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3rd June 2020, 11:30 | #801 |
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China delayed releasing coronavirus info, frustrating WHO
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3rd June 2020, 12:40 | #802 |
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It's not like they're being honest about the numbers.
"Did he say zero deaths? It's really 1300. " "Did that other source say 1300? He meant zero."
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3rd June 2020, 13:11 | #803 |
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Why are we still in Level 2 if the governments excuse for letting the protest go on was "there's no community transmission so it's fine"
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3rd June 2020, 14:16 | #804 |
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Was that the government's excuse? I thought their excuse was that breaking up the protest or not was an operational decision for Police.
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3rd June 2020, 16:43 | #806 |
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Because we could be wrong and the consequences of being wrong may result in a volume of people dying?
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3rd June 2020, 17:05 | #807 |
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So, the media certainly love to portray things in an oversimplified manner that suits easy consumption by the public I guess. I think the police recognised that it would have been a politically catastrophic move to try and stop the protest. Emotions were running hot, and in particular running hot against the institution of law enforcement. Police made the right call.
None of that means that those protesters made the right call to gather the way they did. There are other ways we could have expressed solidarity without risking any spread of COVID. There is such a thing as asymptomatic transmission, and the government has been listening to, and setting its recommendations by, the scientific and medical recommendations. That is the right thing for the government to do. The fact that people have failed to comply with the recommendations government has been making does not magically mean that the government has lost authority or that those recommendations are all of a sudden no longer correct. It will probably be another 5 days at minimum before we will know whether the protest gathering caused any problems, and it might be longer than that, if there were asymptomatic protesters present. |
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I'm not challenging your point, but I think it's important to recognise people are doing the best they can. Those with the most power love it when we focus on the responsibilities of those with the least.
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3rd June 2020, 17:43 | #809 |
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I don't think we have a disagreement Lightspeed. When I say that the protesters might not have made the right call to gather as they did, I'm talking in the context of COVID. Gathering, as they did, if you keep stamping out COVID as the main goal, was probably the wrong call.
In terms of the other very strong reasons that they had to gather and protest, I find it regrettable that it took place in the context of COVID, but the protest was completely understandable, and expressions of solidarity with the American protests are clearly of great importance right now. |
3rd June 2020, 17:55 | #810 |
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Yeah, I hear that. What I'm saying is that the focusing on who did what, right or wrong in this very moment is a great way of deflecting from focusing on the right and wrong in the bigger picture.
Crises don't occur according to a timetable. Human responses originate in biochemistry, not some kind of logical flowchart.
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3rd June 2020, 18:21 | #811 |
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Agree. Enough trouble staying focussed on anything as it is, given modern attention spans and the way we drown in information (and misinformation) overload.
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5th June 2020, 11:25 | #812 |
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HCQ BAD, ORANGE MAN BAD
Surgisphere: governments and WHO changed Covid-19 policy based on suspect data from tiny US company https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oxychloroquine Surgisphere, whose employees appear to include a sci-fi writer and adult content model, provided database behind Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine hydroxychloroquine studies up next, ZINC BAD, ORANGE MAN BAD |
5th June 2020, 12:10 | #813 |
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17th June 2020, 08:11 | #814 |
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So, no Covid test after arriving into NZ from the UK?!??
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17th June 2020, 09:38 | #815 | |
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17th June 2020, 10:32 | #816 |
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there is no more vivid exemplar of NZ white government racism than "a travel bubble with Pacific Island nations is out of the question because safety, but of course people can fly in from the UK and wander the country without testing"
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17th June 2020, 11:48 | #817 |
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^ It's more kiwis travel to the islands and spend money & that's not reciprocal. We only lose out in that bubble.
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17th June 2020, 22:13 | #818 | |
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17th June 2020, 22:20 | #819 |
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I would love to see numbers.
So 2 were let go early, but told to get a test as soon as they get to Wellington. But how many people are in isolation (or have been). How many compassionate exemptions have been granted or denied. I am a little more sympathetic (I guess the political bias I have helps). Yes, people certainly screwed up, yes I think the 2 woman may not have been entirely truthful - even after the positive test. They either did not inform health officials what happened, or it did not get up the chain of command quick enough. But its a bit of a stretch listening to people still comment about how the whole government is incompetent and they should all go. I guess they don't realise how bad it could have been here, and the gov actually did a pretty good job. Except Clark. He should definitely be dropped. even if Adern doesn't want to, she should drop him now, and then during the next term she can raise him back up if she wants. |
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17th June 2020, 22:42 | #821 |
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Is there a name for the phenomenon where a serious accident or disaster is usually the result of a multitude of failings?
Take any accident report. It's never one small thing that failed rather it's often the result of a breakdown at multiple stages where any one of them could have prevent the end result. That's exactly what has happened here and the crime is that this couple slipped through so many potential safety nets.
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17th June 2020, 22:45 | #822 |
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18th June 2020, 04:17 | #826 |
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Hmm. Given that many Aussie States are saying the state borders are staying closed, and there's talk of overseas flights not resuming until next year, I'm not holding my breath about a trans Tasman travel corridor being opened any time soon.
Is this view selfish? Yes. But I want to see my family, can't exactly have a hug over a Zoom call.
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18th June 2020, 11:25 | #828 |
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way more than just those two.
"An avalanche of incompetence" https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulleti...antine-system/ |
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18th June 2020, 13:02 | #831 | |
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1 - Half of our pre covid visitor arrivals are from Aussie. 2 - How many of them are tourists, and will actually do the touristy things that people want, and how many are family that come over for a weekend? I just believe that even if the borders open up, there is a big push in Oz to travel locally. Same as is here, travel local, buy local. |
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But I agree about lying about their health condition. They have come from the UK, they have been living with the cluster fuck from over there and the surrounding countries. Driving the wrong way, use your fucking phone/gps. Its not that fucking hard. Same about not stopping. Fairly certain we will find out more, I guess it will then depend on whether they didn't tell the MoH or the person they told decided not to raise it up the chain. |
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18th June 2020, 15:37 | #834 | |
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If all traveling involves 14 day isolation then that's going to be a barrier for most people I suppose. We could target mega-rich to come over for a few months to get away from the chaos.
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18th June 2020, 16:15 | #835 |
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but the most stunning example of bad judgement in this debacle was Woodhouse hanging onto the information that they'd initially gone the wrong way and met someone to get them back on track, to engage in a fucking "gotcha" moment.
Woodhouse claiming his job is to hold the govt accountable is disingenuous, his job is to serve the people. You can still hold the govt to account whilst making sure that the relevant information was in the hands of those that needed it as a priority. Party before people politicizing of this nature fucking disgusts me. |
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18th June 2020, 16:38 | #837 |
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Holy fucking shit, some people need to be fucking fired. Like, your kid is in quarantine and having a birthday? Tough fucking shit, it's quarantine, cry me a river.
You know someone who is dying and you're here to see them, but you're in quarantine? I don't give a fuck, stay in fucking quarantine you fucks. We just spent billions of dollars to eliminate that fucking disease and keep our vulnerable people safe, the fact that you know someone who is dying doesn't entitle you to travel through our safe society spreading your UK fucking disease. Sorry, but this just makes me angry. Yes, give quarantine to the army to manage, fully support this decision. No fucking exceptions, enfoced with guns. Thanks. |
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Some fucker went to the courts to test the government strict no exemptions and won. Which I believe is why they have started to make exemptions. |
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18th June 2020, 17:32 | #839 | |
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18th June 2020, 17:49 | #840 |
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C'mon sid, you're smarter than that. That's the shitty narrative they want you to be angry about. Even on red radio Bloomfield says the ministry reconnected with them "tuesday evening" and "they did not deem it material because it was a very fleeting interaction".
Woodhouse said he found out "late Tuesday" and wanted to verify it (as you'd want to in these ridiculous times *cough*). so.. yeah.. Onto the next BS Bishop narative! https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...els-bloomfield I thought for sure she'd be well into her 2nd term before the sham that is our border control and quarantine was exposed. We're just lucky more of those coming in haven't been cunts. Cause they easily could have been. Kudos to them. |