The Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Nich]

http://www.zzwave.com/plaboard/posts/3971455.shtml
here's a destroyed HIMAR. Maybe next time verify before repeating whatever your pro-Ukranazi bots spew out.

[_indigo1]

Wow that is some major contortion right there.
"Don't listen to your bots, verify"

Proceeds to "verify" with random forum post on zzwave.com

[Nich]

the goalpost is set at 0 HIMARS destroyed. Are we moving the goalpost?

Let's have some fun:
UPA Bandera Monument Protest - Parma, OH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXS4Uh-rsas

[Ajax]

What's even more stupid is that the photo he posted was sourced from Russian disinfo.

https://www.stopfake.org/en/photofak...-near-kharkiv/

The photographs circulated by Russian media for the last month really do show Ukrainian military equipment that was damaged during Russia’s military operations against Ukraine. However, the images do not show a HIMARS missile system, but rather an ordinary Oshkosh M1083A1P2 medium tactical vehicle military truck and an M777 howitzer.

[Nich]

another Poynter Institute fact-check zinger

https://ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter...le/stopfakeorg

Having trouble debunking crazies on the internets? Here, just show them this link and it'll shut them down!

[Ajax]

I understand critical thinking is difficult for you, but look at the front of an M1083A1P2 and the front of a HIMARS and compare the central bolt positioning.

Then kindly fuck off.

[Lightspeed]

This is my kind of propaganda:

https://v.redd.it/8ga8jnqohsz91

[DrTiTus]

Missile hits Poland. Not quite anywhere near the war zone of Ukraine.



That's not a "miscalculation" or a "slight error" - that's intentional fuckery. Just as talk of negotations were back on the table. Gotta wonder who's up to what.

[Lightspeed]

Biden ‘unlikely’ missile that hit Poland fired from Russia

[DrTiTus]

Myusli Ua - Вова Їбаш Їх Блaть

o/~ Slava Ukraini, Slava Natsiyi

Not to be confused with Slava Nazi

Just a war-themed tech house kinda track

Because while the power is on, you may as well make beats if you can't beats Russia

[Lightspeed]

Putin snubbed at CSTO summit

[Lightspeed]

Biden, Macron resolve to hold Russia accountable for atrocities, war crimes in Ukraine

[DrTiTus]

What does that even mean? Impose fines? Confiscate/steal property belonging to Russian citizens? They'll attack Russia as revenge? They'll impose [more] sanctions?

Will the USA be held to account for all its war crimes too, or is there one standard for Putin and no standards for the USA?

[MadMax]

Presumably it’ll be a debt.

[_indigo1]

WHAT ABOUT HILLARY

[DrTiTus]

I don't know, did she commit war crimes?

I guess my question is "should all countries that commit war crimes be held to account?" Then it is phrased in a way that doesn't trigger your automatic dismissal of the point.

I'm not saying Russia shouldn't be held to account for war crimes - I'm just saying that if war crimes are a thing, then ALL war crimes should have repercussions.

Obviously THESE war crimes are definitely worse, because Putin.

[Lightspeed]

It doesn't seem like Russia is any less deluded in the face of its setbacks:

Russia says the West must recognize its control over land its forces are losing before any Ukraine peace talks

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters that the US government's refusal to acknowledge "the new territories" as part of Russia "significantly complicates the search for mutual ground for discussions," Reuters reported.

If states can claim new territories by force, we're all vulnerable to losing what we have.

[Lightspeed]

Burning through ammo, Russia using 40-year-old rounds, U.S. official says

[Ab]

Some very kiwi moments in this story.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...hes-in-ukraine

[DrTiTus]

The CIA is using a European NATO ally’s spy service to conduct a covert sabotage campaign inside Russia under the agency’s direction, according to former U.S. intelligence and military officials.

As linked to by zerohedge

"Indeed, the Russian government knows perfectly well who is sponsoring these sabotage strikes. Moreover, the intelligence community wants them to know. The only party left in the dark is the public at large, left unaware of the shadow war taking place behind the scenes," he wrote.

[MadMax]

Is that Tom Clancy or Lee Child?

Oh.

[Lightspeed]

India’s breaking all records for buying Russian oil, but who is the surprise buyer?

India has stepped up its buying of Russian crude oil in January from already record levels of the previous month. And, astonishingly, the United States has emerged as the biggest buyer for the refined products, despite Washington’s entreaties to the rest of the world not to buy Russian fuel.

[Lightspeed]

Wintershall’s empty bank accounts expose plight of western companies still in Russia

Wintershall Dea chief executive Mario Mehren spent much of last year defending its continued presence in Russia, where the BASF subsidiary was one of the last western companies still pumping oil and gas in the wake of Vladimir Putin’s assault on Ukraine.

But he revealed last week that the company was finally leaving, saying Moscow-owned Gazprom had taken control of the German company’s joint ventures in Siberia and emptied their shared bank accounts.

Almost €2bn of Wintershall’s cash had vanished, Mehren told German newspaper Börsen-Zeitung, accusing Gazprom of having “cleared” the accounts of its three shared gas and oil extraction businesses. Gazprom did not respond to a request for comment.

[Lightspeed]

Germany to send Leopard tanks to Kyiv, allow others to do so

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has decided to send Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine and allow other countries such as Poland to do so while the United States may supply Abrams tanks, two sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

Probably be awhile before they'll see the field, with all the training and maintenance supplies that need to be sorted out.

[Lightspeed]

Missing New Zealand aid worker Andrew Bagshaw's body found in Ukraine, parents say

[Ajax]

It's a good step forward that Western countries are finally sending some modern tanks. Maintaining multiple different systems is going to be a huge challenge though - Leopard 2s, Challenger 2s, and Abrams are all completely different systems needing specialised crew and engineers. Abrams in particular have a complicated jet engine and are enormous gas guzzlers, requiring fleets of fuel trucks following behind them.

What would be a real game-changer is sending some modern fighters and ground attack aircraft. Without air superiority it's going to be hard to win.

[Cyberbob]

Yep, I didn't think I'd see MBT's being used in 2023 given how easily aircraft can take them out. I understand that you can't just jump cockpits and expect Ukraine pilots to be immediately combat ready, but flick them an F-16 or two and see Russian morale drop even further. But that's me as an armchair general.

[BoyWonder]

"Tanksgiving Day"

[Lightspeed]

A big advantage Ukraine has that I assume is being taken advantage of is logistics. And it's not something Russia can mitigate or match.

They're only going to get more effective at getting equipment and expertise where it needs to be as Western militaries help Ukraine institute contemporary practices.

There's no way Russia will pull itself into shape. That's Putin's paradox, he can't empower Russian institutions without putting his own power base at risk.

[Lightspeed]

Russia is draining a massive Ukrainian reservoir, endangering a nuclear plant

[Lightspeed]

Olympics row deepens as 35 countries demand ban for Russia and Belarus

The Olympics is ageing out as an institution. Nationalistic dick-swinging made sense 100 years ago, but now exceptionalism is kinda cringe.

We've got YouTube now, people know the history of any powerful country comes off the back of annihilation and domination.

[Ab]

Is there an actual word for “execution by gravity” yet?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-ru...rom-16th-floor

[Cyberbob]

"Top Russian Military Official Dead After Fall From 16th Floor"

I think you'll find it's actually "Top Russian Military Official Dead Before Fall From 16th Floor"

[DrTiTus]

Originally Posted by Ab

Is there an actual word for “execution by gravity” yet?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-ru...rom-16th-floor

I always knew it as "defenestration"

[Cyberbob]

If I was a Top Russian Military Official, I'd be having all my meetings on the ground floor of any building I'm in.

[Lightspeed]

ICC judges issue arrest warrant for Putin over war crimes in Ukraine

[StN]

Originally Posted by Ab

Some very kiwi moments in this story.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...hes-in-ukraine

Bugger

[Lightspeed]

[crocos]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

ICC judges issue arrest warrant for Putin over war crimes in Ukraine

As meaningless as issuing one for the US president. Even in the unlikely event he was to go somewhere where this could possibly be executed, if he goes flying the flag of diplomatic relations or negotiation, they can't touch him. And that's not even considering the veritable army surrounding him at any moment outside the Kremlin (let alone when overseas).

[BoyWonder]

Originally Posted by crocos

As meaningless as issuing one for the US president. Even in the unlikely event he was to go somewhere where this could possibly be executed, if he goes flying the flag of diplomatic relations or negotiation, they can't touch him. And that's not even considering the veritable army surrounding him at any moment outside the Kremlin (let alone when overseas).

What do you mean "outside the Kremlin". Only his body doubles appear in public.