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The problem with these large populations of infected people is it gives the opportunity for more variants to emerge, potentially one which vaccines will be ineffective against.
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28th April 2021, 07:40 | #1322 |
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24th May 2021, 14:38 | #1324 |
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So is it acceptable yet to talk about how this virus is a lab experiment gone wrong? or is that still considered racist or some shit?
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24th May 2021, 15:00 | #1325 |
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The conversation I'd want to have is how do you know what you know? Fundamentally how do you retrieve and assess information to form some kind of knowledge base and decision making process.
Cause what you just said exists well outside of what I know, and I put some effort into both knowing what I know and not knowing what I don't. Within my current frame of knowledge I wouldn't assess your statement as racist, but rather stupid. Of course, I'm well aware I'm the one who has been stupid in many cases, hence why the conversation I'm interested in.
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24th May 2021, 15:01 | #1326 |
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There's nothing wrong with truth seeking but if you talk like it's fact it'll sit you firmly with the QAnon, flat earthers and jet fuelers.
edit: and moon landing denialers.
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24th May 2021, 16:27 | #1327 |
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I hold no opinions on COVID's origins and I suspect we'll never get any real answers, but this article raises some excellent points (long read):
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Unless you mean the experiment was to release it under controlled conditions and shit went wrong. That would be a concern. But the good old racism in people with pick up and call foul. Even if it was lab based, it is probably a big wakeup call on shit that can happen to humans. Other things came and went and most people probably didnt give a shit - Ebola, bird flu, swine flu. Maybe society as a whole could thank China for it. Maybe the human race will learn and become better because of it. |
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24th May 2021, 17:39 | #1329 |
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All the experts have been discussing for years about how it was inevitable & overdue for humanity to have a global outbreak, and how it would be devastating to our way of modern life.
Then it happens and so many people jump to "THIS COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAPPEN NATURALLY!!111" Pandemic: How to Prevent an Outbreak
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24th May 2021, 18:28 | #1330 |
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Experts: This is the mildest most innocuous most painless pandemic we could possibly have wished for, and we still fucked it up. Our systems just fell apart.
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When it comes to concluding one way or the other two things stand out: first the lack of certainty, so many factors, including my own biases cloud what I might know. Second, the lack of significance of knowing either way. I don't feel any conclusion leaves me more enlightened, or with useful course of action.
In all situations China fucked up, the world fucked up. Sanity exists in mere pockets, probably due to luck as much as anything else.
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Main two points he pushed were: The US was doing Corona/bat virus research earlier, but I think Bush Jr ruled it out, so the work moved to China. The ban was redacted under Obama. Statistically strange that the reported ground zero was at the wet market just down the road from the only lab doing the research. I don't think he mentioned the job vacancy, but I remember news reports at the time (Jan/Feb/Mar 2020?) saying it was still visible. And the strong implication that China didn't release it, but that the CIA used the weak safety protocols from the inside. Now that bit requires a lot of tinfoil. |
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30th May 2021, 17:43 | #1335 |
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I saw a US paper about measuring excess death years with a model used to demonstrate how the pandemic has resulted in more death than we'd otherwise see. By death years it means life expectancy vs actual age of death.
What it found was in the US using this method in 2017 the US saw a spike in death years, that exceeds the pandemic. This is explained by a large portion of deaths during the pandemic occurring at about life expectancy. I came about it because someone was waving it about as proof there's no pandemic. Rather than shit being bad in the US, killing people before their time.
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2nd June 2021, 07:22 | #1337 |
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WA coronavirus transmission reported in hotel quarantine after man infected by guest in next door room
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...tine/100180480 "we can't get our shit together, so neither can you."
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4th June 2021, 12:05 | #1338 |
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Was there a Wuhan lab leak? An inquiry won’t dig out the truth. It will deepen the deception
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2...-leak-inquiry/ Lies upon lies upon lies.
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That article deepens your stupidity.
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Like most things, we didn't know about it because why would we? That doesn't make the information secret or hidden away. People in positions of responsibility, whose work is available for scrutiny, understood and knew there are these kinds of facilities (the line between healthcare/weapons research is somewhat blurry) and it was understood the protections were inadequate and ill advised.
The thing is there is a huge amount of nested politics going on, which has the consequences of unduly influencing decisions that should be made with discipline, and a high degree of opacity as information only arrives through multiple layers of bureaucracy. Now I'm willing to believe that whole pandemic could be some Bond level shit at the highest/lowest levels. Or maybe this is a global inoculation plan to protect us from an incoming space virus that's being kept secret from the public. Maybe NZ is the only country on Earth, the rest of the planet is a projection kept in place by advanced aliens. But I'm not going to trying and chase down any certainty about these things, nor be cued up for new information about them. If these things were true, my capacity to know would be outstripped. Paradigms would need to shift before I could begin to consider knowing something new. When I think to myself what do I think likely happened, I admit I lean towards an escaped manufactured virus. But as I think that, a big red flag pops up labelled "Sinophobia". I come from a culture with a long history of treating Chinese as less than human. I try to account for this bias, but am I over correcting, not correcting enough? I can't tell. Also, I consider there are people who would be very happy with me believing China is to blame, without concern for what actually happened. People in positions of influence, with the opportunity to set up bunk narratives. So the truth is I don't know according to my personal theory of knowledge. And in any case, knowing doesn't leave me with a course of action, except that which I already know to be the case: support politicians who demonstrate a concern for justice.
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4th June 2021, 17:56 | #1344 |
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Trump was the president of the united states, he wasn't a conspiracy blogger or youtube streamer. He had plenty of time and resources to produce evidence of a lab leak.
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Resources... really? Remember this is the Alternate Truth guy. For him it wouldn't have mattered what the truth of the source is, just what story he can spin that suits his agenda. Which is what he did.
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4th June 2021, 21:36 | #1346 |
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This was an abject failure by journalism as a whole, as Western reporters fell over themselves virtue-signaling to their tribes rather than, you know, reporting.
We no like orange man Therefore what orange man say wrong Orange man say virus from China Therefore virus not from China Person who say virus might be from China must like orange man People who like orange man bad Trump’s a narcissistic toddler, but that doesn’t make any given thing he says wrong. Wrongness makes a thing wrong, not the person saying it. |
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I'll wait, you guys can catch up.
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5th June 2021, 04:01 | #1348 |
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5th June 2021, 09:00 | #1349 |
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I can't remember if I have said this out loud in this thread but the only Covid19 conspiracy theory that makes sense to me is the elimination of paper cash so governments or higher ups can track every currency transaction electronically.
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5th June 2021, 09:10 | #1350 |
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Oh man, I was going to post a timely post about a country and an anniversary, and how information is hidden, but then I wondered how deep the tentacles of a certain currency named splinter group go...
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7th June 2021, 15:31 | #1351 |
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From the way the vaccine roll out is going, I can see why there's a belief that covid19 is here to stay. Rich countries are going to enjoy a temporary reprieve, while the majority of the world population remains a Petri dish for the virus to evolve in.
Probably give it 50/50 whether or not I get the virus at this point.
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18th June 2021, 14:06 | #1353 |
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https://twitter.com/martybent/status...178524169?s=21
Historians will look back on this video as the spark that started a civil war in every nation.
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18th June 2021, 14:14 | #1354 |
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If anyone was going to spark a global civil war, it would be James Corden.
That reminds me, Superintelligence is an alright movie. It's silly and irreverent, standard Melissa McCarthy fare. But about as sensible as any film about a transcendent intelligence could be. James Corden is the AI in the movie, hence the tangent.
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Helen Clark slams WHO for opposing China travel bans, jury out on lab leak
I certainly think that the WHO should have been free to recommend a travel ban. But Helen reveals the Realpolitik: Quote:
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21st June 2021, 18:29 | #1357 |
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Bolsonaro (sp?) is a freaking worse lunatic than the Tangelo man.
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So. Lockdown in Victoria - I was well away from areas of interest & kept generally isolated.
Escaped to Wellington. A fortnight after I arrive it's now Level 2 in Welly... It's not me spreading it, I swear!
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Its actually nice that I think this is the first time another area of the country is at a higher level than Auckland.
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