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16th August 2018, 14:25 | #41121 |
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If you blow on my pie you won’t see me cry
Gotta whistle while you work it Cannot be unheard.
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16th August 2018, 18:44 | #41122 | |
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A guy at work has mentioned that his daughter has the same symptoms you mention, and had been told by a Doctor that it's slapped cheek but he's not convinced.. |
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16th August 2018, 18:53 | #41123 |
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Unfortunately big data is about selling ads and swaying elections, not improving our lives.
Similarly, if we tracked symptoms of food poisoning and where people are eating, we could identify sources of food contamination.
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16th August 2018, 18:58 | #41124 | |
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16th August 2018, 20:03 | #41125 | ||
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17th August 2018, 07:26 | #41126 | |
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17th August 2018, 08:54 | #41127 |
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The general idea has been bouncing round for a very long time (like centuries) but recently it's been revived by aspects of the alt-right, in particular both of the Canadians who didn't speak here have repeatedly raised it in a non-critical fashion.
The (longish) wiki page on the history of the idea is a really interesting read if you've got a while. Personally my biggest issue with it is that it's often deployed as an explanation for why particular ethnic groups haven't "done well" in societies without integrating the numerous other factors (both cultural and economic) which often have a bigger impact on "success" in diasporic communities (i.e. how "smart" an individual is may have an impact on their success but things like strong networks are just as, if not more, important).
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17th August 2018, 10:20 | #41128 |
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I like the description of early US army psychologists doing IQ tests finding that the average American had below average intelligence.
I think it captures the nature of IQ testing nicely.
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17th August 2018, 11:34 | #41129 | |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtSyjxjF7Lk They talk about living in a world where we are all taught "How" to do things, and the limitations in this way of thinking as we are restricted by our natural talent, time, interest, etc. Another equally important skill is seeking out and collaborating with people with the skills to fulfill your ideas. The ability to delegate, and give over control. Towards the end there's an anecdote about a commencement speech where A-students were asked to stand up. They were given a round of applause, The C-Students were asked to stand up, and then the A-students were told "Meet your future employers!" |
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17th August 2018, 14:03 | #41130 | |
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I saw a Jordan Peterson video in which he described how US army recruiters estimated 10% of recruits were below a threshold of useful intelligence. That is, that 10% were not intelligent enough to be trainable to do anything. |
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17th August 2018, 14:26 | #41131 | ||
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Two pretty good articles surrounding the history, and current use of, IQ tests.
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17th August 2018, 14:51 | #41132 | |
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My understanding of the issue is: every aspect of human biology reflects the hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection we've experienced since homo sapiens became a distinct branch of the ape family tree. Different populations experienced different pressures in different places and the adaptations to those pressures are reflected in ethnic differences. For any given trait humans are very very similar and most of us are lumped together under or close to the peak of the bell curve. But those small differences between ethnic groups are significant out at the edges of the curve. For example: if you were to graph short-distance running speed most fit healthy humans would be statistically similar and thus the middle of the distribution would be a melting pot. But at the far right of the curve, the fastest of the fast, every person would be of West African descent. Pick a trait, any trait (height, speed, resistance to a given disease or parasite, ability to metabolise alcohol, ability to digest lactose, whatever) and there will be differences between human ethnic groups because our ancestors have passed through different evolutionary bottlenecks in the past quarter of a million years. Kinda obvious really. To say that some ethnic groups can run faster than others is to state obvious common sense, bfd. Intelligence is a trait. To say that some ethnic groups are more intelligent than others is to get fucking destroyed. Unfortunately getting destroyed for saying it does not make it any less true, and it does appear that differences in intelligence between ethnic groups become evident, like running speed, out at the edges of the curve. For example people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry are on average more intelligent than just about everyone else. Take a look at a list of Nobel prizewinners in science and maths, like, duh. But the normal distribution has two edges, and it appears that people with distinctly sub-Saharan-African genes are overrepresented at the left side of the intelligence curve. Admitting this is a politically suicidal move because inequality, because slavery, because colonialism, because humans are fucked. Of course there are lots and lots of other factors that come in to play - nutrition, education, family environment, role models, pure luck, like I said I'm not a statistician and even I know there are bajillions of factors that have to be considered in a multivariate analysis. But ethnic variations in intelligence are A Thing, because intelligence is just another trait. To bring this back to the post of Lightspeed's I was replying to, yes we are in the era of big data now, and we are collecting data on everything, and some of the things we're learning are, shall we say, politically inconvenient. But we're now living in a world where intelligence makes a big fucking difference. |
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17th August 2018, 16:20 | #41134 |
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Yeah, "by what definition of intelligence?" is a sensible question. There are certain "intelligence tests" that chimpanzees outperform humans in.
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17th August 2018, 16:26 | #41135 |
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On the other end of the spectrum, Harvard has changed it's admissions policies based on the exceptional performance of Asian Americans. The non-whites are statistically out-performing the westerners at their own game.
But perhaps they needed to slow it down as Asian Americans are the largest demographic group among students. https://college.harvard.edu/admissio...ons-statistics There is a lawsuit saying their policies are discriminatory, but their defense is that Asians lack people skills. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/u...pplicants.html So perhaps they don't want a school full of over-achieving assholes. Nothing wrong with trying to strike a balance there. Or perhaps a handicap is placed on people based on their race, while others (African American, Latino) get a boost. It's a dangerous razor's edge they straddle trying to do the right thing. Which race's do we choose to handicap, and which do we boost, and for which environment? Harvard obviously have their long history of students and admissions to make a judgement based on their own demographic statistics. It may have originated as a White / Western measure of intelligence that ensured exclusivity, but today the top performers in that model happen to be Chinese, Korean, Indian, et al. |
17th August 2018, 17:08 | #41136 |
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Soooo we're not sure if ethnicity can be scientifically defined, or if IQ tests are accurate in measuring intelligence, and how much IQ differences between ethnicities are even due to ethnicity
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17th August 2018, 18:06 | #41137 |
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I believe the correct form begins "So what you're saying is..."
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17th August 2018, 19:34 | #41138 | |
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The issue with these early tests by the army was their baseline was a small sample from a specific region of the US, compared with the large sample of diverse army recruits. And that they were testing to suit the purposes of the army. So if the army wanted to train the top 5% of recruits as officers and drop the bottom 10% completely, then the tests would be designed as such.
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17th August 2018, 21:15 | #41139 |
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I have little to add, except a wee anecdote from the boy - he was sitting an exam, and I asked how it went:
"Pretty good, but the eugenics question was a bit retarded" I cracked up - such humour from one so young. Turns out it was just a dumb question. |
18th August 2018, 11:39 | #41140 |
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20th August 2018, 19:05 | #41141 |
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21st August 2018, 15:23 | #41142 |
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Spend Bill Gates' Money
https://neal.fun/spend/ |
22nd August 2018, 14:14 | #41143 | |
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22nd August 2018, 15:09 | #41145 | |
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23rd August 2018, 11:19 | #41146 |
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Had a bunch of homeless people casually talking about taking my rain jacket as I walked past them in city today. Reminds me of being back in Whangarei.
Really loving the roving bands of homeless people we've got in Auckland these days. I'm sure they're thrilled about it too.
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23rd August 2018, 12:57 | #41147 |
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I'm amazed that all of NZ's media have avoided using the "S" word when discussing Greg Boyed's "death after battling depression".
Is there a new taboo that i'm unaware of?
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23rd August 2018, 13:08 | #41148 |
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There has always been a taboo on it.
I think there was always a unwritten rule to not talk about suicide. At least now they print all the lifeline numbers/help at the bottom. |
23rd August 2018, 13:51 | #41149 |
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Reporting Suicide: A resource for the media
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23rd August 2018, 16:45 | #41150 |
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Baseball: Meet the 12-year-old, 1.85m, 112kg baseball pitcher
Dafuuuuq? I don't believe it. Someone's having us on. That kid is maybe 17 or something. Ain't no damn 12 year old! Stop pulling me leg!
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27th August 2018, 19:03 | #41151 | |
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b. declining interest in studying arts and humanities? or realisation that arts and humanities faculties are an intellectual dead end in this the year of our lord 2018? |
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27th August 2018, 20:14 | #41152 |
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Dead? More like murdered. There's no place for "useless" education any more. You gotta be making hard cash, or GTFO.
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27th August 2018, 21:41 | #41153 |
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Little do they know that Arts and Humanities jobs may be the last to be automated. Live it up, knowledge workers! You better upskill in marketable empathy while you can or the best job you'll get in 5 years will be helping old people cross the road and then listening for 2 hours to what kind of cuisine their cat enjoys the most.
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5th September 2018, 20:44 | #41154 |
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Re-watching Dodgeball tonight. Man, the Lance Armstrong scene hasn't aged well.
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7th September 2018, 08:26 | #41155 |
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RIP Burt Reynolds
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7th September 2018, 08:52 | #41156 |
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My moustache grew an extra 0.3mm as Burts essence was released into the aether.
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7th September 2018, 11:30 | #41157 | |
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7th September 2018, 15:24 | #41158 |
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7th September 2018, 16:58 | #41159 |
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Rogan must have hit Musk with some Joey Diaz shit.
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7th September 2018, 21:40 | #41160 |
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Rogan was either too nervous, too high... hard to tell.
There were great moments, but Rogan was the king of tautologies while trying to get his questions out. |