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Old 23rd September 2022, 14:06     #2921
Nich
 
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With fascism you're either working a mass grave or you're in one.

Fucking hell man.
We're US's bitch. RAND is more than happy to describe the ways in which it will sacrifice Europe / Ukraine to Russia, and Australia / NZ to China if it squeaks out a few more years of imperialism. We're too whipped to realise we're in the vanguard.

It extends to how our governments virtue signal to please US too. CDC, FDA, Fauci and Pfizer call the tune, and Europe, Canada, UK, Aus, NZ all buy their shitty ideas and products.
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Old 23rd September 2022, 15:10     #2922
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So you've just discovered US hegemony? And you think it's fascism?

Look at how we vote. We're willing to throw the vulnerable under the bus for a budget surplus, but you expect world powers to be purely egalitarian?
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Old 24th September 2022, 12:53     #2923
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Media council upholds complaints against RNZ for stories about government decision on when to end MIQ

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The Media Council welcomes investigative journalism. However the majority decided that the three RNZ articles summarised the Ministry of Health document incorrectly. While accepting that RNZ was working from only one Ministry of Health memo it was misleading to indicate, as the RNZ articles did, that an abandonment of MIQ was now recommended in that first memo. In fact the memo qualified the move from MIQ by saying it had to be a carefully managed and staged transition amongst other qualifications. The Director-General of Health's recommendation was that MIQ "may" no longer be justified. The government responses included at the end of the first and second articles did not correct this unfairness.
I suppose this means The Media Council is on the government take as well? They step in when broadcasters forget the government money they enjoy?
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Old 26th September 2022, 10:13     #2924
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An open letter that made headlines calling for a herd immunity approach to Covid-19 lists a number of apparently fake names among its expert signatories, including “Dr Johnny Bananas” and “Professor Cominic Dummings”.

The Great Barrington declaration, which was said to have been signed by more than 15,000 scientists and medical practitioners around the world, was found by Sky News to contain numerous false names, as well as those of several homeopaths.

Others listed include a resident at the “university of your mum” and another supposed specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena.

Sky News discovered 18 self-declared homeopaths in the list of expert names and more than 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy and Mongolian khoomii singing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-bananas-covid

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Old 26th September 2022, 11:36     #2925
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Massive points for such blatant demonising of homeopaths.
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Old 27th September 2022, 22:44     #2926
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Looks like it needs another "swift and devastating take down". Pesky science, can't it just be deleted from the internet so we can get higher than 2% injecting themselves with our "approved" Omicron shots.

No one is buying it. Vaccine, pharma, public health integrity is obliterated. No one wants to go any further into the abyss, and no one wants to look back at their shameful COVID years.

Well, I'll gladly keep talking about it.
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Old 28th September 2022, 11:50     #2927
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Looks like it needs another "swift and devastating take down".
Nah, leave it up. It's a good example of the level of competent of these people.

15k isn't a very large number really, it wouldn't have taken all that much work to verify signatories.
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Old 1st October 2022, 18:00     #2928
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What has a higher quality of endorsement?:
-15k voluntary real & fake signatories (some of the fake names fear they may lose their job if they are identified... others are trolls); or
-1 million doctors and nurses who just follow orders or lose their job if they deviate

Their alternate strategy was intended to spark debate, as stated in the declaration. What they noticed was the 2020 response seemed to be the exact counter to almost all prior studies and research into pandemic responses. They wanted public debate, that was too "extreme" to be allowed.

They also noticed that official COVID response had zero risk/benefit analysis. I could go into that, but what's the point it's all blatantly obvious all the risks pretty much came to pass and none of the benefits were proven.
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Old 1st October 2022, 20:01     #2929
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In what universe is the healthcare profession populated by people who are there because they need the work?

And who are "they"?
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Old 1st October 2022, 22:32     #2930
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Sad to see the state of the conversations on NZG has ended up like this.
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Old Yesterday, 11:03     #2931
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You kidding?
This is my version of the womans weekly!
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Old Yesterday, 11:50     #2932
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Laugh

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Sad to see the state of the conversations on NZG has ended up like this.
I don't know what you're talking about. When was it NOT like this?
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Old Yesterday, 16:49     #2933
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You're welcome, happy to oblige.

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In what universe is the healthcare profession populated by people who are there because they need the work?

And who are "they"?
Doctors or nurses with a license to practice get work, demand is high. That's not what I'm arguing. Some of them had a conscience and promoted (COVID) vaccine hesitancy (or put their real name as a signatory on the GBD), lost their license, and their ability to practice medicine. What I'm saying is other doctors / nurses also have a conscience, but are unwilling to lose their license.

To clarify, "They" = authors of Great Barrington Declaration
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Old Yesterday, 19:41     #2934
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Laugh

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I don't know what you're talking about. When was it NOT like this?
Yeah, sort of, true enough there have always been bigots and idiots here. I guess the change is that up until recently most of it didn't really matter for issues like public health. Maybe I'd held some (naive?) hope that when it came to stuff like this, it would be some sort of recognisably different category that everyone would be less inclined to be silly buggers about, but here we are.
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Old Yesterday, 19:58     #2935
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Some of them had a conscience and promoted (COVID) vaccine hesitancy
Ages ago someone waved some NZDSOS open letter or something in front of my face, telling me that 150 doctors and nurses in NZ had signed this letter warning that the vaccines were dangerous. Of course, that number sounds scary if you're not smart enough to ask how many doctors and nurses in NZ there are.

It turns out there are about 16,908 doctors and about 58,206 nurses, for a total population of 16,908 + 58,206 = 75,114. So if 150 doctors and nurses signed their stupid letter, then that ammounts to 150/75,114 = 0.19% of the doctors and nurses in NZ. I can't be completely sure, but I wouldn't be in any way shocked to learn that the proportions are similar in other countries around the world.

And so basically, you're arguing that for an entire profession of people whose profession exists *solely to help people and ease suffering*, that 99.8% of the people in that profession don't have a conscience. Genious.
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Old Yesterday, 20:24     #2936
Nothing
 
The thing that really is a head scratcher for me, is that there are still people who think that the vaccines are worse than covid, even though it's pretty straight forward to see the difference in deaths between us (a country that was more or less fully vaccinated *before* covid got loose in the population), and somewhere like America, where the virus ran rampant for a year before they got their hands on the vaccine.

America:

Covid cases: 96,200,000
Covid deaths: 1,060,000

Death rate per 100 cases = 1,060,000/96,200,000 = ~1.1

NZ:

Covid cases: 1,780,000
Covid deaths: 2,030

Death rate per 100 cases = 2,030/1,780,000 = ~0.11

Without the vaccine their rate of death has been literally ten times higher than ours.

Even if you take all of the people in our country who could *conceivably* claim that the vaccine has injured them in some way (there have been, according to medsafe, 2905 adverse events of special interest following vaccination, as at 31/08/2022), and add them to the total number of deaths we have had, even if you do that and you say that actually the vaccine just straight up *killed* all of those people, we would still be doing:

4935/1,780,000 = death rate per 100 cases 0.27 = 1.1/0.27 =

407% better than America.

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