National Thus Far - Page 94

Lightspeed · 11th September 2014, 13:05

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Originally Posted by spigalau

How do you know it's short term gain ? If they find substantial mineral deposits during their testing, it could be a long term gain for NZ, much like Australia with it's iron deposits.

I'm not certain, I'm just aware of the significant environmental impact of mining, and of National's apparent attitude of power over vulnerability. If some money can be made, it doesn't matter who gets screwed over as long as they can't do anything about it, can't make their voices heard.

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Originally Posted by Spink

Now now, spigalau, quiet down. You must know that all these progressive social policies Lightspeed advocates can pull money from thin air and don't need a solid economic backbone to accomplish.

NZ is rich. That's the long and short of it. If we aren't paying for social policies, it's because those who hold the cards value their personal gratification over an absence of social suffering. Unless there's what some undue burden on some rich folk, like some extra taxes, then it's all "woe woe woe".

They also lack insight to be aware that reduced social suffering is a net positive for everyone. Unless of course you are gratified by the suffering of others.

spigalau · 11th September 2014, 13:29

NZ is Rich... Yeah Right.

Let's just fire up the printing presses and print some more money.

I can just see Gnorman Grussels face right now on the kiwi million dollar note.

Lightspeed · 11th September 2014, 13:32

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Originally Posted by spigalau

NZ is Rich...

By pretty much every measure, yes.

People believing myths does explain National's current level of support.

Farmer Joe · 11th September 2014, 13:41

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Originally Posted by spigalau

NZ is Rich... Yeah Right.

Let's just fire up the printing presses and print some more money.

I can just see Gnorman Grussels face right now on the kiwi million dollar note.

Somewhat contradictory of you don't you think? Given that's what National have been doing for the last 6 years?

Golden Teapot · 11th September 2014, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Farmer Joe

Somewhat contradictory of you don't you think?

How so? I've not been paying attention much but I admit I thought National was borrowing money rather than printing it.

CCS · 13th September 2014, 14:17

John Key delayed by heavy fog

pxpx · 18th September 2014, 12:40

NZ DOING POORLY

GOVERNMENT CHANGE REQUIRED

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...RJun14qtr.aspx

Omegakai · 18th September 2014, 12:47

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Originally Posted by pxpx

NZ DOING POORLY

GOVERNMENT CHANGE REQUIRED

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...RJun14qtr.aspx

not sure if your serious or taking the piss.

CCS · 18th September 2014, 12:54

Omegakai hates GDP growth, hates economy.

Lightspeed · 18th September 2014, 12:56

CCS hates intelligent discourse, your mother.

Omegakai · 18th September 2014, 13:36

These increases were partly offset by a 3.1 percent decrease in primary industries

lets have primary industries shrink by 3.1 percent every quarter , seems like and amazing plan.
keep the team that's working or some such.

Ab · 18th September 2014, 13:50

If GDP increases by 3.5% every quarter who cares?

CCS · 18th September 2014, 13:54

Was just going to say the same. Agriculture, forestry, and mining shrinking isn't ideal but it's only part of the picture. Unless there's a consistent trend of those areas shrinking, what's the problem?

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GDP growth for the year ended June 2014 was 3.5 percent. This is the highest annual growth since the September 2007 quarter.

pxpx · 18th September 2014, 14:06

Lets put the greens in and see how that works for agriculture, mining and forestry.

Spink · 18th September 2014, 14:07

Of all the weird leftie things to point at, why isn't it "who was in power during 2007?" idgi weird lefites, up your game.

Delphinus · 18th September 2014, 14:31

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Originally Posted by pxpx

Lets put the greens in and see how that works for agriculture, mining and forestry.

Agriculture - Greens want to add value instead of just more cows moar cows! Good for Agriculture
Mining - Not like we want to be mining coal forever. No problem with stopping new coal mines being started.
Forestry - Are you seriously saying the Greens are anti-trees? There is lots we can do with forestry to improve exports. At the moment we are just shipping raw logs offshore. NZ the country of innovation can do better than that. Another tick for the Greens.

Omegakai · 18th September 2014, 14:31

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Originally Posted by Ab

If GDP increases by 3.5% every quarter who cares?

Cause GDP is services and products.
products give you are more stable and reliable in the long ruck.
services are not .

its good news yes, but keep the picture on the productive sector, manufacturing and exports.

not spending and imports.

Omegakai · 18th September 2014, 14:37

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Originally Posted by pxpx

Lets put the greens in and see how that works for agriculture, mining and forestry.

There is no evidence to suggest that the greens would do a worse job that National

Typical National voter "lets focus on the What ifs" vs "lets focus on facts"

I like you stratagem thou, detract from actual policy debates and instead focus on a party that's not in power , that's had no real chance to intact its own economic polices.
Man we should totally start doing this to Act right?

CCS · 18th September 2014, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

Agriculture - Greens want to add value instead of just more cows moar cows! Good for Agriculture
Mining - Not like we want to be mining coal forever. No problem with stopping new coal mines being started.
Forestry - Are you seriously saying the Greens are anti-trees? There is lots we can do with forestry to improve exports. At the moment we are just shipping raw logs offshore. NZ the country of innovation can do better than that. Another tick for the Greens.

And those are the reasons why Greens would fuck those areas of the economy.

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Originally Posted by Omegakai

Man we should totally start doing this to Act right?

Go right ahead. I don't think anybody would mind.

Lightspeed · 18th September 2014, 14:52

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Originally Posted by CCS

I don't think anybody would mind.

I'm not convinced.

pxpx · 18th September 2014, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Omegakai

Man we should totally start doing this to Act right?

Please do? They have some stupid policies. Good thing they're only going to get 1 (2 at a stretch) MPs in the house, meaning the more extreme policies (like shotguns in four squares..lol) are never going to see the light of day.

Omegakai · 18th September 2014, 15:32

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Originally Posted by CCS

And those are the reasons why Greens would fuck those areas of the economy.

Not sure what you base that on? fact ?

CCS · 18th September 2014, 15:44

Are you honestly trying to tell me that mining wouldn't shrink if the Greens had the power to do so?

Lightspeed · 18th September 2014, 15:50

Reducing mining does not equate to fucking the economy.

pxpx · 18th September 2014, 15:52

We're talking about the 3.1% decline in primary industries that Omegakai pointed out LS.. focus please. Mining is a primary industry.

Lightspeed · 18th September 2014, 15:58

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Originally Posted by pxpx

We're talking about the 3.1% decline in primary industries that Omegakai pointed out LS.. focus please. Mining is a primary industry.

Reducing mining does not equate to fucking the economy.

spigalau · 18th September 2014, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Reducing mining does not equate to fucking the economy.

Tui Billboard ?

Lightspeed · 18th September 2014, 16:24

I don't believe the only options are the status quo or catastrophe.

Omegakai · 18th September 2014, 16:29

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Originally Posted by CCS

Are you honestly trying to tell me that mining wouldn't shrink if the Greens had the power to do so?

again what are you basing that on?

Spink · 18th September 2014, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Omegakai

again what are you basing that on?

https://home.greens.org.nz/policy/energy-policy perhaps.

CCS · 18th September 2014, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Omegakai

again what are you basing that on?

Greens aren't exactly known for being pro-mining, are they? Or am I wrong about that? Are they secretly supporters of mining?

Delphinus · 19th September 2014, 10:35

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Originally Posted by CCS

Greens aren't exactly known for being pro-mining, are they? Or am I wrong about that? Are they secretly supporters of mining?

So you're saying mining is the one and only way to run the country for the rest of eternity? No productive alternatives exist? No innovation etc?

CCS · 19th September 2014, 10:44

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm saying that. It's like you're taking a single facet of one of my posts and exaggerating it to the far end of the spectrum.

chubby · 19th September 2014, 10:46

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Originally Posted by CCS

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm saying that. It's like you're taking a single facet of one of my posts and exaggerating it to the far end of the spectrum.

Spink · 19th September 2014, 10:59

Chief Comic Sans?!

CCS · 19th September 2014, 11:01

chubby is as chubby does.

Lightspeed · 19th September 2014, 11:05

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Originally Posted by CCS

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm saying that. It's like you're taking a single facet of one of my posts and exaggerating it to the far end of the spectrum.

Oh-ho-ho-ho.

fixed_truth · 19th September 2014, 12:16

Classic hits.

pxpx · 19th September 2014, 12:44

Singling out one point and then rebutting it is one of the best things about arguing on the internet. We all do it

I do it all the time, I learnt how to from Lightspeed!

Delphinus · 19th September 2014, 14:01

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Originally Posted by CCS

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm saying that. It's like you're taking a single facet of one of my posts and exaggerating it to the far end of the spectrum.

Because I responded with some detail about the 3 areas originally proposed. One of which was no new coal mines being opened. I agreed with this is what needs to happen. We need to keep the coal in the ground to avoid catastrophic climate change in the future.
http://pictorial-guide-to-energy.blo...n-bubbles.html

You replied:

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And those are the reasons why Greens would fuck those areas of the economy.

With no further detail.

Later you added:

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Greens aren't exactly known for being pro-mining, are they? Or am I wrong about that? Are they secretly supporters of mining?

So from that I concluded that you thought stopping new coal mines would "fuck the economy". Are you able to elaborate on that if I misunderstood?

13th September 2014, 14:17	#3726
CCS Stunt Pants	holy shit breaking news!!1 John Key delayed by heavy fog __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

18th September 2014, 12:54	#3729
CCS Stunt Pants	Omegakai hates GDP growth, hates economy. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

18th September 2014, 15:44	#3743
CCS Stunt Pants	Are you honestly trying to tell me that mining wouldn't shrink if the Greens had the power to do so? __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

19th September 2014, 10:44	#3753
CCS Stunt Pants	I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm saying that. It's like you're taking a single facet of one of my posts and exaggerating it to the far end of the spectrum. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

19th September 2014, 11:01	#3756
CCS Stunt Pants	chubby is as chubby does. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

11th September 2014, 13:29	#3722
spigalau	NZ is Rich... Yeah Right. Let's just fire up the printing presses and print some more money. I can just see Gnorman Grussels face right now on the kiwi million dollar note. __________________ Spig.

18th September 2014, 12:40	#3727
pxpx	NZ DOING POORLY GOVERNMENT CHANGE REQUIRED http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...RJun14qtr.aspx

18th September 2014, 12:56	#3730
Lightspeed	CCS hates intelligent discourse, your mother. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

18th September 2014, 13:36	#3731
Omegakai	These increases were partly offset by a 3.1 percent decrease in primary industries lets have primary industries shrink by 3.1 percent every quarter , seems like and amazing plan. keep the team that's working or some such. __________________ why is a raven like a writing desk? "Because the notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes"

18th September 2014, 13:50	#3732
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	If GDP increases by 3.5% every quarter who cares?

18th September 2014, 14:06	#3734
pxpx	Lets put the greens in and see how that works for agriculture, mining and forestry.

18th September 2014, 14:07	#3735
Spink	Of all the weird leftie things to point at, why isn't it "who was in power during 2007?" idgi weird lefites, up your game. __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

18th September 2014, 15:50	#3744
Lightspeed	Reducing mining does not equate to fucking the economy. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

18th September 2014, 15:52	#3745
pxpx	We're talking about the 3.1% decline in primary industries that Omegakai pointed out LS.. focus please. Mining is a primary industry.

18th September 2014, 16:24	#3748
Lightspeed	I don't believe the only options are the status quo or catastrophe. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

19th September 2014, 10:59	#3755
Spink	Chief Comic Sans?! __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

19th September 2014, 12:16	#3758
fixed_truth	Classic hits. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

19th September 2014, 12:44	#3759
pxpx	Singling out one point and then rebutting it is one of the best things about arguing on the internet. We all do it I do it all the time, I learnt how to from Lightspeed!