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plaz0r · 9th August 2006, 01:06

grats guys .. awesome loots

drac0s · 9th August 2006, 01:41

allowed = no warriors interested. i dunno why either

seemed pretty good to me but shrug not a tank.

sidbo · 9th August 2006, 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by drac0s

allowed = no warriors interested. i dunno why either

seemed pretty good to me but shrug not a tank.

Huh?

5 or so warriors expressed an interest, but none had the points necessary.

curses · 9th August 2006, 02:48

Grats QED good work (-:

BathTub · 9th August 2006, 04:19

Last Weekend Nef finally dropped a third Wrath BP for our guild (first in feb, second in april), we are disenchanting Priest and Rogue and Warlock BPs

.

8 of 8 finally!

/flex

Onto the Dreadnaught.

ForKoreaLove · 9th August 2006, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidbo

Huh?

5 or so warriors expressed an interest, but none had the points necessary.

No better tanking weapons start dropping till naxx, you should really think about prioritising an amazing weapon like that to warrs.

BadNova · 9th August 2006, 10:16

grats qed :>

Phantom · 9th August 2006, 10:21

Grats guys

plaz0r · 9th August 2006, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForKoreaLove

No better tanking weapons start dropping till naxx, you should really think about prioritising an amazing weapon like that to warrs.

It's a pretty shitty tanking weapon really, the stamina is nice but it's really slow and the attack power is wasted.

Jin · 9th August 2006, 14:47

Dude its beasty :P

plaz0r · 9th August 2006, 14:57

For dps? Sure, it's awesome.

For tanking? Meh .. I'll keep my Quel'Serrar for now.

Jin · 9th August 2006, 15:09

I dont exactly play a warrior but I understand the mechanics..

More dmg = more dps = more rage?

Also since dual weilding fury is so leet wouldnt a war want to kill 2 birds with one stone :O

Torka · 9th August 2006, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jin

I dont exactly play a warrior but I understand the mechanics..

More dmg = more dps = more rage?

Also since dual weilding fury is so leet wouldnt a war want to kill 2 birds with one stone :O

White damage makes up a vanishingly small percentage of the threat a tanking warrior in tanking gear generates in defensive stance, and in 40 mans, a minority of rage generated.

No one's disputing it's a great Fury DPS weapon (I'm fury spec and I'd really love to have one) but personally I wouldn't find that to be a good enough reason for a class lock.

Jin · 9th August 2006, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torka

White damage makes up a vanishingly small percentage of the threat a tanking warrior in tanking gear generates in defensive stance, and in 40 mans, a minority of rage generated.

Yer true, but i was meaning more in the way of actual rage generation not threat off hit. Wont the extra rage from hitting harder therefore mean more potential threat as you have more skills spammed in the same amount of time.

[edit]

I didnt read the 2nd half of your post :P

Please ignore me

Torka · 9th August 2006, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jin

Yer true, but i was meaning more in the way of actual rage generation not threat off hit. Wont the extra rage from hitting harder therefore mean more potential threat as you have more skills spammed in the same amount of time.

My answer's in what you quoted dude. >_<

Most rage when you're tanking big bad raid mobs comes from getting hit.

Edit: Heh, just saw your edit. nps

Mabd · 9th August 2006, 15:59

quick n00b question: by "white damage" do you mean non-crits? If not - please splain.

Cyberbob · 9th August 2006, 16:02

auto-attack only, ie no skill based damage from heroic striking etc

BadNova · 9th August 2006, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mabd

quick n00b question: by "white damage" do you mean non-crits? If not - please splain.

White damage is ordinary damage from non-special attacks - ie, from auto-attack. The numbers appear in white, hence the name. Damage from special skills like Heroic Strike, Sinister Strike, Raptor Strike etc all appear in yellow.

Jin · 9th August 2006, 16:25

Nova spec hemo imo

BadNova · 9th August 2006, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jin

Nova spec hemo imo

zzz

Jin · 9th August 2006, 16:40

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BadNova · 9th August 2006, 16:41

more like homo spec amirite

plaz0r · 9th August 2006, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jin

Yer true, but i was meaning more in the way of actual rage generation not threat off hit. Wont the extra rage from hitting harder therefore mean more potential threat as you have more skills spammed in the same amount of time.

You will get a small amount more rage from your swings, but the weapon's speed means you're less able to burn through it effectively. Heroic Strike is one of the most spammable high-threat abilities, but as it's an 'on next attack' ability like cleave, you can only use it as fast as you can swing your weapon.

Evening · 9th August 2006, 17:12

Tanking

Thunderfury < Quel'Sarr < Spineshatter < Other stuff

nfi whats in Nax

Omegakai · 9th August 2006, 17:17

/wrists

plaz0r · 9th August 2006, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evening

nfi whats in Nax

I want a Widow's Remorse. Jin posted about one a couple of pages back.

Evening · 9th August 2006, 17:26

Shit thats pretty nice. Good n fast. I always thought armor was a little redundant on anything but a druid weapon tho.

plaz0r · 9th August 2006, 17:36

Yeah .. I'd rather have a few defense instead of the 100 armor, but I'm not gonna complain

Jin · 9th August 2006, 17:37

re: evening Patchwerk begs to differ :x

Evening · 9th August 2006, 17:38

Shieldwall on a stick

Re Jin: Valid but hugely situational. Bear tank imo.

sidbo · 9th August 2006, 18:06

Every single threat ability posessed by a warrior, prot or otherwise, has a static amount of threat with it. For example, Sunder is say 285 threat, Revenge is 350 threat, Shield Slam is 250 threat, HS is 175 threat.

These are all "innate" threat values. The only way to scale up your threat generation is to tack on white damage, and that of course comes from the weapons DPS (or AP + block value for shield slam). In an infinite rage situation you can spam HS, and in that scenario faster will generally be better, but outside of Vael I haven't found a mob yet that I can't empty my rage bar on while tanking.

It's certainly not 2.0 speed of Quel, but neither is it the 2.8 of Spineshatter. If I didn't have a TF I'd absolutely pick up a Crul for tanking over anything else pre Naxx/AQ40. All imho of course.

Torka · 9th August 2006, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidbo

It's certainly not 2.0 speed of Quel, but neither is it the 2.8 of Spineshatter. If I didn't have a TF I'd absolutely pick up a Crul for tanking over anything else pre Naxx/AQ40. All imho of course.

Sure, it's not a worthless tanking weapon either. I think the issue at hand, at least for me, was whether ForKoreaLove's claim that it should be made Warrior priority is justifiable.

Again, IMO it's not, at least not unless your Warriors are still tanking with Timeworn Mace or Scarlet Kris.

Evening · 9th August 2006, 18:48

When your looking at the minimal % difference in threat generation from white damage, real stats on an item generaly gives it the weighter value.

Lykaios · 9th August 2006, 18:55

Meh, Crul was a Tank (MT1 and MT2 only) priority weapon in our guild. Only one was prioritised because the MT2 has TF. Currently our MT1 uses it as his main tanking weapon (though he has several situational weapons). I think Widow's Remorse is the only thing he plans on replacing it with.

The MT is Ciderhelm, author of the stickied "guide to endgame tanking" on the warrior forums, needless to say he knows what's good and what's not :x

[reyPh] · 9th August 2006, 20:08

imo tanks need +weapon skill and +hit and/or crit, needless to say the obvious + stamina.

Spineshatter is pretty sweet imo. I've never been a fanboy of quel.

ForKoreaLove · 9th August 2006, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by plaz0r

Yeah .. I'd rather have a few defense instead of the 100 armor, but I'm not gonna complain

Yeah but later on especially if you're prot(anticipation) and your starting to get into T3 defense becomes easier to drop for armor/stam.

e.g. rings: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=23018
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19376

The extra armor/stam is awesome after your past the cannot be crit point.

Electric-Zeal · 10th August 2006, 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evening

Shieldwall on a stick

Re Jin: Valid but hugely situational. Bear tank imo.

Is it just me or is 20 durability a strangely tiny amount for a tanking weapon?

(I'm a lock who knows nothing of tanking business)

DeskJet · 10th August 2006, 09:20

well, its not real....20 durability is of course pathetic, but it also shows him as a level 255 warrior

Cyberbob · 10th August 2006, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeskJet

well, its not real....20 durability is of course pathetic, but it also shows him as a level 255 warrior

It's real in a way.

It's a private server with edited data files.

That particular glaive is worn by Vol'jin in Org.

No character can get it.

Evening · 10th August 2006, 10:08

By the looks of it he just solo'd Vael ^_^

9th August 2006, 10:21	#568
Phantom May contain nuts	Grats guys __________________ omgwtf

9th August 2006, 01:06	#561
plaz0r	grats guys .. awesome loots

9th August 2006, 01:41	#562
drac0s	allowed = no warriors interested. i dunno why either seemed pretty good to me but shrug not a tank.

9th August 2006, 04:19	#565
BathTub	Last Weekend Nef finally dropped a third Wrath BP for our guild (first in feb, second in april), we are disenchanting Priest and Rogue and Warlock BPs . 8 of 8 finally! /flex Onto the Dreadnaught.

9th August 2006, 14:57	#571
plaz0r	For dps? Sure, it's awesome. For tanking? Meh .. I'll keep my Quel'Serrar for now.

9th August 2006, 15:09	#572
Jin	I dont exactly play a warrior but I understand the mechanics.. More dmg = more dps = more rage? Also since dual weilding fury is so leet wouldnt a war want to kill 2 birds with one stone :O

9th August 2006, 15:59	#576
Mabd	quick n00b question: by "white damage" do you mean non-crits? If not - please splain. __________________ Boop Boop

9th August 2006, 16:02	#577
Cyberbob	auto-attack only, ie no skill based damage from heroic striking etc __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

9th August 2006, 16:40	#581
Jin	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9th August 2006, 16:41	#582
BadNova	more like homo spec amirite

9th August 2006, 17:12	#584
Evening	Tanking Thunderfury < Quel'Sarr < Spineshatter < Other stuff nfi whats in Nax

9th August 2006, 17:26	#587
Evening	Shit thats pretty nice. Good n fast. I always thought armor was a little redundant on anything but a druid weapon tho.

9th August 2006, 17:36	#588
plaz0r	Yeah .. I'd rather have a few defense instead of the 100 armor, but I'm not gonna complain

9th August 2006, 17:37	#589
Jin	re: evening Patchwerk begs to differ :x

9th August 2006, 17:38	#590
Evening	Shieldwall on a stick Re Jin: Valid but hugely situational. Bear tank imo.

9th August 2006, 18:06	#591
sidbo Raptus regaliter	Every single threat ability posessed by a warrior, prot or otherwise, has a static amount of threat with it. For example, Sunder is say 285 threat, Revenge is 350 threat, Shield Slam is 250 threat, HS is 175 threat. These are all "innate" threat values. The only way to scale up your threat generation is to tack on white damage, and that of course comes from the weapons DPS (or AP + block value for shield slam). In an infinite rage situation you can spam HS, and in that scenario faster will generally be better, but outside of Vael I haven't found a mob yet that I can't empty my rage bar on while tanking. It's certainly not 2.0 speed of Quel, but neither is it the 2.8 of Spineshatter. If I didn't have a TF I'd absolutely pick up a Crul for tanking over anything else pre Naxx/AQ40. All imho of course.

9th August 2006, 18:48	#593
Evening	When your looking at the minimal % difference in threat generation from white damage, real stats on an item generaly gives it the weighter value.

9th August 2006, 18:55	#594
Lykaios	Meh, Crul was a Tank (MT1 and MT2 only) priority weapon in our guild. Only one was prioritised because the MT2 has TF. Currently our MT1 uses it as his main tanking weapon (though he has several situational weapons). I think Widow's Remorse is the only thing he plans on replacing it with. The MT is Ciderhelm, author of the stickied "guide to endgame tanking" on the warrior forums, needless to say he knows what's good and what's not :x

9th August 2006, 20:08	#595
[reyPh]	imo tanks need +weapon skill and +hit and/or crit, needless to say the obvious + stamina. Spineshatter is pretty sweet imo. I've never been a fanboy of quel. __________________ high five man - Stig aka demannu

10th August 2006, 09:20	#598
DeskJet	well, its not real....20 durability is of course pathetic, but it also shows him as a level 255 warrior

10th August 2006, 10:08	#600
Evening	By the looks of it he just solo'd Vael ^_^