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3rd April 2017, 19:08 | #2121 | |
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From nothing to two homes, one in Auckland, in two years
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5th April 2017, 17:38 | #2122 | |
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5th April 2017, 22:35 | #2123 |
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Oblig John Oliver - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2_wSsDwkQ
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7th April 2017, 17:01 | #2124 | |
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The collapse of print media isn't because journalism started being shit, it's because the Internet destroyed most of the print CLASSIFIEDS industry, and that's what used to pay for good journalism. The real estate pages are the only classifieds left in the Herald. The Herald running "you too can buy a house" as every second story isn't them pumping up the housing bubble; it's the Herald looking after the only advertising clients it has left. |
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7th April 2017, 17:34 | #2125 |
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Whereas it's this sort of shit that I've been teaching my (now ex) students for the last 3 years. It's exactly these sorts of correlations that academics have been talking about for the last 15 years. It's the same thing that happened with the introduction of television (and radio before that). These aren't revelations, you don't have to be smart to work it out - this is basic fucking critical thinking.
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7th April 2017, 18:08 | #2126 |
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The bit about classified revenues was of course already known to me; but I hadn't put 2 and 2 together on the Herald's current editorial policy. SO NOW I'M NOT FEELING LIKE MR SMART GUY AND I DON'T LIKE IT AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU NOT POKING ME
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7th April 2017, 18:43 | #2127 |
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If I seem prickly it's because I consider most people to be smarter than me (my train-wreck of a life is pretty good evidence of this) - yet it terrifies me that stuff like this escapes people on a regular basis. And it isn't just the Herald and real estate, these are the mechanics that all commercial media operate in relation to.
This is pretty much the only place where I can poke people a bit and feel I can get away with - SO I'D APPRECIATE YOU NOT BEING A SNOWFLAKE ABOUT ME ELBOWING YOU IN THE RIBS ABOUT THIS SHIT
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7th April 2017, 19:56 | #2128 |
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Not just classifieds, but advertising in general. Same thing has happened with TV. Advertising revenue is down because The Intarnet is the hip place to advertise. With less money to spend, the programming quality goes down. Fewer people watch the increasingly shittier programmes and with fewer people to see the ads, the stronger the case for the advertisers to concentrate on online.
TVNZs CEO says FTA television is not sustainable long term. He's not entirely wrong, but are TVNZs digital offerings good enough to pick up where FTA leaves off? Uhm...
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7th April 2017, 20:20 | #2129 |
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Could not agree more CCS.
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7th April 2017, 22:37 | #2130 |
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I think there could be an upside to print and broadcast media devolving to non-commercial applications only.
I think the what we're seeing at the moment is media companies trying their best to make the last of the money from broadcast advertising. Which has become even more grotesque and horrible than advertising normally is. I'm really hoping open-source domestic AI kills advertising altogether. But that's probably a ways off.
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8th April 2017, 16:14 | #2131 |
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Yeah sorry dude I don't think any of that is going to happen. NGO's don't have the resources to operate broadcast platforms and I don't think that most governments are going to be interested either.
Advertising is here to stay (unless there is some absolutely world shattering calamity that totally changes the way we view the world) and no techno-utopic buzz-word fest is going to do anything other that ramp it up to the nth degree.
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8th April 2017, 17:04 | #2132 |
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We're fucked if we keep allowing ourselves to be dominated by an industry where the business model is to compel people to make irrational decisions in favour of its clients.
I would be completely surprised if AI isn't developed to aid personal descion making. *Rational* descion making, with much more access to unbiased information, beyond an individual's capacity. AI like Google already does this to a point, but it's still largely impersonal, and in favour of its clients.
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8th April 2017, 18:09 | #2133 |
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Who is going to program those AI? Google. Where does most of Googles money come from? Advertising.
Any AI Google, or any other tech company develops is going to serve it's customers - the advertising industry. If it's not Google then it will be some other company - who need funding, no one will fund a product (which is how AI will be marketed) that doesn't support the current model. Open source is nice in theory, but in practice it's little to no competition for the major players in the tech industry. Rational decisions operate in relation to a frame work of thought - if that frame work of thought is defined by the current industries (as it will be) then you work out what sort of "decisions" it will promote. Anyway this is all techno-utopian BS, as I said, the only way out of this cycle is collapse.
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8th April 2017, 18:47 | #2134 |
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I'm really fucking drunk right now so don't expect highlevel discourse but you fucks should read this
https://markmanson.net/everything-is-fucked |
8th April 2017, 18:59 | #2135 |
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This will be a good discussion to dig up in 5-10 years time.
I think your understanding of AI is overly grandiose. Simple AI could do the job. Intense connectivity along with constant observation of the user may be enough. Something that can run on a phone. Mobile VR tech will ensure sufficient resources. There are surely examples of open source tech supported by enthusiasts. Are we as a society going to continue to become more educated and sophisticated? Or are we expecting to be shut down, kept stupid? I would expect a large boom in technology, given the generations coming up completely immersed in tech, far more than any of us. Given the clear problems around information bubbles and increasingly inadequate media coverage, I expect to see some solutions emerging.
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8th April 2017, 21:32 | #2136 | |
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The funny thing is the idea of broadcasting kinda of set a counter for that - in that it is a one-to-many system. Everyone gets the same content - within technical reason. This is why have debates about "the media". Who is being served by it, who can exert control over it, how does it effect and affect us? We don't have increasingly inadequate media coverage, we have a saturation of media coverage, from multiple different view point and interpretations. This has literally developed to cater for the previously mentioned different social (etc.) groupings because there is money in doing so. Lots of money it turns out. Quote:
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This is why I described it as techno-utopian, because you're literally just saying "this technology will fix everything around this problem" and absolutely no details on how or why.
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8th April 2017, 22:11 | #2138 | |
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I'll reply to that in a couple of days when I have more head-space available to be at least somewhat coherent.
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Bernays was wrong, btw. We're all ultimately rational, there is no way a species can be successful if its decisions are irrational.
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LS - excuse my grumpy tone, extended family's cat got put down today / crap week.
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9th April 2017, 22:29 | #2140 | |
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Meet the 21-year-old earning $1000 per week dating sugar daddies
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10th April 2017, 06:21 | #2141 |
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10th April 2017, 09:46 | #2142 |
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I dunno...$250 - $1k per week isn't very much. Barely scraping $52k per annum.
Anyway - in today's NZHerald property adverteroial: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11835327 "From $30k to $1 million! Using daddy's $240k 'equity gift'" *sigh* |
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11th April 2017, 10:28 | #2144 |
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Do you genuinely know any evolutionary biologists?
I do appreciate it's easy to create a frame where actions can be viewed as irrational - we can see such actions in our own lives. But surely if the universe is coherent and rational then that which exists within it is also so, at least within the local region.
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11th April 2017, 11:41 | #2145 |
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Perhaps being specific about what type of rationality you are talking about would clear up some of the confusion LS (or perhaps it'll make it worse).
Also whether or not Jodi personally knows any evolutionary biologists is irrelevant - they're right that that field (like many others) use a specific definition of rationality.
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11th April 2017, 11:46 | #2146 | |
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Eeeeh I dunno... the property classifieds wouldn't be much on the NZH bottom line. I think one would have to look at the back handed payments Ronovationz is giving Anne Gibson to advertise their services. 8 articles that include their name in them - 5 in the past 2 months...all by Mrs Gibson. |
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As you say, specific concepts apply to specific disciplines... which is why I find it so frustrating when people insist dictionary definition is the only way words can be defined.
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There are a number of technologies emerging that I believe will allow us to be freed to do the thing that only we do that can't be replaced by technology: deciding what we want. Here's what I'm thinking about, the list isn't complete:
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20th April 2017, 18:11 | #2152 |
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Wow, Herald so keen to get the news out that they didn't finish the headline! Also, Mr Stuart Hintz, those aren't fucking machine guns the police are carrying. You ignorant moron. DIAF.
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22nd April 2017, 10:14 | #2153 |
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Ricky McQ - statue bro?
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22nd April 2017, 13:19 | #2154 |
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Indeed! The wife's done a few articles on Stuff Nation before regarding housing a few years ago when we first moved back to NZ.
Now that Herald/Stuff seem to be obsessed with stories about housing etc, they looked us up for a short piece. There's a few inaccurate pieces (I didn't give them my income, and its above the bracket they mentioned), not sure if it's just sloppy notes from the reporter or an attempt to "averagize us" a bit more. The point still gets across, but it does tend to be a bit "woe is me" for my tastes.
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22nd April 2017, 13:42 | #2155 |
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its stuff.co.nz, did you expect them to start accurately and objectively reporting this week?
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22nd April 2017, 15:39 | #2156 |
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DAMNIT I knew that name was familiar.
Good shit.
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24th April 2017, 08:20 | #2157 |
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What Gerbs said.
Seeing that article took me out of retirement and back here. Thanks Stuff! (via Reddit) Wow, the place looks hasn't changed much since last time I was lurking... |
25th April 2017, 21:11 | #2158 |
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Stop it.
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4th May 2017, 15:08 | #2159 |
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Pose nude on a sensitive site
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