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Old 26th February 2016, 17:09     #1
crocos
 
Apple vs FBI demand to unlock iPhone

So you've all heard this by now. However it's pretty clear this isn't a tech issue, it's a political issue as the FBI actually have the back-ups from iCloud providing all the info they actually need and Apple have also provided multiple alternatives.

Anyway, here's Apple's filing to oppose the Order around that iPhone - personally I found it an interesting read, if a little dry at points.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...xus-IS300.html
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Old 26th February 2016, 18:05     #2
Ab
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just this one iPhone honest
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Old 26th February 2016, 22:15     #3
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Well, it would be hard to Trump that.
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Old 2nd March 2016, 22:25     #4
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I'm curious to know what someone like Samsung would have done..
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Old 3rd March 2016, 10:56     #5
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I just assume that unless a phone company or telco has come out with a clear unequivocal statement of 100% support for Apple and its stand, that company has already rolled over and is backdoored up and round to the appendix.
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Old 16th March 2016, 15:23     #6
Ab
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But wait, it gets weirder.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/03...ats-seize-ios/
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Old 16th March 2016, 16:32     #7
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“If it was technologically possible to make an impenetrable device where there’s no door at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer? How do we disrupt a terrorist plot? How do we even do a simple thing like tax enforcement?” Obama posed.
Gee I dunno, how did you catch crims before they had smartphones? Bit of old fashioned legwork?

Tax enforcement. Lol.
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Old 16th March 2016, 19:47     #8
crocos
 
I'll lock the rascal up
/Sheriff Foghorn Leghorn
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Old 17th March 2016, 10:51     #9
Cyberbob
 
Help your uncle out with his computer just this once, and suddenly every family member wants you to help every weekend, because you did it that once for your uncle.
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Old 17th March 2016, 11:22     #10
Ab
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The FBI is trying to achieve a legal precedent that companies (people?) can be legally compelled to do things just because the government orders it. This goes way beyond the contents of one iPhone.
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Old 17th March 2016, 11:32     #11
Deadmeat
 
That sounds like terrorist talk to me. Don't you understand that living in a free society involves allowing the government to forensically examine every aspect of your life and doing exactly what they say?
I bet you're secretly Canadian or French.
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Old 17th March 2016, 14:36     #12
Spoon1
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You wait, if Murka gets it's way and Apple bends over, Mr Bumbuddy Key will suddenly be passing laws under urgency to get the same rights in NZ.

For once I am firmly on Apple's side - go Apple go!
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Old 17th March 2016, 14:41     #13
Ab
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I wonder what would happen if the judge found in favour of the FBI. Would Apple bend over? shut the doors and close up shop? relocate to Ireland?
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Old 17th March 2016, 18:06     #14
Spoon1
Mmm... Sacrilicious
 
Who knows. I suspect given their engineers are mostly in the US (I believe) that they'd bend over.

But they do have more money than God so anything is possible.
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Old 18th March 2016, 14:20     #15
Deadmeat
 
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I wonder what would happen if the judge found in favour of the FBI. Would Apple bend over? shut the doors and close up shop? relocate to Ireland?
They'd go to the supreme court.
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Old 18th March 2016, 16:23     #16
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They'd go to the supreme court.
And failing that they'd use their second amendment rights to form a militia and defend themselves against the tyrannical government. Then there would be a comic book and movie franchise based on the events which would make them billions, it would be called: Apple America: Civil War

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Old 22nd March 2016, 15:51     #17
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The FBI just filed a motion to delay Tuesday’s hearing in the San Bernardino iPhone case, claiming that an “outside party” may be able to help it break into the phone without Apple’s help. The motion comes after weeks of escalation tension in the case with Apple, the FBI, and other stakeholders arguing the case in public before it reached courts.

“As the FBI continued to conduct its own research, and as a result of the worldwide publicity and attention on this case, others outside the US government have continued to contact the US government offering avenues of possible research,” the filing states.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/21/11...le-trial-delay


As a nonlawyer, this reads to me like "The FBI had it explained to them in small words that were about to lose, and so they've decided to announce that a mysterious benefactor is going to unlock the phone for them, and they don't need Apple's help after all".
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Old 22nd March 2016, 17:05     #18
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Rolling eyes

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Originally Posted by Ab




http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/21/11...le-trial-delay


As a nonlawyer, this reads to me like "The FBI had it explained to them in small words that were about to lose, and so they've decided to announce that a mysterious benefactor is going to unlock the phone for them, and they don't need Apple's help after all".
Wrong....clearly John McAfee is the mysterious benefactor....

http://www.techinsider.io/john-mcafe...-iphone-2016-3
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Old 22nd March 2016, 17:09     #19
Ab
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COCAINE IS A HELLUVA DRUG
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Old 22nd March 2016, 18:03     #20
BoyWonder
 
Would be awesome if John McAfee got hold of the phone and just blasted it with a shotgun. "The files are INSIDE the phone".
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Old 23rd March 2016, 13:58     #21
Deadmeat
 
Interesting read on what method the FBI is trying to use to access the phone
http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5966
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Old 23rd March 2016, 14:00     #22
Cyberbob
 
"Trying"?
There's no way that they don't already have everything on that particular phone.

This is about precedent.
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Old 23rd March 2016, 14:26     #23
Deadmeat
 
Not disagreeing with you about precedent, but if you think they already have the data then what is the reason they've delayed the hearing? To make it look like they're pursuing all leads in 'good faith?
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Old 29th March 2016, 10:57     #24
Ab
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http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/28/11...san-bernardino

The FBI says it can now get into the phone in question and doesn't require Apple to do anything.

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Old 1st April 2016, 14:26     #25
Ab
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JUST THIS ONE IPHONE HONEST

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/55b45...ns-murder-case

Quote:
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — The FBI agreed Wednesday to help an Arkansas prosecutor unlock an iPhone and iPod belonging to two teenagers accused of killing a couple, just days after the federal agency announced it had gained access to an iPhone linked to the gunman in a mass shooting in California.

Faulkner County Prosecuting Attorney Cody Hiland said the FBI agreed to the request from his office and the Conway Police Department Wednesday afternoon. A judge on Tuesday agreed to postpone the trial of 18-year-old Hunter Drexler so prosecutors could ask the FBI for help. Drexler's trial was moved from next week to June 27.
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Old 1st April 2016, 14:43     #26
pxpx
 
Nek minnit they will be unlocking phones remotely when you drive past a traffic stop.

"Sir am I being detained? Wait, why am I friends with the Texas State Police department on Facebook now?"

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