election 2008

Sp0nge · 4th September 2008, 20:27

...might as well get this started since we'll be having an election within the next 3 months.

i notice on todays poll that National is only 6.5% ahead of labour.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4681153a6160.html

on one hand that poll is surprising:
labour has had 3 terms, and its only natural for people to want some change.

on the other hand, its not surprising at all:
they are running a negative campaign once again.
their billboards are full of negative language instead of focusing on positives....
plus the nats are attacking winnie and helen's state of mind, etc.

will they ever learn?

Wally Simmonds · 4th September 2008, 20:39

That politics for you.

I still have no idea who I'm going to vote for. Silly me to think that the mainstream media were actually going to inform people on what key policy points are between the parties!

p-b · 4th September 2008, 20:42

One assumes that the parties actually HAVE key policy points.

blynk · 4th September 2008, 20:57

Should really be the Nats to lose.
Can't say I have seen any negative ads from Labour. Can't say I have seen any.
Like I said elsewhere. It would be nice to have a decent third party.

cEvin · 4th September 2008, 21:45

its going to be quite close, but labour/greens/nzf is going to be really hard to beat without a solid 40%+ majority for national imo.

Sp0nge · 4th September 2008, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally Simmonds

Silly me to think that the mainstream media were actually going to inform people on what key policy points are between the parties!

a few days ago i came across a new website that makes it easier to compare policies between the different parties.
http://www.policy.net.nz/about.shtml

it has potential, but i dont think its complete because it only uses a party's official site to get their policies, but most party websites suck in this area.

eg under tax policy it has nothing for Labour, but Labour's tax policy was announced on this years budget http://beehive.govt.nz/release/tax+c...kers+1+october

fixed_truth · 4th September 2008, 22:14

last election the green party's total percentage of expat votes (11.05%) were twice as much as their total vote percentage (5.30%) - so I guess there really is a brain drain

Saladin · 4th September 2008, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by cEvin

its going to be quite close, but labour/greens/nzf is going to be really hard to beat without a solid 40%+ majority for national imo.

NZF refused to work with the greens last election though.

erentz · 4th September 2008, 23:11

Has National declared just what state assets it will sell or public services it will privatise yet?

Re: Greens/Stategic voting. The Maori party should be telling its voters to give them their electorate vote (i.e. get all 7 electorates), but their party vote to a (sorta-)natural(-ish) ally, say the Greens. But AFAIK they don't do this. Bugs me.

A Corpse · 4th September 2008, 23:16

If Winston lives through this and Labour refuses to rule out partnering with them again then I'll vote National (party vote at least).

It'll be worth it to get Winston out of politics. He's such a fucking slimebag...

caffiend · 4th September 2008, 23:22

I'm voting for the New World Order Party.

They haven't published a manifest yet... and they're yet to be approved. But something tells me the lols would be worthwhile.

Edit: check out their media/communication skillz: http://www.elections.org.nz/files/New_World_Order.pdf

Ezekiel 25:17 · 4th September 2008, 23:30

By the power of grayskull, surely Skeletor cannot win again!

caffiend · 4th September 2008, 23:50

More NWlOls: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...0530102&pnum=0

Quote:

...Nathan Couper, 25, of Hamilton, who has gathered the required 500 names to register a party called the "New World Order", but can't afford $1000 to actually put up a party list.

"We got our policies off the Jehovah's Witnesses," he said.

I cannot wait to see Nathan's 1 minute TV spot.

Ab · 5th September 2008, 00:42

The only NZ politician who has impressed me lately is Rodney Hide.

National's first billboard campaign is teh suck. Whoever came up with that should be sacked. Aside from Key's "no deal with Winston" I've haven't seen much to recommend the guy as a leader.

Winston First? Hopefully someone will drive a stake through that parasite's heart and the nation will be rid of him.

Labour? Sorry guys, you've buttfucked the country. The EFA, the politicisation of the police and the public service, the crippling of the armed forces, the list goes on and on. Please for the love of jebus let these incompetent middle-class university socialists with their 1970s attitudes get shown the door.

And the Greens? Shit, is there something they haven't tried to ban yet? Humour? Nitrogen?

cEvin · 5th September 2008, 10:09

so what are you suggesting? cause act certainly won't be the next gov :p

JP · 5th September 2008, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Labour? Sorry guys, you've buttfucked the country. The EFA, the politicisation of the police and the public service, the crippling of the armed forces, the list goes on and on. Please for the love of jebus let these incompetent middle-class university socialists with their 1970s attitudes get shown the door.

I think this idea is losing steam and i'm happy. Because basically none of that has crippled the country at all. It's like the people who want to get 'tough on crime' because of spiraling crime rates. Except they're down not up. It's generally all from the same idiots.

Selling off public assets, that's the kind of shit that fucks up a country. While i'm not all that happy with Labour, i'm not really anywhere near unhappy enough to be duped into voting for National. They're simply not better at all. They're worse. And change for changes sake, when they can do so much long term damage is not a viable choice.

National still have the edge, but lets see how long that lasts the more people get to know them and their policies.

Ab · 5th September 2008, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by cEvin

so what are you suggesting? cause act certainly won't be the next gov

I know, it doesn't leave me with many options :/

Lightspeed · 5th September 2008, 13:25

You could move to Australia... oh, wait.

Hory · 5th September 2008, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

National's first billboard campaign is teh suck. Whoever came up with that should be sacked.

He's profiled in a Herald media column today

Quote:

He is is an admirer of the individualist writer Ayn Rand.
His loves include his children "and me".
He advises prospective clients to read Rand's The Virtue of Selfishness "and you'll love Me too".

Quite an ego for someone so obviously incompetent at his job.

Lightspeed · 5th September 2008, 13:31

Although given the context, you're probably right about the guy's ego, however loving yourself isn't necessarily egotistical. Some believe that you should love others as yourself. So if you don't love yourself, how can you love others?

chiquelet · 5th September 2008, 13:33

I've voted left-wing for my last 3 elections, but this year I'm waiting for parties to release their policies before making any decisions. The social policies have always been an important issue for me previously. I voted for Labour based on the WFF package, even though at that time we didn't have kids and weren't planning on them immediately. But anyway, I'll still wait for the policies to be released before making my decision.

Saladin · 5th September 2008, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hory

He's profiled in a Herald media column today

Quite an ego for someone so obviously incompetent at his job.

Oh dear, I can't hear Ayn Rand without thinking of those awful Terry Goodkind books.

xor · 5th September 2008, 14:10

What are nationals policies?
Bill English got fucken owned about getting rid of kiwibank when the company line was that they were keeping it. POWNED

I don't see any reason to not vote labour. National haven't said anything that would entice me and they haven't exactly got any integrity. They have ousted one failed Politician (Brash) and they have another failed leader who will sit on the front benches (English).

Rodney Hide is cool though, I like his jacket.

Spink · 5th September 2008, 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hory

He's profiled in a Herald media column today

Quite an ego for someone so obviously incompetent at his job.

Uh the capitalised Me is referring to the fact that you will love yourself too. Not him.

Hory · 5th September 2008, 15:25

ego was probably the wrong word to use but I was referring more to his Ayn Rand fetish and the self-interest book.

Spink · 5th September 2008, 15:31

Ego would also not really be a criticism to an objectivist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_egoism

Hory · 5th September 2008, 15:48

That guy's not an objectivist, he's just a really crap advertising exec trying to justify his parasitic existence.

Ab · 5th September 2008, 16:35

Ab · 5th September 2008, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

You could move to Australia... oh, wait.

Hey, unlike the last I'm actually eligible to vote in this election.

Mickey · 5th September 2008, 16:43

If Labour get in again we are off over the ditch. Quite sick of being taxed to hell and not getting anything for it. We don't qualify for WFF etc.

caffiend · 5th September 2008, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Hey, unlike the last I'm actually eligible to vote in this election.

The way you've been coming across as actively disassociating yourself from NZ lately, I'm not so sure you should be.

adonis · 5th September 2008, 17:30

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2940

GOGO gadget grammar nazi's

Hory · 5th September 2008, 17:40

The Green Party billboards are not bad. I like a black background.

Sp0nge · 5th September 2008, 18:27

those are very powerful billboards by the greens.

meanwhile,
looks like the fastest way to get to see national party policy is not by official means, but by one of the countless leaks:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/576182/2059434

Draco T Bastard · 5th September 2008, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey

If Labour get in again we are off over the ditch.

Bye

I don't see any chance that there will be a National led government. They're losing support and the other two parties that would go in coalition with them don't have enough between them to prop up a National led government.

Ab · 5th September 2008, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by adonis

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2940

GOGO gadget grammar nazi's

Sweet zombie jesus that's fucking terrible.

DEAR NATIONAL, PLEASE SHOOT YOUR ADVERTISING PEOPLE, KTHXBYE

Mickey · 5th September 2008, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draco T Bastard

Bye

I don't see any chance that there will be a National led government. They're losing support and the other two parties that would go in coalition with them don't have enough between them to prop up a National led government.

Yeah youre not wrong. Sadly. We have already started off loading crap and looking at schools, locations etc.

Ritalin · 5th September 2008, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

[IMG]
Sweet zombie jesus that's fucking terrible.

DEAR NATIONAL, PLEASE SHOOT YOUR ADVERTISING PEOPLE, KTHXBYE

Totally agree.
The billboard with the planes makes me think of WWII Air raids, and what's the connection between aeroplanes and tax cuts? and loved ones? Are they saying your loved ones are leaving the country to get away from tax cuts?

The big white crosses on the billboard above remind me of the eyes on a cartoon dead person. Probably not the conotation they were aiming for on a billboard for their public health policy... :P

Ab · 5th September 2008, 20:07

I saw rows of headstones at a military cemetery.

Jonas Undrawing · 5th September 2008, 20:09

hah! yep.

maybe the advertising brainstormers are on a bit of a WWII buzz.

4th September 2008, 23:16	#10
A Corpse talkative lurker	If Winston lives through this and Labour refuses to rule out partnering with them again then I'll vote National (party vote at least). It'll be worth it to get Winston out of politics. He's such a fucking slimebag... __________________ Broke my addiction! Bye bye Eve, hello Minecraft. Wait... >_<

5th September 2008, 16:35	#28
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	^^^

4th September 2008, 20:27	#1
Sp0nge	election 2008 ...might as well get this started since we'll be having an election within the next 3 months. i notice on todays poll that National is only 6.5% ahead of labour. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4681153a6160.html on one hand that poll is surprising: labour has had 3 terms, and its only natural for people to want some change. on the other hand, its not surprising at all: they are running a negative campaign once again. their billboards are full of negative language instead of focusing on positives.... plus the nats are attacking winnie and helen's state of mind, etc. will they ever learn? __________________ '[]' []-[] [] []\[] []<

4th September 2008, 20:39	#2
Wally Simmonds	That politics for you. I still have no idea who I'm going to vote for. Silly me to think that the mainstream media were actually going to inform people on what key policy points are between the parties!

4th September 2008, 20:42	#3
p-b	One assumes that the parties actually HAVE key policy points.

4th September 2008, 20:57	#4
blynk	Should really be the Nats to lose. Can't say I have seen any negative ads from Labour. Can't say I have seen any. Like I said elsewhere. It would be nice to have a decent third party.

4th September 2008, 21:45	#5
cEvin Love In Vein	its going to be quite close, but labour/greens/nzf is going to be really hard to beat without a solid 40%+ majority for national imo.

4th September 2008, 22:14	#7
fixed_truth	last election the green party's total percentage of expat votes (11.05%) were twice as much as their total vote percentage (5.30%) - so I guess there really is a brain drain

4th September 2008, 23:11	#9
erentz	Has National declared just what state assets it will sell or public services it will privatise yet? Re: Greens/Stategic voting. The Maori party should be telling its voters to give them their electorate vote (i.e. get all 7 electorates), but their party vote to a (sorta-)natural(-ish) ally, say the Greens. But AFAIK they don't do this. Bugs me.

4th September 2008, 23:22	#11
caffiend	I'm voting for the New World Order Party. They haven't published a manifest yet... and they're yet to be approved. But something tells me the lols would be worthwhile. Edit: check out their media/communication skillz: http://www.elections.org.nz/files/New_World_Order.pdf __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy these days? Last edited by caffiend : 4th September 2008 at 23:24.

4th September 2008, 23:30	#12
Ezekiel 25:17	By the power of grayskull, surely Skeletor cannot win again!

5th September 2008, 00:42	#14
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	The only NZ politician who has impressed me lately is Rodney Hide. National's first billboard campaign is teh suck. Whoever came up with that should be sacked. Aside from Key's "no deal with Winston" I've haven't seen much to recommend the guy as a leader. Winston First? Hopefully someone will drive a stake through that parasite's heart and the nation will be rid of him. Labour? Sorry guys, you've buttfucked the country. The EFA, the politicisation of the police and the public service, the crippling of the armed forces, the list goes on and on. Please for the love of jebus let these incompetent middle-class university socialists with their 1970s attitudes get shown the door. And the Greens? Shit, is there something they haven't tried to ban yet? Humour? Nitrogen?

5th September 2008, 10:09	#15
cEvin Love In Vein	so what are you suggesting? cause act certainly won't be the next gov :p

5th September 2008, 13:25	#18
Lightspeed	You could move to Australia... oh, wait. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

5th September 2008, 13:31	#20
Lightspeed	Although given the context, you're probably right about the guy's ego, however loving yourself isn't necessarily egotistical. Some believe that you should love others as yourself. So if you don't love yourself, how can you love others? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

5th September 2008, 13:33	#21
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	I've voted left-wing for my last 3 elections, but this year I'm waiting for parties to release their policies before making any decisions. The social policies have always been an important issue for me previously. I voted for Labour based on the WFF package, even though at that time we didn't have kids and weren't planning on them immediately. But anyway, I'll still wait for the policies to be released before making my decision.

5th September 2008, 14:10	#23
xor	What are nationals policies? Bill English got fucken owned about getting rid of kiwibank when the company line was that they were keeping it. POWNED I don't see any reason to not vote labour. National haven't said anything that would entice me and they haven't exactly got any integrity. They have ousted one failed Politician (Brash) and they have another failed leader who will sit on the front benches (English). Rodney Hide is cool though, I like his jacket.

5th September 2008, 15:25	#25
Hory	ego was probably the wrong word to use but I was referring more to his Ayn Rand fetish and the self-interest book.

5th September 2008, 15:31	#26
Spink	Ego would also not really be a criticism to an objectivist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_egoism __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

5th September 2008, 15:48	#27
Hory	That guy's not an objectivist, he's just a really crap advertising exec trying to justify his parasitic existence.

5th September 2008, 16:43	#30
Mickey	If Labour get in again we are off over the ditch. Quite sick of being taxed to hell and not getting anything for it. We don't qualify for WFF etc.

5th September 2008, 17:30	#32
adonis	http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=2940 GOGO gadget grammar nazi's

5th September 2008, 17:40	#33
Hory	The Green Party billboards are not bad. I like a black background.

5th September 2008, 18:27	#34
Sp0nge	those are very powerful billboards by the greens. meanwhile, looks like the fastest way to get to see national party policy is not by official means, but by one of the countless leaks: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/576182/2059434 __________________ '[]' []-[] [] []\[] []<

5th September 2008, 20:07	#39
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I saw rows of headstones at a military cemetery.

5th September 2008, 20:09	#40
Jonas Undrawing	hah! yep. maybe the advertising brainstormers are on a bit of a WWII buzz. Last edited by Jonas Undrawing : 5th September 2008 at 20:10.