Old 22nd July 2013, 14:10     #41
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Appealing to racism? That'll never work in Australia.

Oh, wait.

Kevin Rudd assumes Labor leadership, announces breathtakingly unjust and inhumane refugee policy, brace yourselves for a snap election announcement any second.
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Old 24th July 2013, 11:10     #42
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...718-2q5rv.html

Thought provoking article on "queue jumpers"
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Old 24th July 2013, 12:04     #43
Ab
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It's not thought-provoking, it's simple common sense. But both major Australian parties have given up on common sense because winning the election depends on appealing to a small subset of swing voters in marginal electorates. Polling shows those voters are not motivated by common sense, they're motivated by a desire to keep the fucking darkies out mate. Thus both parties will be running on a platform of "we're more inhumane to refugees than the other party".
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Old 8th August 2013, 19:03     #44
Ab
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Fuck those fucking refugees!



Yeah, fuck 'em!

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Old 3rd September 2013, 13:02     #45
Ab
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If Tony Abbott is elected prime minister on Saturday he will abolish the watchdog established by Labor to keep an eye on the billions of dollars received and spent by Australian charities each year. Why?

The answer, in part at least, may be the lobbying power of church conservatives, the Catholic Church in particular, and the office of Sydney Cardinal George Pell, more particularly still.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...831-2sxqs.html

Yay.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 15:30     #46
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Fuck that. I see why voting is compulsory in Aus; there doesn't seem to be any party worth voting for!
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Old 3rd September 2013, 18:16     #47
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Amer^H^H^Hustralia, fuck yeah!
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Old 3rd September 2013, 19:16     #48
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
I look forward to the reassurance of knowing that the Catholic Church does not have to disclose anything about how much money it's spending on covering up child rape.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 21:19     #49
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Fuck those fucking refugees!



Yeah, fuck 'em!

smirk.
state houses.
education for single mums.
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Old 3rd September 2013, 23:43     #50
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smirk.
state houses.
education for single mums.
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To be fair, boat-people and legit refuges are not the same thing. And that says he arrived as a refuge, not a cue-jumping boat-kid.
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Old 4th September 2013, 06:58     #51
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to be fair,is it?
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Old 4th September 2013, 11:59     #52
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I just thought 'boat people' and 'asylum seeker' was a cynical politicians' way of not saying the R word...
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Old 6th September 2013, 11:55     #53
Ab
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Liberal party Internet policy yesterday:

Morning: release policy announcing compulsory Internet censorship

Afternoon: have senior MPs (one of them the Shadow Minister for Telecommunications) explain and defend the policy on national radio

(interlude: Australian Internet users go apeshit)

Evening: deny that the policy was actually policy

Night: attack the Labor party for once proposing something similar to the policy
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Old 6th September 2013, 13:49     #54
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I just thought 'boat people' and 'asylum seeker' was a cynical politicians' way of not saying the R word...
lol, no. While both are refugees. Boat people/Asylum seekers attempt to enter the country illegally where refugee's are legally allowed to stay in Straya, cunt. There is some quotas system where your name gets pulled.

Married refugee's have a much higher chance of being given citizenship than single refugees. Which is often why you'd see a strange mix. E.g. Burmese wimin married to an Iraqi guy.

Over 90% of refugees accepted into NZ are unemployed
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Old 6th September 2013, 14:27     #55
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
No.

"Boat person" is a media label, it means nothing.

An asylum seeker is someone who seeks visa-less entry into the country by being legally classified as a refugee. The term would make more sense if it were "refugee-status seeker" but yeah.

Key point: it's not illegal, and Australia is a signatory to numerous UN conventions that require it to treat asylum-seekers humanely. But, you know, election time and I am not a racist but gotta keep the darkies out mate, dey tuk er jerb oi oi oi.
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Old 6th September 2013, 15:15     #56
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Old 6th September 2013, 17:42     #57
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Thumbs up

best call.
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Old 7th September 2013, 18:35     #58
Ab
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Election day bitches.

Voted for the local Green candidate in the lower house with Labor as first preference, in the upper house I had Secular Party at the top with Sex Party as first preference. Then it was down down down to Family First and Christian Party at the very bottom.
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Old 8th September 2013, 19:08     #59
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Quote:
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No.

"Boat person" is a media label, it means nothing.

An asylum seeker is someone who seeks visa-less entry into the country by being legally classified as a refugee. The term would make more sense if it were "refugee-status seeker" but yeah.

Key point: it's not illegal, and Australia is a signatory to numerous UN conventions that require it to treat asylum-seekers humanely. But, you know, election time and I am not a racist but gotta keep the darkies out mate, dey tuk er jerb oi oi oi.
Hang on, I thought there was a process where in registered displaced people in foreign countries were granted refugee status in Australia, and transported there, and are permanent residents once they arrive. There is a set number of people that they are willing to take this way. (and NZ does exactly the same, just fewer people because we're smaller).

Conversely, 'boat people' are people attempting to skirt this system and hope that by arriving on the shores on the target country and requesting asylum status, they will be allowed to stay in the country as permanent residents.

So the first one is an accepted system where in people are granted residency prior to arrival, and is legal, the second is illegally attempting to force Australia to accept them because they've shown up and 'have a heart'? Are you saying both are equally legal ways to attempt residency status?
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Old 8th September 2013, 19:09     #60
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Voted for the local Green candidate in the lower house with Labor as first preference
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that's not what I would have expected you to do. Are the Australian Labor and Green parties nothing like their little brothers across the ditch?
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Old 8th September 2013, 23:37     #61
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The Australian Greens are more of a progressive liberal party with a particular interest in environmental issues. The NZ Greens are more of a hard-left socialist party. If you put their policy lists side by side they're actually quite different.

http://greens.org.au/policy

https://www.greens.org.nz/policy


Personally whenever election time comes around I compare the policies and personalities putting themselves forward for consideration, evaluate them based on my own beliefs, and vote accordingly (and remember Oz has a bicameral parliament so I'm voting for a local representative to the lower house and a state representative to the upper house).

In my local electorate five candidates put themselves forward for consideration as my MP. One candidate ruled himself out by representing religious bigots; one candidate ruled himself out by representing a vanity party for a crazy billionaire; two candidates ruled themselves out by representing parties that campaigned on a policy of "fuck the immigrants"; so by a process of elimination I was left with the Greens candidate. Thus my preferences paper was marked in that order.

Edit update - didn't mention that I live in a safe Liberal seat. So my lower-house vote was symbolic, the Liberal candidate was always going to win.
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Old 9th September 2013, 13:00     #62
GM
 
I'm a little disappointed more people didn't vote for the crazy billionaire vanity party as.. dinosaur parks for everyone!
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Old 9th September 2013, 13:23     #63
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The Australian Greens are more of a progressive liberal party with a particular interest in environmental issues. The NZ Greens are more of a hard-left socialist party. If you put their policy lists side by side they're actually quite different.
you really think so?
other than the much better web presentation,i think you'll find the aussie one is pretty much just bullet-points in comparison...presumably so as to 'not scare the horses'.
i guess the aussie right being such a bunch of outrageous bigots makes the choice easier,but im pretty amused how 'way out' and 'left' otherwise conservative kiwi expats come to think of themselves.
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Old 9th September 2013, 14:15     #64
Ab
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During the last/current Labor administration the government tried to push through a fucking hideous policy of mandatory internet censorship (commentary at various places on NZG but mostly here IIRC). The legislation was stopped indefinitely by the Greens who basically said "this proposed legislation is hideous and it won't pass so long as its passage requires our votes in the Senate".

I gave them props for that. They may be a bunch of commie enviro-loonies, but hey... they're MY KIND OF commie enviro-loonies.

But in the lower-house election I let the candidates rule themselves out of consideration.

Family First ruled themselves out by you know, Jebus.

Palmer United ruled themselves out by running on a platform of "What Clive Palmer says is awesome is awesome! And Clive Palmer says mining is awesome! And he also says that Clive Palmer is awesome!"

The Lib/Nat Coalition ruled itself out running on a platform of "We'll stop the boats! And copper is a perfectly adequate delivery medium for IP traffic for the conceivable future!"

Labor ruled itself out by running on a platform of "We'll stop the boats! And whatever else Kevin Rudd decides on the spur of the moment! By the way he's totally not an insane vindictive psychopath!"
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Old 9th September 2013, 14:46     #65
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Rudd did seem better than Abbott though.
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Old 9th September 2013, 14:50     #66
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I'm pretty happy that a homophobic, sexist, science denying, religious nutter like Abbot would never be elected Prime Minister of New Zealand.
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Old 9th September 2013, 15:42     #67
Ab
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Quote:
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Rudd did seem better than Abbott though.
No... no he didn't. If Australia had a primary election system I would vote for Abbott over Rudd. I disagree with just about everything Abbott believes, but I think Rudd is actually crazy.

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I'm pretty happy that a homophobic, sexist, science denying, religious nutter like Abbot would never be elected Prime Minister (snip)
That's what people said when Abbott became Leader of the Opposition over here. Six years later he's in the big seat. All it takes is the right kind of self-destructive backstabbing muppetry on the other side.
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Old 9th September 2013, 16:21     #68
Nothing
 
Clearly I do not know enough about Australian politics.
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Old 9th September 2013, 17:23     #69
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Clearly I do not know enough about Australian politics.
o really?
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self-destructive backstabbing muppetry
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Old 9th September 2013, 19:14     #70
Ab
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Quote:
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I disagree with just about everything Abbott believes, but I think Rudd is actually crazy.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/how_ke...mL7gLrK69U2OvN

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Held deep within the top strategy group of the Liberal war room was a document which gave a name and a diagnosis to the personality of Kevin Rudd. It was a document provided to the Liberal’s strategy team on an informal basis by a psychiatrist friendly to the Liberals after Rudd had returned to the Labor leadership on June 26. In a nutshell, this document offered an arm’s-length diagnosis of Rudd as suffering a personality disorder known as “grandiose narcissism”.

The document was not shown to Abbott, but rather remained within the strategy group as an informal check-list, often as a tool for comparison after Rudd had already behaved in ways that the Liberal strategists believed could be leveraged to their advantage. The Liberal war room had reached its own conclusions about Rudd long ago, based on his public behaviour and the damning revelations of his colleagues.

But the document provided an affirmation that the snapshot of the enemy on which a fighting campaign was based had a context. It listed recognisable symptoms and behavioural patterns linking Rudd’s personality to the clinical symptoms for grandiose narcissism – drawing conclusions about Rudd’s mindset. It also proposed tactics to leverage Rudd’s personality.

Describing grandiose narcissism as less a psychiatric disease and more a destructive character defect, the document suggested Rudd was held together by one key strut: an absolute conviction of intellectual superiority over everyone else. “Kick out that strut and he will collapse; basically he is a self-centred two-year-old in an adult body. Prone to wanting everything – now! If not, then he has a two year-old’s tantrum.”

Rudd, the document went on, was vulnerable to any challenge to his self-belief that he was more widely-read, smarter and more knowledgeable than anyone else “on the planet”. Such a condition of grandiose narcissism would make Rudd obsessively paranoid, excessively vindictive – “prepared to wait years to get revenge”, and “a spineless bully” who would strike an easy target; he would predictably be excessively sensitive to personal criticism. If publicly goaded, he could easily have a “mega tantrum”. If described as “stupid”, such a personality would mount an almost impenetrable intellectual defence. If undermined in front of an audience, with his intellect undermined, Rudd could be prone to “narcissistic rage”.
On the money. Everything Rudd has ever done fits this model perfectly.
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Old 13th September 2013, 22:10     #71
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Being relatively new to watching Australian politics, why was Gillard kicked out then? It's pretty clear that Rudd was not a popular man with the party. Was it simply to use his popularity with the public - which I don't really get either as I thought Gillard wasn't really doing a bad job when she got rolled..

Either way, Labour were always going to lose, and now we've got 'you're not saying anything' Tony.
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Old 14th September 2013, 04:23     #72
Ab
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QUick disjointed summary:

Point zero, and this is what it all comes back to: Kevin Rudd is insane.

2007 election: Howard got voted out for many of the same reasons that Helen Clark got the sack - the PM and party had been in power for too long, started to believe their own propaganda, did dumb shit, the PM had no clear internal successor who hadn't been squashed by the PM, and the voters wanted a change.

The Australian Labor Party was in a mess for many of the same reasons that NZ Labour is in a mess (like "does the country even need a Labo(u)r Party this century?") and in the chaos Rudd had positioned himself to be the next cab off the rank when Australia tired of Howard and the Liberal-National coalition.

So Labor won the 07 election and Rudd became the new PM, and the greater Labor party, the public service, and the media realised that he was batshit crazy. Sleepless, paranoid, vindictive, with no idea of how to actually run the country. Picture Suez Crisis Anthony Eden, that's what we're talking here.

Rudd was focused on only two things: firstly, the next media appearance at which he needs to put on The Friendly Mask, and secondly ENSURING THE BRUTAL MACHIAVELLIAN DESTRUCTION OF ANYONE WHO HAS EVER INSULTED, OPPOSED, OR MILDLY INCONVENIENCED HIM. Running the country? Waaaay down the priority list.

So internally the Labor party realises that hey, shit, the boss is fucking nuts. (Note: only the people who work with and/or see him on a daily basis realise this.) The Labor heavyweights start looking for an alternative and the best option in terms of politics, perception, and sanity is a feisty redheaded ex-union lawyer with a vagina named Julia Gillard, the popular Minister of Education who has been doing a great job whipping the nation's schools into shape. (The only complicating factor seems to be that she's friends with Tony Abbott. And you know, is a ginger with a vagina.)

So the Labor heavyweights do the numbers and enough of the Labor MPs hate Kevin Rudd for a coup to be successful, and they talk Julia into being the figurehead (she is, according to several sources, a reluctant participant). Rudd is deposed mid-term and Julia becomes PM without leading the party at an election.

Now several things come into play. Firstly, the average Australian voter is retarded and watches too much American TV to realise that in Australia the voters elect local representatives and the local representatives choose their leaders and the leader with the most representatives gets to be PM. The voters don't themselves choose the PM. But being ignorant of this fact Joe Sixpack in Dubbo gets his jockeys in a twist because HE DIDN'T VOTE FOR JULIA TO BE PM GODDAMMIT. Secondly, Joe Sixpack in Dubbo is a misogynist pig who thinks women are good for two things, sucking cock and cooking his dinner, and his bitch is shit at half of those anyway, so Joe can't stand the fact that a fucking VAGINA is running the country.

But that all pales into insignificance beside the third thing: after Rudd was deposed THE FUCKING IDIOTS DIDN'T PUT A STAKE THROUGH HIS BLACK HEART AND CUT HIS HEAD OFF. Now Kevin isn't PM he doesn't have as many media appearances to do so he's got even more time on his hands to devote to his other favourite pastime of ENSURING THE BRUTAL MACHIAVELLIAN DESTRUCTION OF ANYONE WHO HAS EVER INSULTED, OPPOSED, OR MILDLY INCONVENIENCED HIM.

And that's what he did. He sat back and plotted, backstabbed, leaked anonymous papers, and basically did everything in his power to destroy Julia Gillard. Seriously, she's lucky she doesn't have any kids because he's the kinda guy who would have unexpectedly picked them up from school before texting Julia thirty seconds before an appearance on national television just to let her know that he had her kids. We're talking bunny-in-the-pot obsession here.

Rudd's internal destabilisation campaign left Gillard weakened going into the next election - hard to put up a strong fight when an Anonymous Senior Labor Figure just leaked a secret briefing paper to the news media describing the difficulties of running the country when the PM's all cranky and fat because she has her period and did we mention she's got a vagina - so Labor's majority was slashed and Gillard had to stitch together an MMP-style coalition of minor parties in order to form a government. Gillard had to spend so much energy and political capital holding the Labor-led coalition government together that she was on the back foot every day.

So for these - and a million other reasons mercilessly exploited by an Anonymous Senior Labor Figure - Gillard's personal popularity was low and Labor's polling sucked. Rudd saw his chance and challenged her for the leadership. The Labor MPs voted overwhelmingly for Gillard, who remained Labor leader and PM.

This of course was taken by Rudd as confirmation that everyone in Labor was out to get him and the only course of action was to purge them all. Once the party was destroyed he could repopulate it with people loyal to him. So he continued with the epic destabilisation campaign and as Australia got closer to a federal election all those MPs in marginal electorates looked at Julia's terrible polling numbers and realised that those numbers meant unemployment for a lot of them.

And here's the thing: Kevin Rudd was very good at putting on The Friendly Mask whenever a camera was pointed at him. So only the people who knew him and worked with him realised that he was batshit crazy. And there were lots of Joe Sixpacks from a lot of Dubbos out there who only needed to know that Kev didn't have a vagina to know that he was their guy.

And the federal election got closer and all those marginal backbenchers looked at the polling just in from Dubbo and got very scared, because Julia was spending all her time and energy defending herself from mysterious attacks originating at the office of an Anonymous Senior Labor Figure instead of being Prime Ministerly, and Kev made another challenge and this time he had the votes to topple Gillard so he became PM again in time for the election.

Boom! most of the Labor Cabinet instantly handed in their resignations because, being insiders, they all preferred unemployment to working with Kevin Rudd. So Labor went into the election with a massive knowledge and talent gap at the top - everyone who actually knew how to be a government refused to be part of one if it was led by Kevin Rudd.

And during the election campaign it became evident to even Joe Sixpack from Dubbo (aided by some very careful psychoanalysis on the part of the Liberal strategists, linked above) that Kevin Rudd was madder than a cut snake. He was fucking all over the place as usual but this time the media reported on it. And his egotism was such that he would not mention any of the good things that had been achieved by Gillard and Finance Minister Wayne Swan, because they were unpersons now and we have always been at war with Eastasia. Labor had gambled on a crazy Leader who was hated by all his colleagues because he had been able to fool enough of the voters into liking him. And then even the voters realised he was fucking crazy and it was time for an electoral bloodbath and that's what happened.
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Old 14th September 2013, 11:28     #73
Wally Simmonds
 
Thanks Ab - that lines up with what I've seen. Tbh, I actually thought Kevin seemed okay but like you have pointed out I have only really paid the slightest of interest when he is on TV.

Poor Julia Gillard.
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Old 17th September 2013, 11:31     #74
Nothing
 
Political progress in that great southern land.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/sc...-1226720375674
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Old 17th September 2013, 13:02     #75
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Laugh

how about a new 3star general to take care of asylum seekers.....?
aus on a war footing.
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Old 17th September 2013, 13:06     #76
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ffs, tone abet strikes again
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Old 20th September 2013, 14:33     #77
Ab
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Tony Abbott just announced that he will be taking over as minister in charge of women's policies - the AU equivalent of Minister of Women's Affairs.

That's some pro-tier trolling right there kids.
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Old 20th September 2013, 15:01     #78
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lololz, so awesome.
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Old 23rd September 2013, 18:08     #79
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neat, the entire board of the NBN Co just handed in their resignations.
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Old 25th September 2013, 04:38     #80
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NBN status update for
AB'S HOUSE
Service available | Fibre 100Mb downstream/40Mb upstream

How much does the installation cost?
Currently at least one installation option will be available at no charge for your premises.
Thanks Tony!
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