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doppelgänger of someone · 24th March 2011, 01:19

NZ has dairy industry as well, dairy being commodities. Fonterra is 'best in the world' in the dairy sector.

IMO the optimists are not incorrect in saying that the demands from Asia will keep the economy going. But the debt level in Aus/NZ is so high because of the high house price. If Asian economies catch a cold for whatever reason and cut their spendings, us downstream feeding on their scraps in boom time will be the first major victims (luxuries like overseas travel probably will be the first to go, commodities demand may be firmer).

The economy may not be actually or perceived to be strong enough to service the debt piled up in boom time. Either way can trigger a downward spiral-of-death in Aus/NZ, like what happened in Ireland.

Bill English made the right noise about NZ not saving enough in the last budget (i.e. taking on too much debt). Then he ruined his economics credibility by announced the tax cuts.

Ab · 24th March 2011, 01:27

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that it's possible to grow grass and cows in places other than New Zealand.

doppelgänger of someone · 24th March 2011, 01:45

NZ meat, dairy etc. has this 'aura' of clean, green superiority over others and hence fetches a premium overseas. Hey as long as others are willing to pay, the farmers are happy to sell. Food price in general has been rising rapidly in recent years anyway.

Edit: e.g. the whole 'angus' beef certification arguably is just a marketing campaign to charge people a lot more for slightly better quality meat.

GRiM ReeFer · 24th March 2011, 09:12

we could sell salt to China.

Lightspeed · 25th March 2011, 02:02

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/politi...ll-becomes-law

It'd be nice to know what the law actually entails, or is that my folly for relying solely on online media?

A Corpse · 25th March 2011, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

It'll be interesting to see how difficult it actually is for iwi & hapu to prove customary title.

Apparently it involves holding your breath for 200 years.

Lightspeed · 1st April 2011, 15:50

"He said the trust had been working alongside Helen's family since her murder."

More like the trust swooped in early.

ZoSo · 1st April 2011, 16:18

http://www.3news.co.nz/Did-you-get-d...1/Default.aspx

Holy shit. Drop the April and just make it fools day for the Greens (again).

chubby · 4th April 2011, 18:58

not looking good for pretty much all of nationals 'economic policy' smirk this week.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10716931

Ab · 4th April 2011, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by chubby

not looking good for pretty much all of nationals 'economic policy' smirk this week.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10716931

Yep, sure looks like Labour fucked them good and proper and left someone else to deal with the shit. Nothing new there.

chubby · 4th April 2011, 20:48

aw.. y'never know.
john 'the peoples leader' may step in to give them a hand.
that'd be good,right?

or would it.8/

fixed_truth · 4th April 2011, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by chubby

not looking good for pretty much all of nationals 'economic policy' smirk this week.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10716931

Don't proponents of PPPs claim that an advantage of them is that risk is put onto the private sector? It will be interesting to see if Housing NZ is liable and how this will effect proposed future PPP's ie. contracts requiring the Govt. to top up investor revenue if things don't go to plan etc. Jump on the gravy train boys!

cyc · 5th April 2011, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Yep, sure looks like Labour fucked them good and proper and left someone else to deal with the shit. Nothing new there.

Haha. And this is yet another example of Chubby being a blind fucking idiot. If you take things literally, as Chubz always does, then the only viable conclusion is -- as you said -- Labour fucked those people over because the project was managed by Labour.

However, if one takes a more nuanced approach, allied with the knowledge of what people involved in leaky building litigation as claimants often do, a more benign picture (even for the useless fucks in Labour) will likely emerge. Housing NZ probably was involved with the development ONLY in the sense that it signed up to lease all those units/apartments on completion at X prices and guaranteed itself to meet those obligations, which in turn enabled the developer(s) to yell out "RENTAL GUARANTEE!" to fool idiots into paying over-inflated prices. Although no one can know this for a fact at this stage, it is unlikely that Housing NZ was involved in the design and building of the units/apartments. Only those involved in the design and building of residential housing owe the purchasers (and subsequent purchasers) a duty of care to ensure adequate workmanship.

So why have the owners sued Housing NZ? Simply put, people try to go after defendants who can pay and/or are perceived as less difficult. Local councils are insured by Riskpool, which in turn instruct Heaney & Co, which is well-known for bruising tactics and -- whatever I might think of them -- are certainly good at defending the councils. So if you act for the owners, you might advise them to try and bring the central government in as well and get some of the people at Crown Law who might be unfamiliar with leaky building cases into bit of a panic in the hope of some cheap gain. Or you might hope that there are lots of ignorant, stupid and even downright retarded people like Chubby who will jump on the bandwagon and place political pressure on the government to "do the right thing" or make a lot of noises and foolishly assign responsibility upon the present government. The latter might cause the government to settle or do something weak-kneed.

It's really as simple as that.

chubby · 5th April 2011, 21:30

yeah douch.
thats what i meant.

fixed_truth · 6th April 2011, 12:49

$1.8 million for a giant plastic waka you say?

Good investment or waste of tax-payer money?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...c-waka-slammed

Ab · 6th April 2011, 14:32

^^^ that's worthy of a facepalm right there

_Incubus_ · 6th April 2011, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

^^^ that's worthy of a facepalm right there

Chicken feed compared to the Labor tards in Australia giving $500 Million to Indonesia to build normal and islamic schools.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225947062350

It makes me angry that this is continuing after the QLD floods and the Labor govt has imposed a flood levy tax on everyone and secondly because this is not being used to apply pressure to make people smuggling a crime and not a business in Indonesia.

Fuck you Julia

Saladin · 6th April 2011, 15:17

Now I'm usually one to hate on the whole "but Labour did it too" defense that National trot out too much - but I'm not too sure how an inflatable waka pavilion is too different from a giant inflatable rugby ball pavilion, that Labour spent a million dollars on at the last world cup.

Ab · 6th April 2011, 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Incubus_

Chicken feed compared to the Labor tards in Australia giving $500 Million to Indonesia to build normal and islamic schools.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225947062350

It makes me angry that this is continuing after the QLD floods and the Labor govt has imposed a flood levy tax on everyone and secondly because this is not being used to apply pressure to make people smuggling a crime and not a business in Indonesia.

Fuck you Julia

Pretty sure that is a Howard program that Labor has just continued. And all things considered I think helping to inoculate a generation of Indonesian kids against jihad craziness isn't such a dumb idea.

GM · 6th April 2011, 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saladin

Now I'm usually one to hate on the whole "but Labour did it too" defense that National trot out too much - but I'm not too sure how an inflatable waka pavilion is too different from a giant inflatable rugby ball pavilion, that Labour spent a million dollars on at the last world cup.

...iirc that was criticised as well.

Isn't there a dance at the beginning of every world cup rugby match involving NZ that promotes Maori anyway?

_Incubus_ · 6th April 2011, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Pretty sure that is a Howard program that Labor has just continued. And all things considered I think helping to inoculate a generation of Indonesian kids against jihad craziness isn't such a dumb idea.

agreed, but I'd like to think they would have said we would love to continue giving you $100 million a year..if you make people smuggling a crime.

cyc · 6th April 2011, 16:48

Like making people smuggling a crime will make sod all difference.

pxpx · 6th April 2011, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

$1.8 million for a giant plastic waka you say?

Good investment or waste of tax-payer money?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...c-waka-slammed

Thanks MMP. Thanks.

xor · 6th April 2011, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

Thanks MMP. Thanks.

Even Pita Sharples thinks it's a shitcunt thing to build.

Golden Teapot · 6th April 2011, 20:23

I've no problem with the plastic canoe or its price. To me it seems like a fair enough thing to be doing. I'd hold the same view even if labour were doing it.

Lightspeed · 6th April 2011, 20:39

God damn, turns out we live in a world where culture has to be profitable. How terrible.

CCS · 6th April 2011, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by xor

Even Pita Sharples thinks it's a shitcunt thing to build.

You mean shitcunt in a good way... right?

mpx · 6th April 2011, 20:51

We're cutting resources left right and centre, we're thinking of taxing you to help in rebuilding CHCH and then we SURPRISE TWO MILLION BOUNCY CASTLE WAKA.

CCS · 6th April 2011, 21:03

mpx do you hate maoris?

Redneck · 6th April 2011, 21:13

Big money on a grand art project for a major event is fine - but a plastic waka does seem horribly tacky.

madmaxii · 6th April 2011, 21:36

I'm with Redneck on this one - tacky (as was the rugby ball).

We're better than that.

Lightspeed · 6th April 2011, 21:49

I'll hold my judgement till I see it.

Lightspeed · 6th April 2011, 21:56

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...ered-to-mueums

This made me wonder, does anyone still think NZ reducing its air-force capabilities was a bad idea?

StN · 6th April 2011, 22:16

When civilians took it upon themselves to chopper in supplies to quaketown, it was evident we were short of military pilots and craft to do the job. A strikeforce is one thing, but a presence and capability are another.

That said, the failed F-16 deal would have had the potential to put more Kiwis in the firing line when the Middle Eastern skirmishes developed, even if they ended up pootling around in Nato planes.

Skanks · 6th April 2011, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...ered-to-mueums

This made me wonder, does anyone still think NZ reducing its air-force capabilities was a bad idea?

Well, it's not really an Air Force anymore is it.

Saladin · 7th April 2011, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

Thanks MMP. Thanks.

Lolwat? Sharples is an electorate MP, as are all Maori party MPs. If anything, pork-barrel bribes to marginal electorates are a fixture of FPP systems, and one of the things MMP seeks to lessen the impact of.

cyc · 7th April 2011, 18:03

http://apnews.excite.com/article/201...D9MEEBRO2.html

USA! USA! USA!

cyc · 7th April 2011, 23:20

http://www.smh.com.au/national/stupi...407-1d4z3.html

So, there's a female cadet who was apparently filmed without her consent whilst having sex with another male cadet. The oh-so-sensitive armed forces of Australia decided to confront her with allegations of minor disciplinary offences at the same time as revealing to her that she might have been an unwitting pornstar. And that's not all: after this girl had the temerity to reveal to the media that she had been victimised by the allegedly unlawful filming, the nice blokes in charge of discipline at the army decided to make her plead to her disciplinary charges whilst she's still going through the ordeal. No, she's not being punished for speaking out. Really.

Now the Minister of Defence, in either an episode of genuine outrage or a well-timed PR stunt, has heavily criticised the army. So what does a bunch of likely ex-army hacks do? Pretend that there's something wrong with someone pointing out that mistreating alleged victims badly is a bad look: http://www.smh.com.au/national/stupi...407-1d4z3.html

Australia, a fucked up country that keeps on giving.

MrTTTT · 8th April 2011, 01:22

Nowhere is perfect dude

spigalau · 8th April 2011, 08:25

PSA got owned...

From - http://psa.org.nz/nicetohave.asp

6th April 2011, 21:03	#269
CCS Stunt Pants	mpx do you hate maoris? __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

6th April 2011, 22:16	#274
StN I have detailed files	When civilians took it upon themselves to chopper in supplies to quaketown, it was evident we were short of military pilots and craft to do the job. A strikeforce is one thing, but a presence and capability are another. That said, the failed F-16 deal would have had the potential to put more Kiwis in the firing line when the Middle Eastern skirmishes developed, even if they ended up pootling around in Nato planes. Last edited by StN : 6th April 2011 at 22:18.

7th April 2011, 18:03	#277
cyc Objection!	332K USD for being a dumb slut http://apnews.excite.com/article/201...D9MEEBRO2.html USA! USA! USA!

7th April 2011, 23:20	#278
cyc Objection!	Australia - the stupid redneck country that keeps on giving http://www.smh.com.au/national/stupi...407-1d4z3.html So, there's a female cadet who was apparently filmed without her consent whilst having sex with another male cadet. The oh-so-sensitive armed forces of Australia decided to confront her with allegations of minor disciplinary offences at the same time as revealing to her that she might have been an unwitting pornstar. And that's not all: after this girl had the temerity to reveal to the media that she had been victimised by the allegedly unlawful filming, the nice blokes in charge of discipline at the army decided to make her plead to her disciplinary charges whilst she's still going through the ordeal. No, she's not being punished for speaking out. Really. Now the Minister of Defence, in either an episode of genuine outrage or a well-timed PR stunt, has heavily criticised the army. So what does a bunch of likely ex-army hacks do? Pretend that there's something wrong with someone pointing out that mistreating alleged victims badly is a bad look: http://www.smh.com.au/national/stupi...407-1d4z3.html Australia, a fucked up country that keeps on giving. Last edited by cyc : 7th April 2011 at 23:21.

24th March 2011, 01:19	#241
doppelgänger of someone	NZ has dairy industry as well, dairy being commodities. Fonterra is 'best in the world' in the dairy sector. IMO the optimists are not incorrect in saying that the demands from Asia will keep the economy going. But the debt level in Aus/NZ is so high because of the high house price. If Asian economies catch a cold for whatever reason and cut their spendings, us downstream feeding on their scraps in boom time will be the first major victims (luxuries like overseas travel probably will be the first to go, commodities demand may be firmer). The economy may not be actually or perceived to be strong enough to service the debt piled up in boom time. Either way can trigger a downward spiral-of-death in Aus/NZ, like what happened in Ireland. Bill English made the right noise about NZ not saving enough in the last budget (i.e. taking on too much debt). Then he ruined his economics credibility by announced the tax cuts.

24th March 2011, 01:27	#242
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that it's possible to grow grass and cows in places other than New Zealand.

24th March 2011, 01:45	#243
doppelgänger of someone	NZ meat, dairy etc. has this 'aura' of clean, green superiority over others and hence fetches a premium overseas. Hey as long as others are willing to pay, the farmers are happy to sell. Food price in general has been rising rapidly in recent years anyway. Edit: e.g. the whole 'angus' beef certification arguably is just a marketing campaign to charge people a lot more for slightly better quality meat. Last edited by doppelgänger of someone : 24th March 2011 at 01:47.

24th March 2011, 09:12	#244
GRiM ReeFer	we could sell salt to China.

25th March 2011, 02:02	#245
Lightspeed	http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/politi...ll-becomes-law It'd be nice to know what the law actually entails, or is that my folly for relying solely on online media? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

1st April 2011, 15:50	#247
Lightspeed	"He said the trust had been working alongside Helen's family since her murder." More like the trust swooped in early. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

1st April 2011, 16:18	#248
ZoSo	http://www.3news.co.nz/Did-you-get-d...1/Default.aspx Holy shit. Drop the April and just make it fools day for the Greens (again).

4th April 2011, 18:58	#249
chubby	not looking good for pretty much all of nationals 'economic policy' smirk this week. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10716931 __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

4th April 2011, 20:48	#251
chubby	aw.. y'never know. john 'the peoples leader' may step in to give them a hand. that'd be good,right? or would it.8/ __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

5th April 2011, 21:30	#254
chubby	yeah douch. thats what i meant. __________________ "Take four red capsules, in ten minutes-take two more. Help is on the way."

6th April 2011, 12:49	#255
fixed_truth	$1.8 million for a giant plastic waka you say? Good investment or waste of tax-payer money? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...c-waka-slammed __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

6th April 2011, 14:32	#256
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	^^^ that's worthy of a facepalm right there

6th April 2011, 15:17	#258
Saladin Nothing to See Here!	Now I'm usually one to hate on the whole "but Labour did it too" defense that National trot out too much - but I'm not too sure how an inflatable waka pavilion is too different from a giant inflatable rugby ball pavilion, that Labour spent a million dollars on at the last world cup.

6th April 2011, 16:48	#262
cyc Objection!	Like making people smuggling a crime will make sod all difference.

6th April 2011, 20:23	#265
Golden Teapot Love, Actuary	I've no problem with the plastic canoe or its price. To me it seems like a fair enough thing to be doing. I'd hold the same view even if labour were doing it.

6th April 2011, 20:39	#266
Lightspeed	God damn, turns out we live in a world where culture has to be profitable. How terrible. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

6th April 2011, 20:51	#268
mpx .	We're cutting resources left right and centre, we're thinking of taxing you to help in rebuilding CHCH and then we SURPRISE TWO MILLION BOUNCY CASTLE WAKA.

6th April 2011, 21:13	#270
Redneck	Big money on a grand art project for a major event is fine - but a plastic waka does seem horribly tacky.

6th April 2011, 21:36	#271
madmaxii	I'm with Redneck on this one - tacky (as was the rugby ball). We're better than that. __________________ Carpe Diem

6th April 2011, 21:49	#272
Lightspeed	I'll hold my judgement till I see it. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

6th April 2011, 21:56	#273
Lightspeed	http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...ered-to-mueums This made me wonder, does anyone still think NZ reducing its air-force capabilities was a bad idea? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

8th April 2011, 08:25	#280
spigalau	PSA got owned... From - http://psa.org.nz/nicetohave.asp __________________ Spig.