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29th July 2008, 03:48 | #1 | |
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Sonny Bill Williams defects to union - cont.
Oh dear. I think rugby league gonna get raped.
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29th July 2008, 09:20 | #2 |
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Man, he made a seriously bad choice by changing manager. I think that is what started this downhill spiral.
And now I am starting to think he is a dick more and more (or he is so stupid, that he is just a puppet doing what the manager says). If he didn't like the salary cap, then he should of done something when his contract was up, not 8 months later. He may be a promising player, but I hope they do ban him from the NRL, and the IRB follow suit. GL at taking the salary cap to court. |
29th July 2008, 09:44 | #3 |
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Nasser Khoder is the slimy shit that is Mundine's manager too.
Ultimately, if the NRL believe that court case could severely impact their salary caps, I think you'll see them remove action against Sonny Bill. Sounds like Sonny Bill's told his manager to chuck 50k at a lawyer to find him a loophole and he's found one. |
29th July 2008, 09:59 | #4 | |
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Is this shit for real?
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29th July 2008, 11:28 | #5 |
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Sonny Bill is just looking out for himself, bad luck for the kiwis, good luck for the AB's.
Here's hoping NZ follows SA's footsteps and allows foreign based players to be selected for the AB's. |
29th July 2008, 11:36 | #6 |
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It has to be done eventually, we simply can't compete with the global market, as seen with football and even on a smaller scale, Rugby league.
Cricket is starting to see the same issues hit it. You've either got to allow guys to go overseas or see more Luke McCallister/Carl Hayman situations. |
29th July 2008, 11:51 | #7 |
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There was an article in the DomPost today that pretty well nailed the NRL/Bulldogs hypocrisy; they're content to axe contracts at will when it suits them and they've happily let players walk out on contracts before (see Jamie Lyons) and yet welcomed them back with open arms later.
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29th July 2008, 12:36 | #8 |
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Saw the same article (in the herald). Didn't like it.
2 of the examples were Great Britain teams. Where they have a clause of if the player is out for 26 weeks in a year, then they can axe the contract. In a way thats fair enough. The next example wass when they let a player go mid season. So what, they both agreed to cancel the contract. The Bulldogs may have even got some money for it. With SBW, the bulldogs obviously wanted to keep his talent. Its not like they were saying no, and then not selecting him. They then talk about how the Bulldogs don't let release the NZ players to play for Kiwis. (Nothing really to do with the story) The only valid point was the Lyons story, where he left after 2 years of a 4 year contract, and was welcomed back. I doubt its because he is a kiwi. |
29th July 2008, 12:37 | #9 |
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I don't agree with what he's done ( im gutted at the prospect of never seeing him play league again ) but i think the NRL & Gallop in particular are letting things get a bit personal. I can't understand how if the contracts that they have drawn up are so watertight then how did this happen ?
Very interesting read here http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news...097150218.html Last edited by pig : 29th July 2008 at 12:39. |
29th July 2008, 14:36 | #10 |
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This is the thing that rugby league has feared for years. At the moment, with the way player payments are structured, the entire NRL is basically breaking the law. It's a bunch of companies that theoretically compete with each other all getting together and doing a deal along the lines of "we'll keep our employees' salaries low so long as you agree to keep YOUR employees' salaries low, because overall that's best for all of our companies. Right? Deal." That's illegal, and described in those plain terms it's fucking dodgy. It doesn't matter if he has signed a contract if the behind-the-scenes deals that determined his employment terms were all illegal.
Now all of a sudden Sonny Bill appears to have an offer that gives him a good idea of his market value as a professional. Right now that seems to be around 1.5 million per year. And you have the Bulldogs going "Nononono, we Australian rugby league clubs got together and even though we are competition for each other we all agreed that none of us would pay you anything near that, and you signed a contract based on the agreement that we clubs made with each other about how much not to pay you, so come back, or we'll take you to court". And for the first time it seems that an employee in that situation - tied down to a dodgy contract based on illegal agreements between "competing" companies - is standing firm and saying "Fine, see you in court." And the NRL all of a sudden is shitting bricks. This actually going to court is the last thing it wants. IANAL, but I work in Australia and I've sat through my fair share of meetings with lawyers about employment contracts and my layman's understanding of Australian employment law leads me to believe that Sonny Bill will win. Which means that EVERY league player's employment contract becomes null and void. And every league player and every league player's agent will be looking at how much money Sonny Bill and Ryan Cross and Mark Gasnier and Lote Tuqiri and Timana Tahu have been offered to play union, and every one of them will start fielding offers. Every single league player. All off contract. All at once. Whee! |
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edit..... I will be back.
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29th July 2008, 15:33 | #15 |
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I Look forward to the impending court case.
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29th July 2008, 19:01 | #19 |
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That's the key phrase here. What you call "salary cap" I suspect the Australian courts will call "collusion between members of an illegal cartel". Companies that are in competition with each other can't do deals behind the scenes regarding each others' employees' salaries.
So, if Sonny Bill calls the NRL's bluff and goes to court, I suspect that the entire concept of a salary cap will be declared illegal. Which means every contract that was signed based on that illegal deal will get thrown out. Right now if I was the NZRU I'd be drafting up a contract with Sonny Bill allowing him whatever "sabbatical" he wants in France so long as he makes himself available for the All Blacks down the line. But I don't credit the NZRU with the foresight required to pay the phone bill on time, so who knows. But back to the subject at hand, if Sonny Bill successfully calls the NRL's bluff on this and gets a release, every other unhappy league player will walk. And if it goes to court and the salary cap is declared illegal, as it will be, every league player's contract gets thrown out whether they're happy or not. So by not backing down Sonny Bill has limited the NRLs options to a) fail, or b) epic fail. I for one am laughing. |
29th July 2008, 19:05 | #20 |
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Imagine if this was in the States - they could get prosecuted under the RICO statues. That would completely fuck any chance of a continuing <insert any code here>.
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29th July 2008, 23:35 | #21 |
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The whole of Australian sport works under salary cap. The NRL, AFL, ARU, and the A-League. If Sonny Bill wins, all of those codes will lose in a huge way. It will be open season on any professional contracted player in Australia.
I am not sure how cricket structure theirs, but I don't think they have a salary cap as such like the other codes do. Consider the difference in payments between professional players in Australia vs Britain and Europe, and there's a strong legal case there for unreasonable restraint of trade, based around the salary cap issue. I'd hate to say it, because it's a shit way to leave breaking a contract, but the NRL would do well to STFU and let him go. |
30th July 2008, 09:28 | #22 |
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The other thing however is that, in a way, they can pay him whatever they want. Its not a salary cap on an individual, its a salary cap on the amount of money the team can spend on their "employees".
I do see the point, and it will be very interesting to see what happens. |
30th July 2008, 12:47 | #23 |
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Wasn't the last time anything like this came up when they still had the player draft ? Terry Hill was was wanting to go to Wests or something but got drafted to Easts - iirc he challenged it in court under similiar reasoning
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30th July 2008, 12:58 | #24 |
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i hope they run that lowlife SBW into the dirt.
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30th July 2008, 13:42 | #27 | |
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Let's draw a different analogy: he's in a war and he runs away leaving his comrades for dead. If I was contracted for a project I'd certainly finish that off first, and would certainly tell my business/workmates that I'm gonna gap it. SBW didn't even finish out the season, didn't even tell his team mates he was leaving, just gapped out leaving them in the lurch. If the Bulldogs were 2nd on the table and not 2nd to last no way would he have done that. He deserted them. Disgraceful |
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30th July 2008, 13:55 | #28 |
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He made comments all throughout the year that he felt manipulated into signing the contract.
He made comments all throughout the year that he was no longer happy with the Bulldogs and wanted a release. And he made comments saying he felt it futile to try and negotiate with the club as everytime he tried, they gave him "Tough shit, you're locked in for five years" |
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1st August 2008, 10:47 | #30 |
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lol - gussy gould shooting from the hip.
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1st August 2008, 11:36 | #31 |
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Good to hear someone actually wanting to talk about the issues which have played a part in Sonny Bill bolting. I think the Bulldogs have shot themselves in the foot to a certain extent with how they have dealt with him & also with releasing Willie Mason last year.
I have my doubts about that manager tho - he just sounds like a dodgy prick. Also whoever let him get signed up to a 5 year contract without a get out clause is a bloody muppet. |
2nd August 2008, 14:45 | #32 |
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As herp hinted at, the only way Sonny Bill will ever play for the All Blacks is if the NZRFU allow overseas based players to play for New Zealand.
I can't ever see him playing Super 14 |
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2nd August 2008, 18:29 | #34 |
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I would quietly lol if he wasnt actually good at union.
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5th August 2008, 12:10 | #36 |
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1 year with another year option:
http://www.nrl.com.au/News/Latest/ta....aspx?id=52280 Bit of a shame, league wise. But here's hoping he carves up, get's in the Blacks and wins us the RWC back |
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6th August 2008, 14:20 | #38 |
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8th August 2008, 01:38 | #39 |
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what did people think of the footy show interview with SBW?
Seemed pretty angry thats for sure, and def a lot of blame getting slung about.
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Cant wait to see SBW in an All Black jersey.
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